What Flying wings does anyone here use during combat....


Zagi....WingWarrior.....Combat Wings

Slope combat, YEAH BABY!!!

I have a Boomerang that I bought from a buddy.


http://home.earthlink.net/~windrider007/boomerang.html Works good in light lift. I have a Zagi 3c that I fly when manhole covers will.

I've got several of Combat Wings XE2's and I love them all.
They are stable, fast, and can turn on a dime........... leaving 9 cents change.
My son and I have bashed them up and crashed them up and it seems we just can't tear them up.
We have also had very good luck in dealing with the company. Especially [email protected].
I'll answer any of your questions if I can.

Hey Natch.. I just purchased an XE2 from Weston. My question is this.. How easy is it to learn on? It has the Speed 400. If I set up the throws to Low rate, and not go nuts with the throttle, is it possible to learn on? I have Realflight 3.5 and have spent a lot of time flying the Slinger.. with no problems and the wind and gust cranked up a bit. They seem so indestructable. I have a large fields across the street. I'm trying to get a few friends involved and start some combat.

Hey back at ya.
I can't see why not to train with the XE2. These things are nearly industructable and you say you've put in some time on the sim. You may want to get someone to throw it for ya the first few times, so you can have both thumbs on the sticks from the start.
I have an XE2 with a Mega Motor 16/15/3 spinning a 6 x 4 APC prop and it hauls. My son put a Hacker A20-6XL on his with the same prop, and both using lipoly batteries. We have a time chasing each other around.
Huge fun.
When I get time to work on it, I'm building a new one and I've made a big vertical stab and rudder for it just to see what that does for it. I'm also wanting to add some LED lights for some night flying. We'll see how it comes out.
Happy landings.

Natch,
I got my XE2 all set up and have already flown it twice.. both times second throw got it airborne, had not trouble flying it for the full duration of the battery. Getting a little over 10minutes flight times.. can do rolls etc.. have noticed its a little under powered with the speed 400 and Nimah. I want to upgrade it to brushless. Is it possible to do it in steps? i.e. can I just drop in the Mega Motor and just run on Nimah with standard 25Amp ESC? Of do I really need to go all the way and get new ESC and Motor and Lipo's?
What ESC should I get? I heard I should go all the way and get a PhX -45 just so I had the room to get wild with the Lipo's and really crank it up. Also if I get to that point do I need to add more spars? Any info would help.. Having a great time flying it.. just need better weather as we just got hammered with 3 ft of snow and 25mph winds..

MS Composit: SWIFT

it is EPP and indestructible..

Takes a licking and keeps on ticking

SFPAKULS,

Speed controls are either brushed or brushless. Brushless motors are 3-phase AC motors, and there are 3 wires between the motor and controller. Brushed motors are DC motors have have the familiar 2 wires. I'm not aware of any speed controls that can do both, but one might be out there. So, if you want to go to a brushed motor, you need to do the speed control at the same time.

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Thanks.. thats what I thought.. but can I still run it on a 1800mah NiMH ?? or is the disharge rate required for Brushless just too high? Maybe even if I sacrifice run time?
The cost goes up when you factor in Lipo's and charger.. etc.. but if thats the price for performance.. then so be it..

You can use Nimh cells with a brushless, no problem. I've run some brushless motors from Nimh cells, as have a number of people around here.

Brushless motors don't necessarily draw more current than brushed motors. They are more efficient, and you can generally put more current through a brushless motor with out causing damage than with a brushed motor of the same size (since in a brushed motor the brushes burn out first, while in a brushless, you have to get hot enough to damage the magnets or melt wires). In fact, if you use the same battery and prop, a brushless motor with the same KV will often draw less current than the brushed motor when turning the prop at the same RPM.

However, I don't know if that particular pack will work with any particular motor and prop. You'll want to check to see what kind of current you're pulling with the brushless motor, and what the voltage under load drops to. (watt meter-type devices are great for messing with electrics). I suspect that most brushless motors in the speed-400 range will be fine with 1800nimh cells, but a lot does depend on the particular motor and prop.

At this point you can probably get a lot more info and in greater detail about your planed setup by looking through the electric forums. You might be able to find someone with the same setup you're looking at and get some more specific answers.

Sounds like Montague is giving you some sound advice.
I'll tell ya what I did. I got in touch with Hacker USA and simply asked them what they had to help me out. They suggested the, then new, A20-6XL with the X30 ESC, so that's what I went with, simply because I love their motors and they have always been very helpful. The A20-6XL was actually designed for helicopters, but turned out to be the perfect match for the XE2.
I put a 6 x 4 APC prop on this setup and pushed it with a Maxamp 2100 mah Li-poly battery which made it do even more than I expected. This motor will mount right to your XE2 motor mount with no mods and comes with prop adaptor and all mounting hardware. The Mega motor I'm running on one of my other wings turns out to be a bit much. When I really pour it to her, the wing is over powered and goes into what I call a waffle, or flutter, and that's with all four spars installed. It really hauls butt, but the last time it fluttered, I lost a batterie over a bean field and never found it, of course.
If you're going to wind your wing up with new stuff, I'd for sure use all four spars installed and lose those 5x5 props that come with it. The 6x4 APCs will run circles around those 'spoon' type props.
Also if you want the 'best' balancing charger, I found one that is pricey at FMA Direct, but like I said, it's the best there is to my knowledge and it's got to be THE easiest charger on the market to operate.
Hope this helps ya.
Let us know what you end up doing and how it works out for ya, please.

Got a few more flights in this weekend.. really getting the hang of it.. Flew upside down for one pass.. loops, rolls, nice low flybys.. only issue is the snow is 3-4ft deep and a pain to walk thru... SO I scored a Castle Creations PHX-45 on ebay.. so now I'm still trying to decide on the motor. I am leaning toward the Mega 16/15/3. Just run it off NiMH for starters. If I go easy on the Throttle will I flutter without extra spars? Can I add extra spars to an already completed wing (XE2)? How do you do it and where do you place them? Also I am hearing 5X5 carbon props or 6x4 APC? Any opinions?

Hey you're really going to be surprised how much that Mega 16/15/3 is going to put out for ya. Don't forget you'll need to pick up a prop adapter and some 3 mm screws.
As for the prop, I ran the 5 x 5, a 6 x 5.5, and a 6 x 4. APC doesn't seem to make a 6 x 5 or I'd try one of those. Anyway, the 6 x 5.5 APC was too much for the X30 Hacker esc and it would kick off when overworked, so I put my son's X40 esc with the same prop motor combo and then the lipo started heating, so I must be close to the full load my system can handle. I know that everytime we put any of the APC props up against the 5 x 5 carbon spoons, it was no contest.
I'm not sure how many spars you have installed, but yes, if you run the brushless, you will need them all and yes, you can install them after the build is complete. If you were going to go easy on the throttle, why not just go with less motor?

Natch, Thanks for the input. My only comment on going easy on the throttle was so I could fly with the Mega motor while waiting for the extra spars to show up..
So I got the Package... MEGA 16/15/3 , PHX-45 ESC, 5x5 Carbon spoons, running off 8 Cell 1800mah NiMH for now.. Will order a couple of APC's and see how they go.
Also bought a second battery and Three Spars to put in. So far I uninstalled the standard brushed motor and ESC, soldered up the Mega and ESC just to see if I hooked it up correct. Works great.. Now I have to get the extra spars in and finsih installing the Mega and ESC.. Can't wait to try it.. It seems to really put out a lot more power (on the bench at least). Thanks for everyone's input.. Hopefully if I get out of work on time I can squeeze a flight in tonight before it gets dark.

OK... got it flying on the MEGA 16/15/3! Awsome.. much more power. Think I will order an APC 6x4 to try. It really has a lot more power. Still need to install the extra spars, but was itching to see how it would fly (and weather is moving in). Will install the spars while it snows. What do I need to worry about as I try different props etc.. Hot battery? Short Flight times etc??

He he. That Mega really rocks, huh?
Here's where I got my APC props.... http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=2209
I never tried one of their 5x5, but I bet it will out perform the spoon type. I'm running a 6x4 on an X30 Hacker ESC and have moved up to a Maxamps 3000 mah Li-po. Everything is still perfectly balanced and wo, does it haul. The extra weight of the heavier battery didn't seem to effect anything. I glued in all spars on this one and am getting NO flutter, so can really go all out with it. I'm getting no heating and lots of performance out of this set up. Just give your electronics a feel for temp when you set her down and you'll have a good idea if anything is being 'taxed' or not.
I really love flying these things, so I'm trying something new with another XE2 wing. I've adding a huge rudder, made oversized ailerons, and moved the motor to the front. I used a Hacker A20-20L motor, turning an 11x4.7 APC, with an X20 ESC and a 1500 mah Maxamps battery to keep everything as light as possible. It will be interesting to see what kind of moves I can make her do. Like you, we are getting our fair share of winter here, so even though I'm 'grounded' I'm having fun designing and building.
It should be a different kind of aerobat and can't wait to get it in the air.
I'll post a photo of my newest creation.
Happy Landings.

Natch,
Post the pics or your "creation". I'd be interested to see how it flys. Thanks for the tip on nesail. They are 10 minutes away. So i'm going over after work to pick up some APC props to try. Snow is holding off so should be able to get a flight in before it gets dark. Then spend time on the weekend getting the spars in etc.[image

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OK... Finally got it all worked out.. Combat Wing XE2.. added the three (3) additional CF spars, upgraded to MEGA 16/15/3, using the APC 6X5.5 right now.. will check the current with a watt meter soon, but so far temps seem ok.. but boy does it rock.. I would say at least double the performance over the stock speed 400 set up.
Now I'm out looking to switch to LIPO for some more boost. I picked up a bunch of APC props 6X5.5, 6X4, and a 5X5 from nesail (they are right down the road). SO I can play around a bit.. but so far what I'm using seems very fast. No flutter .. but only had 1 flight so far.. wing is awsome ripping by on a low pass.. down right dangerous now.. thanks for all you advise and help..

On another note I joined the local club and bought a used Hobbico Nexstar.. now just need the snow to melt and the field to dry out.. in the meantime the wing will go whenever the weather cooperates...