I've been practicing for several months on G2 with the Extra freestyle 3D download and when I started hovering my foamie it was very similar. Everything I have learned on the sim I can transfer to the real world. Mostly TR's and rolling circles that I do on the computer I can go out and do with the foamie and also the profile Sledge. The main differance I have found is how I set up the real planes as control throws, rates etc. make a hugh differance in how it will do various manuevers. I have yet to try AFP but based on what everyone says it is a better 3D sim. Going out and trying to TR 3 mistakes high is almost a waste of time since untill you get down low you can't see it well enough to make the right inputs. Now if I could get up the guts to try it with my 1/4 scale gasser.

AFP is more realistic and better all around for 3D I've heard. 3D graphics on AFP too instead of 2D, I think.

3D-kid330

3D-kid why are your perpetuating rumors, A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin spread by word of mouth. I really want the first hand experience not what you have heard.[:@]

Because Foxx, people will listen. Next he can go over and give advice on setting up a Comp 2.6 and some gullible person will listen as well. Just ask Shortman his opinion on stuff he has never owned.

Basin-- Some guys have done alot of research and do have valuable knowledge from reading, listening and watching.

Foxx-- I can comment, I have both AFP and Real flight. They BOTH HAVE some strong points. I do believe that AFP has an edge in the 3-D realm on planes. You can make a plane in RF to come close but not as close to AFP.
Now AFP uses the older technology to connect to your computer(no usb,firewire), so I feel RF has the compatibility with more newer computers via contoller connections.
They both will give your fingers and brain training needed to try manuvers without trashing your flyer. Either works well but again the AFP has the edge in 3-D.

RTK,
Then you go and take advice from someone regurgitating things they have read and become an online expert in a few weeks time. Me, I'd rather converse with people who have had hands on experiance when I'm looking for answers to questions that can potentially cost hundreds of dollars.

Basin I probably should not have even replied being the topic was "hovering on RF G-2"> You seemed to have lost that also. Don't take everyting so personally. IT WAS NOT A RIP ON YOU, lighten-up. By the way I have 30+ yrs in this hobby, it is not all that hard to separate the wheat from the chaff when reading posts.

RTK,
No problem, I don't take anything here personally. I agree about the wheat and chaff but there are a lot of folks with much less experiance than you who take this stuff as the gospel, if it's in writing it must be true.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

RTK,

I don't have AFP simulator, but I have seen few promotional demos and I just can believe a real plane can do all that. Hovering on RF G2 is very hard but I think it is a realistic and even harder than the real planes so I chalk it up to a good training.

Foxx I am new at this 3-D stuff so I don't have much stick time on the 35-40%ers. In either sim I can make the plane fly like a brick or feather. The AFP seems to be better (more realistic) in stalled manuevers. I can setup a plane to almost hover itself, then again there are some I can not even come close.
I have seen a few people do some of the most amazing things with a 35%er, real mccoy. I have been asking for someone that knows how to setup or get a copy of a plane that is as close a possible to a 35-40% range. That way I might be able to practice more realistically. I have been putting 12 hours days at work lately, and that doesn't leave much fly time. So before I pile up my 2.6 extra I really need some close comparison stick time.

ON Afp if you use the stock extra 300 or 330 I forget which its done in that goo scheme. I was actually modled after one of the 2 3D piolits that helped get AFP to be as realistic as the real thing. They said that if you fly that 30 % extrta straight from the program that it is almost identical to the real thing. And that came from a pro in the 3D world. He said its as close to mine as you'll get with out actually flying at the field. Hope this helps

I loaded the Extra 330, and exited out of the RF, but then when I went back in, thinking that I would have to exit it to make the Extra be in the aircraft section.....but when I opened it back up.....it came up that the Extra failed to register....What do I have to do now....??

Oh yeah......I could have just edited...but....anyways....

I have looked on the swap page, and I see the people that have hovered and torque rolled just ordinary planes that are on it.....but I just dont' know how they are doing it....??....

I mean....I set up the planes (mostly the Cap 232, haven't got to the Bipe) with just about every modification.....but I can't do anything......How do you get more engines.....I saw one that had the Cap 232 hovering with a OS 160, but when I look, there are no 160s in the engine edit thing......

So, what are you doing.......I saw that one person set the control surface at 100% chord....I did that but nothing happened.........I guess I don't have enough power or something...I put the Super Tigre 4500 (which I think from what I'm seeing is the largest engine) in the Cap and I am still trying to hover and stuff.....but I keep falling out......I just don't know what I'm doing wrong and not doing right....

So, can anyone help me out here....??

THANKS ALOT.......

I download cap 232 3D from swap page, it has special engine (edited SUPRETIGRE 4500) that works well with this plane. Overall engine is not the problem, fly the plane close to the ground straight and level, slow down then pull up until plane almost comes to stop, then give it full throttle, now the fun begins. I learned hovering on giant Aeromaster first before tackling the Cap.

Not to brag...but I have fixed the problem....and I got the 3D version of that Cap on the swap page.......and I'm just hovering like I've been doing it for a while.....i wish that I knew how to get the recordings on the swap page so I could put it there (where else would I put it if I wanted to load it there??!!)


I figured out that you have to have the add-ons for the Extra and stuff that had the little add on symbol......I have d/l so many things from that, that I can for just the G2 regular CD...and no add-ons....I love hovering......

I'll say my $.10!! ()....

Well, I have to say that I can hover that Double sized Cap 232......but if you look at the engine, it is a Super Tigre 4500 (it might be another one: the one on page 3)....but if you look at the engine....you will see that you have a 4500 that only weights 1.4 lbs. (well on the one I d/l anyways)......but if you have any other engine on there....and use it stock, then you can hover.....for some reason, you can't use the stock because they are too heavy or something.....

Well, in realy life......you can make a Super Tigre 4500 or larger engine for the plane weigh only 1.4 lbs. That, you just are not able to do.....

So, is there a plane that you can use a STOCK engine w/o the modifications like lowering the weight, where it WILL hover just like in real life.....

If what you are asking is, can I take a stock CAP 232 that hovers in real life and find the matching plane in RF G2 and make it hover, the answer is probably a "not real well if you set them up the same".[]

Be happy with what you have, it's the closest you'll come in G2 to the real thing for now.

And I don't want you to think that just because you can hover in G2 that you will in real life, they're not the same but it does give you practice keeping the plane in the right position and that will help.

Oh yeah.....I know that they aren't the same in real life and all..........Actually I'm about to sell my RF (unless I can return it) and get me the AeroFly Pro....I saw some video on their website....and I was mesmorized....I have to have that one.....and I dont' want to keep the G2...


I was saying that, in G2, the Cap, the stock one that is....even with upped up control surfaces, you can't hover with it.....But, when you have the other one that you can hover on right now........it's not the same...or not what you could do in real life.................really the only thing that is not right is to hover, you have to make the engine really light.........but in real life.....you can't do that........

Trying to relate whatever is setup on G2 and real life is a waste of time. You have to cheat the physics on real flight to get it close to reality and even them it won't be perfect.

I use the Extra 3D freestyle off the swao page and and I learned to hover and do rolling circles . When I fly my electric foamy I can now do the same things because I have practiced so much on G2. I stepped up to a 40 sized 3D profile and I still have some set-up issues to iron out buty I can see I will be able to hover just about anything now. I tried it high up with a Dave Patrick Ultimate and no problem except that I don't have the huevos yet to bring it down low.

Moral of the story, it is a great learning tool and don't worry about making it match up to real life. You can't expect to figure out the perfect engine/ plane combo to go out and buy but you can learn a lot without crashing.

IF you are trying to 3D anything on G2 in hopes that it will be similar to anything out on the real flight line FORGET IT. Nothing even comes close even the heavily modofied planes on G2. The physics of real flight just dont allow it. A big factor is that the program no matter how modified the plane is doesnt recognize prop wash, which as any 3D piliot knows is a big factor in all aspects of 3d flying. If you doubt that try to torque roll any plane even the mod ones and then deflect the alerions oposite the torque roll the plane does nothing unless it is actually moving then it will start to counter rotate. Now AFP is a totally different story. That program is a 3D workhorse. If you got used to hovering on g2 and expect to apply what you had learned to AFP forget it. Its like learning to hover all over again, for me anyway. Well thats my 2 cents hope it sheds some light.

Well, I again have to agree on that, and say that is just ONE MORE REASON WHY I LIKE AFP and want to get it. I was wondering how when I went the opposite way of the roll and nothign happened......plus, those ailersons on the CAP are SMALL!!

Yea I have had it for most of the winter season and I can honestly say it has worked miracles for my 3D maneuvers out on the field. The modification capabilities are outstanding everything from adjusting how much prop wash you want to apply across the wings vert an horiz stab to totally creating your own plane with 3d rendering software like auto cad or something like that. Can you say no more need for ad ons...... one more reason to love AFP.

You make it sound like AFP is only marginally better than G2 at 3D. If that is the case then AFP must suck at 3D, because G2 even at is best is not good at all. The downloaded planes are so unrealistic, they should only be used for the "fun factor" and not for learning. Even though it is unrealistic, g2 is good at training your reactions to tail changes while hovering a plane, but that is where the training ends. I have not been able to perform any 3D maneuvers in G2 that didn't seem fake.

I am contemplating buying AFP and was doing some research when I came across this thread, I though I'd drop my opinion on G2.

However, I think G2 simulates Helis much better than it does airplanes fyi.

ptarp- RF is better in helis (from my limited ability), but AFP is "I'll say it" much better at 3d. I would have no hesitation tell someone to buy AFP over RF.
I have extensively played (modified) with RF's planes and came up with a few that 3'd fairly well. That being said, stock AFP is better period. They are both good tools to train someone to fly.

Now my gripes-AFP does not have usb or firewire "only"compatability, you must always plug in the serial port adapter. When I first received it I was really p'd off. I did not read the system requirements. The computer I wanted to us it on only had usb and firewire. Now that I have it on an older computer everything is hunkydory. I still have some problems with coping models and getting the colors and modifications to stick but I found away around that.

All in All I would have to recommend AFP. Now my son likes all those different planes that are on RF, he's 8 so what does he know, war birds are his passion now.

I well agree the userfriendlyness if thats a word of AFP is cumbersome. It lacks technology from the 21st century. I am sure they at AFP will correct that shortly. However the flight characteristics are unmatched IMO to anyother sim available. If youlike video games buy RF..