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Old 06-19-2011 | 11:08 PM
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Im waching the S.Bus this days ,..I like the idea of "unlimited" chanels..and i start lately need more than 14 with the scale options on our jets..[&o]



http://www.futaba-rc.com/sbus/


it looks like it takes only the small 3ch s.bus receiver to pump out as many chanels your radio can handle
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXARPB&P=0


..what you think about this S.Bus?

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Hi George,

I've been using the 3ch SBus RX into a PowerBox SRS on a couple of models and it works great.

This approach is not a 'full' SBus system but gives me all the benefits of the Piwerbox, retaining all my existing servos, a single lead for 16+2 channels into the PB and cheap RXs. £55 for an 18ch RX basically.

The PB SRS also allows Futaba users the chance to monitor frame loss etc as well as run up to 2 RXs in satellite fashion if needed.

Try it! - I Wouldn't swap back!

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Hi George,

I've been using the 3ch SBus RX into a PowerBox SRS on a couple of models and it works great.

This approach is not a 'full' SBus system but gives me all the benefits of the Piwerbox, retaining all my existing servos, a single lead for 16+2 channels into the PB and cheap RXs. £55 for an 18ch RX basically.

The PB SRS also allows Futaba users the chance to monitor frame loss etc as well as run up to 2 RXs in satellite fashion if needed.

Try it! - I Wouldn't swap back!

Cheers
Mark
Mark, this is a good application of the S-BUS. A word of caution for those planning to use long leads on the S-BUS system, dont do it. The coms layer is simple high impedance TTL serial and will have the same problems we already have with PPM on long leads. What is needed is a proper line driver like on RS232 ( + 12V - 12V) or RS485/USB ( differential pair)
BTW Satelite Spektrums have the same issue with long leads...
Now I know most "have never has an issue" but most people dont crash because it is a "Rare" event.
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Hey Mark,

thanx for the input mate ...my SRS arived this morning but my s.bus receivers are still on there way[:@]



..things change so fast the last years...antenas get shorter ..only a single wire come out from the receiver..

but i must say im not very comftable with the idea running 8 of the strong range servos from a single wire on the receiver..

and i dont recall i have plug a wrong servo in a wrong chanel in the past as futaba say...but i think thats the same chances of programing an s.bus servo to a wrong channel then..



I look for the benefits of the S.Bus and till now i only see two ..way more channels to play with , cheap receivers ..

anything else i miss?



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Old 06-20-2011 | 12:47 AM
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Hi Moerig,

For those of us who don't speak geek ( ) are you talking about the SBus lead that connects the RX to the Powerbox or something else? PowerBox supply 20cm leads with their SRS units and state that if you want longer you can "make them up to 1m but don't go longer than 1m" - is this for the same reason you state?

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Hey Mark,

thanx for the input mate ...my SRS arived this morning but my s.bus receivers are still on there way[:@]



..things change so fast the last years...antenas get shorter ..only a single wire come out from the receiver..

but i must say im not very comftable with the idea running 8 of the strong range servos from a single wire on the receiver..

and i dont recall i have plug a wrong servo in a wrong chanel in the past as futaba say...but i think thats the same chances of programing an s.bus servo to a wrong channel then..

I look for the benefits of the S.Bus and till now i only see two ..way more channels to play with , cheap receivers ..

anything else i miss?
George,

My understanding is that there is no load on the RX or the single lead as it is simply passing signal info to the PowerBox which is where all the current load etc is taking place. I have been running 10 8711s through this setup with no issues.

I think if you go for the FULL SBus system and remove the Powerbox from the equation then I'd share your concern about lots of hi-power digi servos through the single leads/plugs. That's why I really like the half way house setup of the PB and SBus RXs.

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Hi Moerig,

For those of us who don't speak geek ( ) are you talking about the SBus lead that connects the RX to the Powerbox or something else? PowerBox supply 20cm leads with their SRS units and state that if you want longer you can ''make them up to 1m but don't go longer than 1m'' - is this for the same reason you state?

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Mark
yes the SBUS lead "signal wire" has limited drive capability and noise rejection capability. Its a 3.3V signal, so it goes from 0V to 3.3V for each bit of info. Since the noise from Servos etc, can approach this level as well, its a problem. Same deal as with long servo leads. The fact that it is "digital" does not help. PPM is every bit as "digital" as SBUS. But for passing signal from your RX to the PB its perfectly OK since the Servo currents are not shared on the SBUS lead. Also the data stream has no check sum or error correction scheme to let SBUS servos know there is an issue with noise. Once again this is the same as with Spektrum Satellites. Nevertheless FASST is miles better in design.

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