"and how am i shouting? im typing lol "

I just wanted to let you know that when you type in caps, it is like you are shouting. I learned that lesson a few weeks ago. We all understand that you were angry, but all you needed to say was that it makes you really mad. I also would not start a post shouting at everyone when you have only been a member for 2 days. I understand that you are new to the forums, so this time you are forgiven.

I am not really sure about the whole brushless, or brushed thing. But I am learning thru this thread. I too would like to see the difference, so if someone has both and can take some viedo. Then some of us who are still just getting into the hobby can see how they both perform. Maybe then opinions can made with straight facts. I owned a Emaxx that was brushed. But I really don't know any different then if it would have been brushless. I only owned one electric, before I went nitro.


Jennifer

lol i didn't mean to sound angry or efend anyone because I'm not that type of person. i was just wondering why the people say brushless is faster then any brushed motor out their when they never really had a fast brushed motor.cause they say they stuck a brushless system and this thing is wayyy faster then a brushed motor.lol is their any way i can change this thread to brushed vs. brushless?and yes i know why people go brushless becouse of zero maitanenc what so ever.and like i said befor i might get a brushless system my self so i can practic and not wory about my motor so much.thanks guys. how about we just ceep this thread based on brushed vs. brushless.whataya sayyy lol.

Why not? Think about this motor, in stock truck.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGDP6&P=RF
It says right there in the add "SS4300 Motor (27T racing Brush-motor equivalent)."
Do you think that a reliable company like that (btw they don't make brushed motors) would fudge the truth?
Then there is this.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=LOSA0096
Can you imagine a newby buying this and showing up at the track to run in novice class? And someone tells him "hey bud that runs in MOD truck".
I think this whole brushless industry could clean up its act a little bit. I would like to see someone market a brushless system that "truly" is on a level playing field with a 27 turn motor. Then maybe ROAR could entertainer the notion of a "stock" brushless system.
Thanks for the pulpit.
Ron

lol i think the brushless stock motors or brushless motors with stock settings is a bit faster then any 27t brushed motor.thats why they dont alow them.

i dont know for sure if thats motor is faster then a stock motor.........hey man thats just what i heard at the track.

if you have in your possesion any brushed motor that belongs to you is that not properly owning one, I cant really see the difference between owning, and properly owning one. You either own it or you dont..

another thing make a mini car or truck with a brushed setup go as fast as a brushless one also longer run times with stock brushless setups

IMO brushless is faster becasue you can run many more cells compared to a brushed.

not true...
brushed you could technically run an unlimited ammount of cells but it would burn up you commutator...

and a brushed motor of an 8 turn value and a brushless motor rated as an 8 turn value wil ALWAYSE go faster because it is what's called a floating magnet... nothing conacts the rotor but the bearings and pinion everything else is electronic/magnetics making brushless faster because there is NO RESISTANCE on the rotor shaft
I have owned both and brushless motors do don't you guys dare say I don't know what 'm talking abiot as I have also completely dismantled my 5800 that some kid decided to break

Roar and the other sanctioning bodies are slowly starting to allow brushless into racing, but it's a slow proceess and it will be.

If you're a newbie to this hobby you'd be silly not to go brushless.

Then there are the guys (like me) who have been in this hobby for a long time and have a lot of money invested in brushless motors. I have the brush cutter, the comm lathe a CS Dyno (not a POS motor checker.) But I just don't have the time to be screwing with brushed motors anymore. I'd rather spend my day on the track and not screwing with motors anymore....

I'm slowly going brushless. My electric bashers are the first to get brushless controllers/motors. I race stock and 19 turn in 1/10th and 1/12th and weare still running brushed. Novak has the 13,5 coming out which is supposed to be the exact same performance as a 27 turn motor, the 4300 is really more like a 19 turn. I'm hoping my LHS will allow us to run the new Novak motor and I'm really hoping they will allow LiPo.... I plan to pick up 2 8000mah LiPo's and I won't even have to take my chargers with me anymore.... Actually I will because of 12th scale....

The sooner we get away from the old brushed motor technology the better.

Brushless and li-pos will stop the flood of RC racers from going to gas to get more track time and longer races. We already run 20 minute electric 1/10th scale 2wd stadium truck mains called Pro Truck.

We race and just plug up to recharge for the next race without the battery leaving the truck using the same motor for over 1 1/2 years just changing the bearing around every 3 months. No comms to cut or clean. no magnets to zap, no batteries to discharge or zap, no trick batteries or trick motors.....just plug and play racing. I probably average 2 to 4 hours of run time each weekend on this same 1 1/2 year old motor with hardly no maintence that has the power to keep up with most mod brushed motors and even gas trucks on the straight away. We even race with the gas trucks sometimes due to alot of us perfer the longer 20 to 30 minute mains that we of course making stop and go pit stops for 5 seconds just like the gas trucks do!

Brushless and li-pos are the future and will make electric racing popular again!

No comm cutter to buy, no Turbo 35 to buy, no battery zapper to buy, no motor dyno to buy, no magnet zapper to buy, just plug and play for lots of track time and no maintence with no trick motors and batteries!!! Brushless and li-pos are the future!!!!

I agree, with one hesitaton. I don't think legal "stock" brushless motors will be ROAR legal anytime soon. I don't think the big three, Associated, Epic and Trinity are anxious to see brushless motors legal in stock classes. At the last race at our local track we had almost 50 entrees in stock classes. That is a lot of brushed motor sales that could be in jeopardy if brushless suddenly became legal.
And I believe the big three do have some (maybe too much) influence on ROAR decisions concerning legal motors.
But I have hope. I would be willing to throw out my collection (about 20) of 27 turn motors, and springs, and brushes, and comm lathe and a lot of other misc crap, for two or three of those 13.5 motors that vtl1180ny mentioned.
Ron

Brushless is not for bashing anymore, at the onroad worlds there are a few people who ran brushless in touring (maybe a couple in 1/12, not sure, not my style) even in the A-main

Novak has a motor coming out that is closer to stock, its a 13.5 turn motor

In my region of the country nitro had almost replaced electric and what few electrics were left were stock truck which has almost been replaced by Pro Truck with brushless motors and li-pos that have 20 minute mains.

The nationwide Electric RC Pro Series had a Brushless Truck class in it!

Where I race we do a lot of night racing. Many homes nearby so we can only run electric. We run the same track on Saturday afternoon with nitros. We are not a ROAR club, but still run ROAR rules. So until ROAR changes there rules about stock motors I am stuck with brushed. I suspect it will be a long time.
Ron

Non-ROAR tracks using ROAR Rules!

I could never support a track that has club races that uses ROAR rules as a guideline and turns away a racer from racing because of a battery or motor type!!!!!!!![:@]

Some of us forget this is a hobby and we are in it for the FUN of it!!! Nobody is making money from racing at a club level race that is suppose to be for FUN!!!

Lighten up and have FUN with this Great Hobby!!!

Well you got to have somekind of guide lines and class rules, and no, no one is ever turned away. But they will make anybody with ANY brusheless motor run in MOD truck. I don't want to run MOD truck. Those guys are good, and FAST.
My driving skills don't go beyond 27 turn.
usually our stock truck class will have 12 to 20 racers and the MOD trucks will have 4 or 5. It wouldn't be any fun to run dead last all the time in MOD truck. Just last week we had 14 racers in stock truck and I had a GOOD night, I got 4th.
I expect our local club will allow the new 13.5 brushless in stock classes. There has been some talk about it.
Ron
Ron

You can't soar like an Eagle when you fly with the Turkeys!

Brushless is mod truck or better yet, li-po up and race with the gas trucks for 20 minutes using an 8000 mah li-po battery!!! More FUN racing for 20 minutes than 5 minutes.

Stock Truck should be for beginners and novices. I am against Pros racing in Stock Truck class. There has to be a place for people to start without getting intimidated.

as a racer i dont see the point in racing for more than 10 mins.unless of course it was an endurance race.i know most tracks race about 5-6 mins and by the end everyone is pretty much at their own spot in the race and not bunched up in the same corner unless its a good even race.but other than that the racers will pretty much be in the same position after 10 mins.but if the future is brushless i would like to see more options on the brushless like the brushed motors have like springs tension, brush compounds and the sort.i know brushless dosent have that stuff but maby different little options.

As a racer who has ran 5 minute, 10 minute, 15 minute, 20 minute, 25 minute and even 30 minute Electric Pro Truck Mains. I perfer the 20 minute ones best that is plenty of time to let the cream rise to the top instead who is the luckiest on the 1st lap or that lapped truck takes the leader out in the 5 minute race where in the 20 minute race the best usually wins. Besides I like the extra track time in the 20 minute race and it has drawn back several of the gas guys back to electric with the plug and play low maintence aspect of brushless/li-po racing.

I have seen several 20 minute races decided on the last lap.

The future is here with Brushless and li-pos! Let's make Electric popular again!

ok yea good point.i guess it would be fun to race 20 mins.yea sometimes people do get lucky and win ive seen it a couple times.but wouldent that be hard on the motor unless they let you switch becouse im a onroad guy and never raced over 7 mins.

We use the Schulze/Plettenberg system with some even using the Novak GTB 6.5 or 5.5 system in our trucks that have no problem going at least 25 minutes non-stop using Thunder Power TP8000-2S4P 7.4 volt 8000 mah li-pos.

yea you run 25 mins with a brushed motor nonstop you got to cut it and replace the brushes and you probly ruend the magnets and need them zaped. i hate to say it but i am looking to get a fast brushless setup.what the fastest brushless motor on the market for 1/10 scale sadan racing by the way?

Sure you can turn faster laps with a well maintained and tuned brushed mod motor, but the longer races kicks that out and makes for more track time, equal motor systems, low maintence brushless systems and using 8000 mah li-pos ends the battery wars forever in the longer races.

Li-pos and brushless simplify the RC racing that may attract some new blood and bring back to electric from gas some old blood with longer races that are badly needed with electric racing to appeal to the masses!

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Well I was kind-of surprised to see this battery is only $175.00. Not bad, considering what it will replace in NiH batteries.
Seems like it would be good for my stock powered E-MAXX too.
Ron