LOL. Now you "do not believe that he knew". Well, I appreciate you acknowledging my honesty after you spent 2 days trying to tell everyone I was being dishonest. Now how about your honesty? Did you or did you not have hotstart with your FEJ Rafale pipe, and did you or did you not put the CORRECT OIL with the CORRECT MIXTURES into the CORRECT FUEL for both the Rafale and the F18? Or are we to believe both turbines are faulty?

Your allegations have been irresponsible George. Your threats Juvenile. Your turbine knowledge base non-existent. Had you taken the time to receive data, send the engine into the manufacturer and bring me LOGICAL and non-emotional analysis you would have been much better received. Instead you call me moments after stalling and crashing your jet while emotionally ranting about it all being my fault.

Forgotten in all of this is that you could have saved the plane by not stalling it and all we would be discussing offline would be who is paying to replace a $250 set of hot-started rear bearings...

Maybe next time it will be handled differently and you will get the results you wanted...

Shaz

turbine pics

i had no hot start, STOP trying to be foolish man, it shines. I use Aeroshell Turbine oil, i use 1 qaurt to 5 gallons or kerosene. The turbine on the rafale is a BRANDNEW Kingtech K80turbine, which works perfect EVERYTIME. The Rafale came with a Brand new ram500 but i thought that it would be a little underpowered to take off from the grass that we fly off of.
AGAIN, I HAD NO HOT START WITH THAT F18 HOWEVER IT SEEMS YOU KEEP TRYING TO CHANGE THE CORE TOPIC.

Someone please educate me on this one. The failed turbine in question appears to be a rather large JC turbine? If so, I do not own one but they don't require 1qt of oil per 5 gallons "stated above" of kero or do they?

Hi,
Just thought i would let everyone know on this thread that i have one of the first flyeagle jet rafale that came into the uk some three years ago and is the one that was reviewd by RCJI which was originally powered by a P60 and is know powered by a Kingtech 80.
It has had about 50 flights with the p60 and about 90 with the kingtech 80.I am still using the original pipe which has know had 140 flights and my retracts have never let me down and are still in perfect order even after a rather abrupt short landing in long grass when i missed judged the runway and landed short.This ripped out the front retract plates and cracked the main ones.I made up replacements and the plane is back in the air again.
With a bifurated pipe i do keep a regular check on it .

David wilde

the fej rafale is a sweet jet, i love flying it. However, the front landing gear bends even while taxing. (grass) and all i can say is that just before the 7th flight, exhaust was leaking thruthe y joint and cooked the rear. I saved it in time and repaired it. I now fly it with a tamjets pipe and it works sweet. It's not a jet for the faint at heart, it keeps you on your toe's
how does your kingtech run? its nice right?

Why did you use it if you felt like the original pipes are "crap"?

With the p60 in it was a bit underpowered but since i have put the kingtech K80 it is the perfect match for this plane and its performance is awesome and the bifuriated pipe makes it sound really good.You certainly do not need much aileron movement on this plane.I think it is a fairly easy to fly plane and a peach to land especially if you have a little head wind you can almost land it on a sixpence piece or dollar .A small compact plane that can fit in the back of my estate car in one piece.As mine is the early model it only has a 1.9 litre fuel tank but i get longer flights with the kingtech than i ever did with a P60.I can fly for 6 minutes then think about landing and can have 71/2 minutes on my timer .The later version now have even bigger tanks i understand.I have changed the front pin in my front u/c twice now but that was only through my out landing .The other time was when i put my legs down the front nose leg pin missed the steering yoke and when i landed i had full left steering on and fell oof the runway into long grass which again bent the pin.Too stop this happening again i have installed my steering servo up front of the nose and have conventional cable links to the noseleg so i won't have that embarassing situation ever again.The mains still have the original pins in them and i do fly from grass as well as tarmac.
David Wilde

well, i did not know until after the fact, but, as far as the rest of the plane goes, sweet. except for that front landing gear shaft that keeps bending which i eventually upgraded to a harder metal.

lol, i think that Rafale has the fastest roll rate i have ever seen, and i have seen alot.Also, the maneuverabilitywith the canards, WOW!! ,I set my timer for 5:30 sec to be on the safe side incase of any go-arounds. you have any video of your's?

they sure do

George, I do not know you so I cannot and will not comment on your character or motives. What I can say is that the rc jet community is pretty close knit and we police ourselves pretty well. So when a bad apple comes on the scene they generally get exposed and weeded out pretty quickly. So if Shaz fell into this catagory I think he would have been exposed way before now and hasnt to date. I know he had no iterest in scamming you or ripping you off. He has estabished himself as a legitmate modeler and bussiness person in this community through over 100 good transactions here on RCU. Did you not check this out before making such a large purchase? What would be the point of scamming you after all the hard work he has done making his reputation spotless? Many of us here have been through similar situations and have sympathy for your frustration but when you make accusations with no proof our sympathy fades quickly. I would suggest you be more thorough before and after large transactions and not be so quick to accuse. I wish you luck in the world of rc jets. Clark

so, we've seen i used the correct oil, correct mixtures and now you are telling me that i should of taken out the turbine and sent it to service??? the same turbine that a JUSTpurchased from yOU? the same turbine that YOU told me recently was serviced, the same turbine YOU told me the night before the flight, is good to go, flawless, just start and fly???/? man, you have got to be kidding me. YOUSIR, don't tell me about honesty, because YOUWILLLOOSETHATCASE. I maybe only owned turbines for 4 months now, but i have been around them alot and learned ALOT over the years about them.(its not rocket science) and you are now changing your story again, focusing on this HOT START. I had no hot start, but it sounds like maybe YOU had a few to many. And you dear tell me that i stalled and crashed the jet, lol, you are really a laugh. How long have you been flying for?

Clarke, i understand what you are saying and agree with you alot and i am very sorry if i have offended anyone, but put yourself in my position. first flight, blades shattered and spat out the back, no time to recover, and your $4,800. , plus crating and shipping and taxes was completely destroyed. Keep in mind you were told the turbine had no problems. Yes, i am new to RCU, but certainly not to rc. But being new does not mean the big fish get to eat the little fish.
regards, george

Don't worry George, people are noting your rants and I am sure your reputation will be quite impressive when you are done. Stop playing the fool, if you had taken the turbine out and sent to the manufacturer and received a scientific opinion to forward to me AFTER it had crashed, instead of calling and ranting emotionally with no science to back you, there might have been some amicable agreement between us - as it stands, please send the turbine in to manufacturer. I will be very curious to see what they say. I am sure we all are.

Best of luck, and I hope you will have the grace to apologize if the analysis is not in your favor. I am taking a friend's advice whom you know as well, and I am taking the higher road and moving on.

Take care,
Shaz

MAN !!!!THIS IS IT !!!!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!! DO NOT!!!!!!! I REPEAT!!!!!! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING USED IF YOU #1 DONT KNOW OR TRUST THE PERSON,  PERSONALLY  AND WITH THE AGREEMENT IF SOMETHING IS WRONG IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF!!!!!!   i don't fly turbines let alone would i buy a used !!!!!! i'm scared to buy a used gasser!!! da.dle ect... you never know what the original user mind set is in what they interpret (ie) just broke in, runs great, run on bench only, and the favorite, never run still in the box!!!!! the bottom line is when you buy used there is always a reason!!! you take you chances and repair it if you have to!!!!!! a lot here on rcu are legitimate!!! i have sold here too!!! mostly aircraft and i will and still stand behind what i have sold!!!!  if you want some kind of personal guarantee!!! buy new!!!! that is all there is to that!!! sorry!!! to be so blunt but that is just how it is in today's world!!!!! at least for me it is!!!!

Shaz, i called you and was very calm, and at NOTIME did you suggest sending the turbine for evaluation, you just denied and turned your back on me. On another note, when i sent the email to jet central, i DIDnot get any reply, but instead jet central forwarded my e-mail to you. So, intead of them contacting me to make any suggestions of reasons or evaluations or repairs, they sent it to you and then 100% back you up in this forum. Thats not the way to deal with customers or potential customers. I own the largest hobby store in the caribbean and because of what Jet Central did, i WILLNOT ever recommend products from them to ANYONE. I buy and sell alot of Rc products and i am the EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTORfor Horizon Hobby, Great Planes and many more and never in my 25years of hobby business have i seen such a lack of morals. This, i am not accustomed to. If i were to run my hobby business or any business for that matter like that, I WILL HAVE NO BUSINESS.

I have considered that Buy a total Loss, the turbine, a total loss and it all will be heading to the trash can tomorrow. I am done with this matter. I will Continue to fly and sell turbines and build up my GOOD reputation. A have under my belt a bad ass F22, a Rafale, a sweet yellow F18 twin, a beautiful Jet Legend L-39, anotherSkymaster F18and aF16 (so far)and over 18 prop aircraft that i have in my hanger now. From, Giantscale, to pattern, to scale, to micro. over 8 edf jets and9 Heli's. So, my hobby world does not end with this ONE BADBUY.
Anyway sir, you take care and i hope you sleep well at night
, george

If it was a turbine failure, I am sure jet central will stand by their lifetime warranty. They have a good reputation of honoring their warranty. Send it to Jet Central and be sure to pay the warranty transfer fee.

Chad

You guys sound like teenage girls. Grow up. This doesnt even belong here on rcu.

My two cents.

I agree... let's quit bickering and go work on a plane or something.

Case Closed.

agreed as well, i've been working on my jets all night and loving it

I thought you had to get the warranty before hand for it to be valid? The warranty will only be valid for who has it on file at time of crash.

Hi,

Forreplacement tailpipefor flyeaglejet send e-mail to Mr. <font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">James</span></font> [email protected]he is the right man for any problem with FlyEagleJet

all that money invested in that airplane and this is all you have to show for it? a burnt up engine with broken fins

islandhobbies

Im willing bet good money that before your engine reach JC, your diagnostic will be you didnt put oil in you fuel So do yourself a favor only send the engine in for repair when you are ready to repair it or not. And if JC say there was no oil just say WHATEVER. Nothing going to change the fact that you own the remains. Even brand new turbine will do the same thing. Always remember at full power on any turbine jet be prepared at any time for a flameout.

Good luck

P.S I am not picking sides here. Just my opinion