Low flyover
12-13-2010, 08:12 AM
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RE: Low flyover
Actually...
The pilots are all up on charges (pending investigation)...the CO is probably going to lose his job and the formation was substandard at best.
3 of the pilots were Field Graders...so they are really gonna get burned more than likely. Retired life here it comes...
They had the timing down though...
B
The pilots are all up on charges (pending investigation)...the CO is probably going to lose his job and the formation was substandard at best.
3 of the pilots were Field Graders...so they are really gonna get burned more than likely. Retired life here it comes...
They had the timing down though...
B
12-13-2010, 09:50 AM
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RE: Low flyover
I think that guy was keel hauled after he landed...
Beave
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Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
12-13-2010, 09:52 AM
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RE: Low flyover
But, apparently these guys didn't...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBM8kGao_ao&feature=PlayList&p=8F731240931CEF72&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38[/youtube]
[link=http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/03/navy_pilots_punished_031910w/]http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/03/navy_pilots_punished_031910w/[/link]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBM8kGao_ao&feature=PlayList&p=8F731240931CEF72&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38[/youtube]
[link=http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/03/navy_pilots_punished_031910w/]http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/03/navy_pilots_punished_031910w/[/link]
12-13-2010, 09:55 AM
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RE: Low flyover
ORIGINAL: bevar
Actually...
The pilots are all up on charges (pending investigation)...the CO is probably going to lose his job and the formation was substandard at best.
3 of the pilots were Field Graders...so they are really gonna get burned more than likely. Retired life here it comes...
They had the timing down though...
B
Actually...
The pilots are all up on charges (pending investigation)...the CO is probably going to lose his job and the formation was substandard at best.
3 of the pilots were Field Graders...so they are really gonna get burned more than likely. Retired life here it comes...
They had the timing down though...
B
12-13-2010, 10:03 AM
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RE: Low flyover
The pilots of these F-18's were permanately grounded for their stunt. Just missed the building just past the stadium. My son was on the field with the marching band, plays trombone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvlX2Fb0kZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOND1KRmCjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnpA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvlX2Fb0kZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOND1KRmCjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnpA...eature=related
12-13-2010, 10:13 AM
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Not sure what it is about crowds and common sense when it comes to fly-bys.....makes ordinarily intelligent and professional pilots do crazy stuff. Not saying I've done it myself, but there was this one time in Vietnam when the friendlies requested a flyby and.........well, a few of the troops felt compelled to hit the dirt.
At least that was back before the days when everybody had a video camera or phone to record what you did............not that there were any min altitudes or anything over there, short of busting your butt.
At least that was back before the days when everybody had a video camera or phone to record what you did............not that there were any min altitudes or anything over there, short of busting your butt.
Who wants to see a flyby at a 1000' feet anyways?
12-13-2010, 10:18 AM
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RE: Low flyover
ORIGINAL: rhklenke
Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
12-13-2010, 10:22 AM
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RE: Low flyover
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
12-13-2010, 10:24 AM
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RE: Low flyover
There are some old videos of the Thunderbirds flying so low over the crowd that the ones that did not hit the deck were knocked off of their feet.
Of course...that was also when parents gave kids shotguns and pocket knives as presents for Christmas (which is OK by me).
Beave
Of course...that was also when parents gave kids shotguns and pocket knives as presents for Christmas (which is OK by me).
Beave
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Not sure what it is about crowds and common sense when it comes to fly-bys.....makes ordinarily intelligent and professional pilots do crazy stuff. Not saying I've done it myself, but there was this one time in Vietnam when the friendlies requested a flyby and.........well, a few of the troops felt compelled to hit the dirt.
At least that was back before the days when everybody had a video camera or phone to record what you did............not that there were any min altitudes or anything over there, short of busting your butt.
Not sure what it is about crowds and common sense when it comes to fly-bys.....makes ordinarily intelligent and professional pilots do crazy stuff. Not saying I've done it myself, but there was this one time in Vietnam when the friendlies requested a flyby and.........well, a few of the troops felt compelled to hit the dirt.
At least that was back before the days when everybody had a video camera or phone to record what you did............not that there were any min altitudes or anything over there, short of busting your butt.
12-13-2010, 11:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: FalconWings
Ahh. never mind, read backwards..........thought it was NAVY at TCU here in Ft Worth..........Buck's ex-airsapce.
ORIGINAL: rhklenke
Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
Now one would assume that anyone doing this over the stadium at Navy would have every ''i'' dotted and ''t'' crossed on all the required permissions, wouldn't one?
Bob
Bob
12-13-2010, 11:33 AM
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RE: Low flyover
ORIGINAL: RBardin
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
V..
12-13-2010, 11:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: RBardin
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
12-13-2010, 12:26 PM
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RE: Low flyover
Yep, lots of them on the tube and always 2 polar view points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_KrNNebzU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfDs...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kgusd1rN6E&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKGA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgusX...1&feature=fvwp
Rob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_KrNNebzU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfDs...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kgusd1rN6E&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKGA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgusX...1&feature=fvwp
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12-13-2010, 12:29 PM
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RE: Low flyover
ORIGINAL: RUFTER
I think you need to look at the Ramstein-crash footage again as a reminder of what can go wrong when highly experienced pilots fly low and close to thousands of spectators.
ORIGINAL: RBardin
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
I agree. We need way more retired FAA workers than crack pilots. Seems like every time someone demonstrates incredible skills or makes a great accomplishment, here come the success police...I want to know our forces have got skills, and don't think they should be hanged career-wise for demonstrating them. Isn't that what they've been trained to do?!
RBardin - a flypast is no test of a mil jet jocks skill - it's a walk in the park. There's a reason why they are hauled over the coals - their egos are getting in the way of professionalism, and the guys chewing them out were young bucks once too. Rules in military aviation come in because someone did something stupid once and died (or killed someone else) - then the rule is put in place to prevent the same stupid mistake. The Ramstein accident is a perfect example - display flying rules were tightened up immensely after this, taking into account all the what if's and particularly where the jet will end up if something goes wrong at the worst possible moment. The guys in these videos are seriously misguided at best! Their 'skills' should be saved for operational flying and not showing off to the public!
12-13-2010, 12:44 PM
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Vincent, Rufter, Pat
C'mon, really? When was the last Staduim flyover crash? You guys for banning everything that has some elment of danger? I don't think technology would be where it is today if we banned everything that had risks. Airshows have been associated with risk both for the participants and spectators since inception - its a part of the draw. Attend or don't.
I will concede that a football game is not an airshow, and that many of the attendees had no knowlege that they would be treated to a flyover. But they're usually shouting wildly with enthusiasm after it occurs. I'm usually looking skyward trying to figure out where they'll come over by "O'er the land of the free..."
The mission of a fly over is to show off. If it bothers you guys so much, stay home and play with your dollies.
C'mon, really? When was the last Staduim flyover crash? You guys for banning everything that has some elment of danger? I don't think technology would be where it is today if we banned everything that had risks. Airshows have been associated with risk both for the participants and spectators since inception - its a part of the draw. Attend or don't.
I will concede that a football game is not an airshow, and that many of the attendees had no knowlege that they would be treated to a flyover. But they're usually shouting wildly with enthusiasm after it occurs. I'm usually looking skyward trying to figure out where they'll come over by "O'er the land of the free..."
The mission of a fly over is to show off. If it bothers you guys so much, stay home and play with your dollies.
12-13-2010, 02:08 PM
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RE: Low flyover
Clever or Stupid............. Interesting question. One thing I know the Red Arrows can knock spots off anything the US can put in the air. Oh and with less than half the power under their seat
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Dennis
Look out now I have said it
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12-13-2010, 02:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
One thing I know the Red Arrows can knock spots off anything the US can put in the air. Oh and with less than half the power under their seat
Look out now I have said it
One thing I know the Red Arrows can knock spots off anything the US can put in the air. Oh and with less than half the power under their seat
Look out now I have said it
Oh oh [:-]
