THE ASSOCIATED RC8 THREAD!
10-09-2007 | 11:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: foxy42
I find it entertaining how so many people are defending a buggy they don't own nor know anything about, in the face of experienced people with multiple racing buggies, telling them that it has the problems that it quite obviously does have.
Also, there are some other issues with your post here... one by one... Top of the line racing buggy? Out of the box, I don't think so. No product is perfect out of the box, even my beloved Xrays have their problems, but from what I've seen and heard, Xray and Mugen's quality is far ahead of AE's in 1/8th buggy terms, and so it should be, this is AEs FIRST attempt in this class, they have much to learn... Smashing into pipes, well, smash an Xray into a pipe and tell me if it breaks. 9 times out of ten it won't. THAT's the difference between a top racing car and an OFNA LX, so in actual fact, top racing machines ARE for smashing into pipes etc, where other cheaper models cannot get away with it. Top of the line racers... how many of those you think there are in the world? 1000? 10,000? ok, lets say there's 100,000. Are you saying that AE only wants to sell that many cars? When you call support do they ask 'Are you a top of the line racer? If not then you shouldn't have bought this car?'...
Aerospace engineers...hmmmm, yes the CF on the space shuttle and in planes was probably tested by aerospace engineers, but somehow I doubt AEs shock towers are. As for back to the drawing board on carbon not being suitable for shock towers...did it occur to you that that may well be the reason that all racing buggies come with CNC shock towers?
Bottom line though, I do see where you're coming from. I see people on both sides saying things without having the slightest experience, because they either want it to be good, or they want it to fail, depending on their agenda and stance toward AE.
Da Smak however, aside from his belligerence, is one of the most knowledgable and experienced users on this forum (1/8th buggies). I take his word as gospel on subjects like this, as he has owned many different buggies, raced them, modded them, thrashed them, even twin engined one or two of them. The guy knows what he's talking about, so don't put him in the box with the AE fanboys and the 'budget buggy noobs'.
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i think that it is entertaining that the croud that is down talking the RC8 are people that are moving up from GS Storms. The buggy is a top of the line race buggy. This thing is intended for the top of the line racer. not some jow shmo whos going to smash it into pipes and walls...of course its not going to hold up to that.
Carbon Fiber is EXTREMELY strong. it has been tested by aerospace engineers and is one of the strongest materials out there. for you or for anyone to say that carbon is to go back to the drawing board than you all honestly need to do some homework
i think that it is entertaining that the croud that is down talking the RC8 are people that are moving up from GS Storms. The buggy is a top of the line race buggy. This thing is intended for the top of the line racer. not some jow shmo whos going to smash it into pipes and walls...of course its not going to hold up to that.
Carbon Fiber is EXTREMELY strong. it has been tested by aerospace engineers and is one of the strongest materials out there. for you or for anyone to say that carbon is to go back to the drawing board than you all honestly need to do some homework
Also, there are some other issues with your post here... one by one... Top of the line racing buggy? Out of the box, I don't think so. No product is perfect out of the box, even my beloved Xrays have their problems, but from what I've seen and heard, Xray and Mugen's quality is far ahead of AE's in 1/8th buggy terms, and so it should be, this is AEs FIRST attempt in this class, they have much to learn... Smashing into pipes, well, smash an Xray into a pipe and tell me if it breaks. 9 times out of ten it won't. THAT's the difference between a top racing car and an OFNA LX, so in actual fact, top racing machines ARE for smashing into pipes etc, where other cheaper models cannot get away with it. Top of the line racers... how many of those you think there are in the world? 1000? 10,000? ok, lets say there's 100,000. Are you saying that AE only wants to sell that many cars? When you call support do they ask 'Are you a top of the line racer? If not then you shouldn't have bought this car?'...
Aerospace engineers...hmmmm, yes the CF on the space shuttle and in planes was probably tested by aerospace engineers, but somehow I doubt AEs shock towers are. As for back to the drawing board on carbon not being suitable for shock towers...did it occur to you that that may well be the reason that all racing buggies come with CNC shock towers?
Bottom line though, I do see where you're coming from. I see people on both sides saying things without having the slightest experience, because they either want it to be good, or they want it to fail, depending on their agenda and stance toward AE.
Da Smak however, aside from his belligerence, is one of the most knowledgable and experienced users on this forum (1/8th buggies). I take his word as gospel on subjects like this, as he has owned many different buggies, raced them, modded them, thrashed them, even twin engined one or two of them. The guy knows what he's talking about, so don't put him in the box with the AE fanboys and the 'budget buggy noobs'.
Thank You Foxy for your kind words and my beligerence is bourne of frustration towards these people that quote stuff from books as if it was gospel. I on the other hand treat any book as the authors opinion on the subject. A good example of this would be on nitro engine break-in and tuning, which one is best? Well in the authors opinion it will be theirs, or they wouldn't have bothered writing it.
Now for the CF, as for myself I have been ENGINEER in the AERO INDUSTRY for the last 16 years, 11 of those have been working with CF and other composite materials, I see this as kind of making me a little bit of a subject matter expert, so with this in mind I have always recommended that CF is not used for high impact areas due to its suseptability to impact damage. Another huge weakness of CF's of certain types is the matix which is used to bond the material layers together can be suseptable to fuel and oil breaking it down, at which point the material becomes sponge like and soaks up any moisture on the track or in the air. As for the space shuttle using CF, I have seen nothing in the specs from NASA that there is any on it, there is however a aluminium airframe covered in ceramic heatproof plates (which sometimes fall off during launch). Whether they use CF inside the shuttle for trim panels or suchlike is irrelevant as they are not stuctural.
But to end this, MY RC8 which I have had for 3 weeks has been laid up for 19 of those days awaiting spares and is yet to make it's first final, to my mind this buggy has been a disapointment compared to the hype with which it has been launched and these words come from a driver with over 15 top spec 1/8th buggies to hand (plus well over 30 other RCs).
BTW I don't own a GS Storm but when they came out the scene wasn't so big and the competition on the market was the Hyper 7 Pro, EB4 S2, MP7.5 K2 and the HN9.5, 3 of which I still have and still run occasionally.
10-09-2007 | 01:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: SManMTB
Kyosho will...... they never get hyped. LOL
Kyosho will...... they never get hyped. LOL
really ??? So they don't have multiple times world champion plastered all over the box then? I myself would class that as hype, especially when the chassis inside has won NONE.
10-09-2007 | 01:28 PM
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Hype indeed. It was the 7.5(& Kanai's) that won those championships was it not? Not near as many cars to choose from in those days either.
10-09-2007 | 01:30 PM
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What I meant was getting hyped on forums like this with people defending them for what ever they do without owning and racing the car (see the RC8 threads for example).
edit: Didn't the 777 win the worlds?
edit: Didn't the 777 win the worlds?
10-09-2007 | 01:31 PM
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Before you disagree, just remember that the team chassis will always be different to what you get in the box as NO 2 buggies will ever be setup the same.
10-09-2007 | 01:35 PM
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Sure, that's probably right. Just explaining what I meant by hype.
Plastering stickers is advertizing, having people say how great and unbeatable something is online is a different thing.
Plastering stickers is advertizing, having people say how great and unbeatable something is online is a different thing.
10-09-2007 | 01:45 PM
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RE: THE ASSOCIATED RC8 THREAD!
ORIGINAL: SManMTB
What I meant was getting hyped on forums like this with people defending them for what ever they do without owning and racing the car (see the RC8 threads for example).
edit: Didn't the 777 win the worlds?
What I meant was getting hyped on forums like this with people defending them for what ever they do without owning and racing the car (see the RC8 threads for example).
edit: Didn't the 777 win the worlds?
10-09-2007 | 03:52 PM
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Wouldn't that be the WC edition?
Wouldn't that be the WC edition?
10-14-2007 | 07:02 PM
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Hey, all who are having problems with the CF shock towers, Xtreme Carbon is manufacturing aluminum replacements for both front and rear towers (kinda ironic isn't it). Click the link and scroll down a bit.
[link=http://www.xtremercracing.com/RC8.cfm]RC8 Products Page[/link]
[link=http://www.xtremercracing.com/RC8.cfm]RC8 Products Page[/link]
10-14-2007 | 07:32 PM
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i havent heard to many complaints about shock towers breaking i race mine and have taken many tumbles with them and still havent broke. just be sure if you own an rc8 to use tire glue and run a bead of glue on the outside edge of the towers and all other carbon peices and they will probley never break. ive used carbon towers on my s3 for well over 2 years and they still havent broke.
10-16-2007 | 07:03 PM
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hey 911 what are the names of the engines you have in your pictures and how much were they?
i'm looking in to buying one in the future. i have around $300 saved up right know, i should have enough atleast for the car.
actually your how much did every one spend on theres?
being 13 yrs old it'll take a little while to get everything. oh well just tell me the stuff
i'm looking in to buying one in the future. i have around $300 saved up right know, i should have enough atleast for the car.
actually your how much did every one spend on theres?
being 13 yrs old it'll take a little while to get everything. oh well just tell me the stuff
10-22-2007 | 05:12 AM
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Just thought I add my opinion on the RC8. I do not own one, and I am a huge associated fan. Here in Phoenix Nitro Madness was run this last saturday and sunday. 3 7 minute qualifying heats on saturday and then a 45 minute main on Sunday. Expert buggy and sportsman buggy and truggy were the 3 classes that were run. Anyways, 2 guys ran thier RC8s for the first time this weekend. 1 in sportsman, and 1 in expert. Niether RC8 finished except for the RC8 that ran in the expert class. (He finished one qualifying heat on saturday.) Both cars seemed to be breaking a lot. One had a lot of front end problems (not exactly sure, didnt get a close look) and the other had problems with the rear diff case (broken) as well as some front end problems. I was really considering getting one myself, but after this weekend, I think I will be holding off until the updated version comes out. I will say though, that when they were running, they ran really well. Handle bumps and jumps with no problems! It looks like it can have a ton of potential, just needs some tweaking.
10-22-2007 | 12:15 PM
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The rc8 is a good buggy. These are some of the little upgrades that I have done to it, M2c racing captured hinge pin plates,M2c ackerman plate, king headz top plate. That is basically all you have to do to it. It responds very good to the adjustments, you can actually feel the difference. I changed the set up from stock to the set up ryan cavaleri runs and i got even more steering.Its a good car and so far I like it better than my 777. Later
10-22-2007 | 12:37 PM
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Mypoint in all this is that Associated put out a halfarsed buggy into the most competetive area of the hobby atm and they held it back blaming R&D, when quite obviously they had not done the D bit, this buggy isfailing it's owners more and more now and it's only when aftermarket parts are bought that it becomes reliable.
10-22-2007 | 01:27 PM
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Mine is fine with no mods at 1.5 gallons. And that's with truggies running over me all day at practice yesterday.
Da smak: We get it, you don't like it. Run your Hobao.
Da smak: We get it, you don't like it. Run your Hobao.
10-22-2007 | 03:15 PM
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Mine is still fine with three race weekends. No loose parts as well as broken ones. I did add a king headz steering plate and it's added stiffness reduced my turn in a tiny bit. I'm going to go to the set up sheets and try to get it back.
10-22-2007 | 04:00 PM
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I have a huge problem about the rc8 i want to get one but the kit doesn't come with all the electronics and engine right?
because its 500 for the "kit" and like 1k for a motor to come with on teamassociated.com
because its 500 for the "kit" and like 1k for a motor to come with on teamassociated.com
10-22-2007 | 04:17 PM
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Then you have a problem with all pro level kits. None come with engine and electronics.
+$1000 for a good setup is what it costs.
+$1000 for a good setup is what it costs.
