How do you do a pirouetting loop, what are the stick movements, any pointers?

pointers- try it very high in the air.

Boy that should help LOL

This will really help too:

YOU hold the rudder stick one way while moving the pitch. Then you move the other stick all kind of ways, but mostly up and down.

HOW'S THAT???? Do you get it now???

Kirk

This is where subscribing to heli magazines comes in handy. Model Heli World( the english mag) has been running a series of articles on advanced(for me) 3D maneuvers. Each article covers one maneuver. the piro.. flips were covered last year I think. Russ deaken(sp?) writes the articles with excellent graphics and in the case of the piro. flips gives diagrams of the stick movements involved. I believe that he called the stick movement "stirring the pudding" for the piro flips. I am too lazy right now( today was leg day at the gym) to get up and find the particular month/year. But I'll find it tomorrow.
Back issues are available at a very good price.
www.traplet.com ( I think)
Vince D

I subscribe to that mag but I don't remember that article , I will look though. I an do a piro flip and just wanted to know how to incorporate the loop. I know the idea behind it I was just looking for some pointers. Thanks

I'd put the copter in the trunk, then go to Hooters and have a beer and burger. You'll find the best "pointers" there.......

I guess no one here can do them

Paul,
I know Pete Panos and Scott Morgan have "G2" files for your sim on how the do the maneuver. Also, I'd think Todd Bennett should take a minute to email you back on the subject, too.
Pete

Got a web address for them?

Here is a video found and a web site for 3-D maneuvers

http://www.gravityshots.com/flash/piroloop.swf

http://members.dodo.net.au/wilsonj/millennium3d/

I don't even know what you guys talking about.. are these same as Sideway loops (just curious..) . Hey Paul .. was it the one you were trying last time with fury..? ( that scary flip flop maneuver...)

Sort of ( I think that was a piro flip)... I did a partial piro loop yesterday, it's gonna take some practice. I did shoot a couple good inverted autos , i'm going to try to add a piro to it.

Would love to check it out (though I am million miles from it ) that Flash Video was cool on Piro loop ..anything like that on Sideways loop or other 3D s..?

I am sort of new to 3D, but how do you do a sideways loop? I can do a forward loop and a backward loop but haven't tried sideway loop. Anyone got any pointers to help with it?

David

Very funny from your profile I think you know how to do it..
but here goes

1st you need to be able to fly sideways and 90 deg to the flight path. Next as with a normal loop enter level and (depending on direction) move the ail to left or right and apply collective as the heli reaches inverted move col to a neg +/- 3 deg as you follow over the back side start to add collective til you end up level .

Pointers , don't apply large movement to ail ,you may need to correct the pitch through out the loop.

Thanks that sounds simple enough. But I never use 0 collective on the forward or backwards loop. Why do you have to use it on the sideways loop as it goes over the top?

David

Wouldn't a sideways loop be called a ROLL? or more accurately a barrel roll.

No, a roll is about center of the helicopters axis a sideways loop is about center of the maneuver. I does look like a "roll" but it's a loop only sideways. Yes the model is rolling in a sense but not axially.

I know how to do all of the loops and stuff, and rolls and stuff, but how do you keep the helicopter still in a hover?

Paul Soha

It sounds as though both Paul's are pretty good flyer's. Could we hear in a bit more detail from both you guy's technique for sideways loops.
Pete

OK all kidding aside. To do any travelling maneuver you use collective. Start sideways, add some rolling cyclic and lots of collective. Hold negative through the top, and come back to half stick to finish the bottom. Those are the major movements. In mine, there are another 5 or 6 stick corrections made in the maneuver.

Giving this explanation also sounds like" to hover in one spot, you simply hold the stick in one spot." This is why you get some funny responsed to a seemingly simple question. Burn fuel. It will come

Good luck,
Paul Soha

I am lost again

Let me find some Newbies..

A picture (video) is worth a thousands words I will post a vid soon.

A picture is worth a "thousand" words, but I think we all know what the maneuver should look like. So, just as you had asked for pointers on the Piro loop, knowing stick inputs are more important than a video, a detailed explanation would help everyone much more. In other words, I don't see how a picture would offer what stick inputs are needed, and at what point they should be applied.
Pete