You have owned turbines for ONLY FOUR months, and you think
that because you have in this hobby 25 years you know a lot?????
Well let me tell you that after over 10 years I'm still learning from
others. BUT, I don't care who the seller is, when I buy a used turbine
as I had, I sent it immmediately to be inspected, so to get assurance
that if anything goes wrong, IT'S not the turbine. That most probably
it was my HAND.


E.N.T.

right now, i have no problem with my FEJ Rafale, its the favorite in my hanger

HI all, I agree with David Searles and Birdseed2, on all accounts.
My experiance, concludes, the damage caused was from a Hot start, maybe straight propane, to cause that damage.
One hot start will useually destroy the Turbine pipe, be it FEJ's or a Tam's pipe.
Here is a pic of a Tam"s pipe after a hot start from a customer.
And here is another pipe from one hot start , which the propane and fuel lines where reversed.
Rcpete
PS, Tam's makes the best pipes

George:

Telling people not to trust sellers of used aircraft a 100% as the morale of your story is like telling someone that they should have their newly acquired used car inspected. Its common sense. From my point of view we all have lapses of judgement and we all learn sooner or later that our eagerness to get our newly acquired aircraft up in the air does not mix well with laziness or lack of experience.

I would argue that at some point or another everyone in this forum has lost an aircraft due to pilot and judgement error. The difference is that at the $1k range it doesn't hurt as much as the $5K range. We all understand your need to vent. But threats and finger pointing will only cause you to resent the hobby and the hobbyists. You need to accept that you took a risk in order to save money and the gamble didn't pay off due to lack of proper inspection and prior knowledge. IT IS PART of the Hobby. It wasn't be the first time you lost a plane and it won't be the last.

In the meantime just enjoy your tropical weather, waves and great flying weather and accept your mistake.
And keep enjoying the hobby.

Life is short.. go fly.

How bout changing that trash can into a shipping box and sending it my was, ill even pay shipping. Lol

People, look at the add that SHAZ sucked me into believing and sold me the crap that did not last one flight. Please read carefully. N.B. The aircraft had a serious fuel leak when i got it and the turbine WAS FAULTY as on the first flight the turbine spat out its blades and the airplane went down. I don't care how many good ratings he has, he STOLE my hard earned money and ran. Read Below

(Folks, this is one of those no brainers. TWO F18's for the price of one. Both are identical Skymaster planes. One is Ready To Fly and Turn key, with Jet Central Rhino and in excellent condition, and pro-built by Jerry Farmer. The other is Brand New in Box and is the plane itself, not landing gear, tanks or hardware.

The RTF is painted in limited edition Grey Navy scheme and has scale documentation to go with it. Ready To Fly F18 is loaded with Hitec and JR Digital servos, all gear doors, retracts, pneumatics and cylinders installed perfectly, sequenced perfectly, run perfectly, and do NOT leak. Turbine mounted, and plumbed perfectly.She comes COMPLETE with scale Ordnance to include both Sidewinder AIM-9 missiles, and Bullpup missiles, along with mounting rails and Fuel Drop tanks. Everything fits perfectly and when bolted on is as solid as the wing itself. Literally this plane needs to be fueled and flown. She has approximately 50 flights on her and is absolutely menacing and gorgeous in the air. )


So, why must i accept what SHAZ is trying to flush down to me????? i really DON'T care what any of his friends say on this forumagainst me. WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG.

It would be wise and responsible to take corrective action if damage to any jet occurs via a wet start. If such is the case then aircraft should not be flown. I have gone out to the field and had problems less severe and scratched my flight, gone home and corrected the problem. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We need to protect our hobby and as Bob Violet has stated before, " The safe operation of turbine powered model aircraft requires a higher level of experience in building, installation of equipment and flying than other types of R/C models. To enjoy our freedom, we must be ever vigilant, act responsibly, and demonstrate that we can govern ourselves. The AMA needs our help in this regard, so let us all know the AMA Safety Code and Turbine Waiver regulations and abide by them.
We have enjoyed our sport for many years with an excellent safety record.

...................nevermind. Not my business.

IslandHobbies,

A few questions:


1) If you are truely turbine experienced and knowledgeable about turbines, wouldn't it be your responsibility to check any turbine you got to verify it before you flew it?


2) If you are NOT experienced nor knowledgable about turbines, then how are we to believe your diagnosis of the problem with the turbine and how are we to believe anything you say about what went wrong?


3) Have you sent anything in to be checked by the manufacturer?


J.P.

islandhobbies.

Youve reasserted your claim in your post above that the turbine was faulty.

Weve all seen your pics of the failure, but how exactly was it faulty before you flew it?

(A light bulb will work fine until the moment it blows. Are you saying a lightbulb is faulty if it fails the next time you turn it on)

well, if i did all i supposed to do
1. correct fuel, correct oil, correct mixture.
2. took advice from the seller whom i thouht had proper experience and he told me the turbine was perfect, go fly.

what else is their? besides taking the turbine out before flight and sending to the manufacturer? which he (the seller)said was not needed.


3. on the first flight, the turbine spat out red hot blades, shut down and with no recovery time, the craft went down.

Assuming it was faulty, how do you know that the seller knew anything about it?

Unfortunately that is a risk you take when buying second hand. In the UK, the seller is under no obligation to do anything about it unless you can prove that he purposely misled you (e.g. if you found a manufacturer's inspection note in the box mentioning that it needed some work and the seller told you it was perfect). If you want a guarantee then you need to buy new, or from a business that offers a guarantee. Even so, I would guess that the guarantee might only cover the repairs to the turbine.

Unfortunately, with the information presented here, you cannot place the blame anywhere; it is just one of those unfortunate things.

I would like to know why does'nt the moderator closes this crap????????????

This is going into personal attacks, even though as everybody can read post # 56,
he is admitting his fault.


E.N.T.

That engine is interesting. I cannot think of a scenario that would cause that damage if the ECU behaves as it should. The ECU should have shutdown that engine long before it got to that condition. Something seriously went wrong inside that engine. I would like to see pictures of the combustor, fuel ring etc. I am pretty sure its not lube related. Did the compressor rub the front intake?
Regardless of what happened or not it seems to me the buyer got the short end of the stick. The Seller is just is too defensive....

Without taking sides, here is my problem. Regardless of who sold the engine, it is a used engine. Anything can happen. Here is my example.
Roughly 10 years ago, I was flying RAM turbines. I had purchased a turbine that had JUST come back from servicing. It had a complete inspection, it had new bearings put in, balanced, etc. It was essentially given a 100% checkup and was like a new engine.
On the very first run, while spooling up the engine, the turbine wheel came apart which caused catastrophic failure of the engine.... While I was gutted, not once did I feel that the failure of the engine was the fault of the person I purchased the engine from. I didn't expect reparation, I didn't expect anything. I ended up selling the engine for the few parts that were still good and moved on to another brand. I didn't blame the seller nor did I blame the company who did the servicing as they have had a stellar track record. I just accepted that the engine runs at very high RPM's and anything can happen. It did put me out of turbines for a year as I could not afford to just simply "move on", but move on I did anyway.
Every time I fire up a turbine, I do so with the expectation that it will operate correctly, but with the knowledge that anything can happen at anytime. If I'm unwilling to take that risk, I best simply leave them at home.

Wow, after taking a beating on your other thread you pulled this one up from the mud.... I think you like the abuse

Hi,

I signed off of the other thread, so I'm not going to go back in and reply to any of the comments there. I want to say thanks again to all of the guys who spoke up in that thread. Many of you surprised me as we haven't exactly been 'friends', yet you set aside the differences we've had over politics, etc., and addressed the point of whether or not I'm going to deliberately cheat someone.

Funny, but over the years, I've had a few problems with reputable dealers and one of the things I learned is that a guy who sells stuff all week for years and years is going to have a few unhappy customers. It's absolutely unavoidable. In my case, I've had orders slip through the cracks and have been late getting people their product. I've also been guilty of not getting emails or calls returned on time when I've been underground (with my shows) or abroad. Like those merchants I've had problems with, each snag stands out but the 49 other smooth transactions behind it do not. Either way, these kinds of things are in a different realm than lying to someone or stealing from someone (which is what you call it when someone switches your new equipment with old or broken equipment). This really puts a lot of things in perspective.

When I do decide to rip someone off, you can rest assured that it won't be for the price of an engine repair. It won't be for the price of an engine or ten engines. When I go, I'm going to go big. I'm going for the million dollar score. Or I'm going to drive up to OC and kick in Big D's door and tie him up and take all of his high-end jets. Just for bragging rights, I'll do that one unarmed, too!

I'm not going to get back into that debate with that guy or wrestle around in that mud with him, but any of you who have questions may email, call or otherwise contact me offline and I'll happily answer any questions you have.

Thanks very much to the guys I've met, talked to, dealt with, flown with, argued with, prayed with and played with over the years. You guys really made my day yesterday when I read the thread from backstage at the Joan Kroc Theatre where I was waiting for the intermission to end and Act II of "Big River" to start. You guys are the best!

lol, I like the name change, truth hurts, guess a guy doesn't want to associate his business name on here with somebody getting torn apart......

He can change his name but his psychopathy remains the same. He can't hide from that.

George why all of the sudden did you make a name change from “islandhobbies” to “truthhurts” and then end your other thread?

For someone who never lies, why try to attempt to hide your identity?

For someone who never lies, why try to attempt to hide your location?

Did you just now wake up and figure out that the game is over and you could hide under a different screen name?

Bet you didn’t count on your screen name change being carried over to all previous posts…

What doesn’t change is all of the quotes that have been made with your original screen name.

It appears now that the only impartial party in this amazing rant has now rendered a different non supporting opinion.

Guess its time to shut this thread down...

As others have posted it seems that isolation is your friend

At this point, whatever he calls himself now (truth...island...etc) has reached troll status. As many before me have stated, this is a very close knit community, most guys know most of the other guys. I don't think this is a elitist thing at all. Its just a fact that most guys fly and party with all the other guys and contrary to popular "outsider" belief, its not hard to be a "member". All we require is that you come, fly (optional actually), lend a hand (tool, part, moral support, gong, whatever) hang out, have a great time and be cool to everyone else. I am very proud to be a part of this community and hope that I contribute more than I receive....

Lets put this troll behind us and move on with the business of awesome.

Hi

I'm glad the other thread got shut down. Thought I didn't appreciate the accusation, the endless change-of-theory to suit evolving discussion got to the point where I actually started feeling sorry for him. There's something kind of sad and pathetic when even in the face of irrefutable evidence, people just stick to the story. Once the switched engine theory was debunked, I had hoped be would regroup and maybe start considering possibilities closer to home, but then it went to me wrecking it in my F-15 (an incident that happened subsequent to me shipping off his hornet). When that didn't pan out, I surely thought this would stop. When it didn't, I genuinely started feeling embarrassed FOR him. The whole thing is so undignified. I hope it dissolves now and everyone learns something. I know I sure did.

Wow! As a friend of mine quoted before..."You took the words right out of my brain"....

+1

Shaz

Didnt know you could change name without making a new acount?