Hey, anyone has a replacement tailpipe for the flyeagle 1/9 Rafale? mine failed only after the 7th flight. Burned a hole straight thru, almost lost the entire aircraft, that original tailpipe is CRAP, and lets not start on the crapy landing gear that bends just by taxi'ing.
Anyway, need a replacement tailpipe asap, new, used, original or otherwise.
regards, george

If the original is crap, why replace it with crap? Just call tam and order a real pipe....

mine failed ,lost the model emailed flyeagle and told them never even got a reply.............

Hmmm....weird George, you sure you didn't have a wet/hot start that might have made the pipe glow orange a couple of flights before it failed? You positive? Hmmm.....odd.

This would coincidentally be the second of two airplanes that had a heat/failure with pipe or turbine for you in the same week.

Weird.

But I am sure if you had a bad wet/hot start you would have mentioned that in your original post above instead of just omitting that fact and blaming the manufacturer and pipe correct?

Because you agree it is important to be honest right?

Right.

Shaz

wow, here goes your jerky thoughts, have you ever won a case by actually doing a good job? or only by decieving? you are soo full of yourself shaz. THE AIRCRAFT YOU SOLD ME FOR $4,800.00 HAD A FAULTY TURBINE AND YOU KNOW IT AND SO ALMOST THE ENTIRE TURBINE COMMUNITY. THE TURBINE BEARING FAILED BECAUSE OFLACK OF MAINTANENCE,CAUSING THE SHAFT TO WOBBLE AND THE BLADES TO HIT, SHATTER,SPIT OUT, SHUTDOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY, CRASH.

BYE THE WAY, ASK ANYONE ABOUT THAT ORIGINAL PIPE THAT COMES WITH THE FLYEAGLE RAFALE,THEY WILL ALL SAY ITS CRAP. HOWEVER, I NEVER COMPLAINT TO THE GUY I BOUGHT IT FROM ON RCU BECAUSE ITS BRAND NEW AND HE IS A GENUINE MAN AND ITS A GREAT AIRPLANE AT A GREAT BUY.BUT, I GUESS THAT BECAUSE I GAVE YOU A BAD RATING BECAUSE OF THE C..R..A..P YOU SOLD ME, YOU ARE TRYING TO TARNISH MY NAME, WON'T WORK SIR.

AND BYE THE WAY AGAIN, LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I CALLED YOU SHAZ WHEN I SAW THE TURBINE CONE GLOWING RED VERY QUICKLY AND TOLD YOU THAT I DON'T WANT TO FLY IF SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE TURBINE AND YOU CONFIDENTLY RESPONDED A FEW TIMES THAT THE GLOW I AM SEEING IS NORMAL AND NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE TURBINE AND THAT I AM JUST PARANOID. YOU GAVE ME THE GO-AHEAD

George,

Since you thought there was something possibly wrong with the turbine, the smart move would have been to send the turbine in for service PRIOR to flying it. Then if the mfg determined that there was, in fact, a problem, you would #1: have cause to ask the seller to cover the cost of repair & #2: have saved the loss of your $4,800 jet.

Once you made the decision to fly that jet, with questions in mind, you completely absolved the seller of any responsibility for the outcome. The Pilot in Command is ultimately responsible for making sure the jet he is about to fly is structurally and mechanically safe to fly.

David S

How do you know the turbine bearing failed from lack of maintenance? Last i looked, their was no regular scheduled maintenance, except due to crash damage or at whatever run time the manufacturer recommended for overhaul.

So if the ecu time read lower than what the manufacturer recommended ffor overhaul, and you didnt buy a crashed turbine, then i would say that the rear bearing failure was just unfortunate, and lack of piloting abilities caused the crash (ive seen the video, i saw nothing that would of caused the airplane to be unrecoverable after the flameout), or user error causing a hot start, or user error not putting oil in could of been the culprate. there is no gaurantee with "used" purchases once the new owner commits to making changes to or flying the model. Once you get to that point, it is all on you. Their are even cases of brand new turbines not lasting a flight, with the operating conditions are turbines operate in (rpm levels,temps,g loads) it is impossible to know if a turbine is ready to let go or not on a hobbyist level since we do not have access to xray eqquipment to check for cracks in the turbines or ngv's

Hi David,
you are correct, i guess i put to much trust into the seller and got screwed for believiing what he said. You know David, what really pisses me off is that when i called the seller after the crash, he immediately started defending himself, i never spoke about money, he started defending himself, firts saying he purchased that jet from another person and making every excuse in the book to take responsibility away from him...
regards, george

Im a bit confused, islandhobbies is suggesting that lack of maintenance caused the bearings to fail, and that the seller knew this was imminent.
Thats a serious accusation and one I hope he can substantiate!

1) What "maintanance" as recommended by the turbine manufacturer did the seller fail to have carried out?
2) At what time interval was the maintenance due?
3) How overdue was the work?
4) Even if the work was overdue, has the manufacturer confirmed that the lack of maintenance WAS the cause of this failure.
5) What signs or symptoms would the seller have been aware of that a failure was imminent?

I dont know either of the two posters, but Id genuinely like to know, so that we can all protect ourselves from unsubstantiated claims and purchasing engines that are about to fail.

hereis a pic of the turbine

even if the seller did not know, you would think that after selling something to someonethat turns out to be faulty, the seller would at least accept SOME responsibility......

Lets see some pics of the front end of the engine..... How many hours logged in the ECU?

Send it in to Jet Central and we'll all know what happened. Dennis

if you have seen the video that i have ONLYSENT to Shaz, then you must personally know him. hmmm. anyway buddy, there was no way to recover the airplane. i have been flying for 25 years and i think i have the knowledge to know what to do and i am telling you i had no height to recover at all.
regards, george

Birdseed, good question. Here is what the turbine manufacturer responded with when George above sent them photos and descriptions. The manufacturer CC'ed me on the email:

"George:

This type of failure is known to us. The cause is no turbine oil in the fuel, use of turbine oil which is not approved and or clogged oil distribution lines to the bearings due to contamination of the oil/fuel being used. Also, some synthetics are known to clog the oil lines to the bearing."

However our friend George has not forwarded this email to anybody here on RCU. Strange.

Nor has he come forward and addressed my question above where I ask is it or is it not true that he told a reputable dealer in the industry that he had SUCH a hotstart on his turbine in the Rafale, that the thrust pipe (that failed days later) was glowing red hot. And then the pipe fails. Hmmm.... and then its the pipe's fault. And then the turbine I sent him in another jet failed. And thats also the turbine's fault and my fault. Hmmm...

Weird.

or maybe George, you should be putting oil in your kero and not riding the propane can on your starts...considering you didnt own a turbine in your life until a month ago and now you are an expert at what to do with them since you didnt even know turbine cones glow orange at night....

good grief.

Shaz

He posted it in another thread.. and i do not know him at all.

its amazing that the manufacturer cc'd you my email but the manufacturer did not even respond to myemail.

George,

I absolutely do not believe that Shaz would have sold you the turbine if he had ANY idea there was a problem!

The simple facts are these:
1 You bought the jet & turbine
2 You inspected the jet & turbine
3 you decided to fly the jet & turbine
4 You crashed the jet & turbine

This is your responsibility. Time to stop blaming Shaz and move on. You"re not doing your reputation,among the jet community,any good by continuing with this tirade.

guys, i guess the lesson here is. DO NOT TRUST ANY SELLER 100%, especially for used items. I will tell you something though, if YOU purchased a vehicle from someone that advertised it, the seller says that its in perfect condition and runs great. I decide to take his word for it, purchase the said vehicle and the first night, i take my wife to dinner in that vehicle and on the way, the engine explodes. bet your bottom dollar that the next day, you are headed straight back to to seller to deal with it. But to your surprise, the seller turns his back on you and starts the blaming game. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? WHAT WOULD YOU DO.
Trying to get to the bottom of this problem would not in no way tarnish my rep on rcu but it should shed some light .

If you are so worried about the jets you "fly", why don't you buy New and have no problems. Oh wait, who would you blame then?

You have no rep on RCU George, you are building one right now.

Shaz

Let's see pics of the front of the engine?!!?

i also do not believe that he knew about but it happened and i at least think he should at least accept some sought of responsibility. Let it be know that upto this point, I NEVER ASK SHAZ FOR ANY REFUND, THAT WAS ALL HIS WORK, HMMM
AND NOW I AM DONE WITH THIS MATTER, JUST WANTED BUYERS TO BEWARE. FROM THE TONE OF SHAZ AFTER THE CRASH, I KNEW I HAS A DOWN HILL BATTLE.

Hey Todd, will send those pics soon. I also need a pipe for another Skymaster F18 which is being built right now. I am using a single kingtech 170
regards, george