I have just bought a Second hand jet which I consider to be imaculate and very well built indeed. I bought it for a very good price. While driving home with the jet I got to pondering:

1) A second hand jet complete can be very good, flown very little and about half the price of the constituent parts.

2) A Turnkey jet is very similar but flown less (Possibly) and generally costs over twice the cost of the constituent parts.

A factor of 4............................. Makes one think..................... What is the real difference

Off to the Nats now


Dennis

Lol yea who knows my first jet was early this year, a Yellow F15 with and old AMT airstart, the complete package RTF minus TX and RX cost me a whopping $2000
Airframe and turbine were in great condition only had about 10 flights total then it just sat for a few years. I doubt I will ever find a deal like that again though.
Now I have a MBA Tornado with AMT 180, and a Tamjets f-16 that I will get a K80 for next week. (my first new turbine) I never thought I could afford turbine jets
but you just gotta be smart about it. There are some killer deals out there right now if you got the cash. I was thinking the other day Ill have 3 RTF jets
and less than $7500 total invested. Before I didnt even think i could get one for that price lol. Granted Im running old Air start engines but they work great!

Paying retail just doesnt make sense.

If I want a model really bad, I just wait for it to show up in the RCU ads. No 8 week wait, free shipping, no tax, goodies included.......Just have to be patient for your model to show up.

Reminds me of classic cars.

You can buy a nice one in top shape for $40,000

Or you buy a old rusted body for $500 and spend $60,000 and 100's of work hours getting it into top shape only to later sell it to some smart guy for $40,000 :P

here the difference in my mind.

Turnkey - All brand new items, no flight time, no run time. PERIOD

Second-Hand- most if not all items used. Flight time could range from 1 flight to 1,000 flights. Condition anywhere from excellent/brand new to "what the hell did i buy"

How bought "new car" with 150 miles of "test drives" on it?

That definition sounds good to me.

Guns have this problem also. "Never Fired, except test fired at the factory".

How can it be never fired when it's been fired?

Dieselman, come on up to Waco for the Greater SW Jet Rally amigo!!! and tell Jack to bring the Jacknife!!!

airstart engines RULE!!!!! welcome to the team. LMAO

Hi Dennis

Lots of great deals to be had on the second hand market especially in recent years. Plenty of crap too...

Can you just clarify what you mean by 'turnkey'? To me it's commissioning a build or do you mean going out and buying all the stuff from new and building it in your own time?

Cheers

bigumbs
must be another trainer !!!

Dean,


How did you know...... The good news is it not a boomer as he already has 3 [X(]

It is right up there with the latest planes................. This years must have............ Here is a part of it see it you can guess what she is.

Oh and I have seem my next model to be scared of from Ace Jets a F9F Panther.................... Very nice indeed

Dennis

Hello Alex

I have to say I am not completely sure of what I mean by turnkey. It seems to be a term that has crept in over the last year or so.

We had and have: RTF, ARTF, KIT, Bits of sticks and a plan etc now we have turnkey which I think is a complete model jet built and all set up and ready to turn the key or in our case push the stick forward, start and fly. This is basically a complete model with all the bits and truely ready to go..... and of course if built by you to an amazingly high standard.

Oh we also of course have Bind and Fly which is a bit like turnkey I recon................... This is moving into the biger sizes as I have just ordered a 26 cc petrol Taylorcraft from the 'elf master'... How soon will it be before the companies do a bind and fly turbine jet perhaps with a P20 in it.

Regards

Dennis

Thats why you have to be careful and use common sense. You can find some great deals on zero time airframes. How much are you willing to trust the seller, that takes experience.

Regarding buying a restored car for $40,000, thought the point of the hobby was retoring it? I have friends that do and making a profit isn't even considered.

ahhh..............the elusive YT Pantera?

Na allot of guys want ARF classics. LOL

Well done Alex you have won the prize.................. Old Dean would never have sussed it anyway.

Here she is on the work bench........... or is that the dining roon table ............ Someone will be popular ............... Still used to that

Regards

Dennis

I didn't realise they had been released....what prize? perhaps one of your many P20's? I'm starting to regret letting mine go

Well you can buy the nice new Kero start P20.............. Thats your prize the chance to get one

I am not sure how long the pantera has been out but there was one flying at the nats today. Went very well I thought..... Looks a good jet for scaredy cats like me

Dennis

Wow that is a nice one. Errr for what I can tell from a pic 20 feet away.

Man I would love too and it was my goal to be there, however i just closed on a new house Friday. So between that moving and building the new workshop (the most important part)
I dont think its gonna happen. Jack will be there though.

that is one big 262 in the background.

The 262 is Ali's It has 2 Jet Central Mamoths in it I think. It flew today after a few problems. Model was originally built by John Greenfield on the Ghost Squadron and later brought back to life by Ian Redshaw in the UK.

http://www.largemodelassociation.com...ield_me262.htm

Dennis

Dennis,

Did you press the "N" key by mistake

Most of your models are turkey they only come out once a year, something to do with you being a chicken

Very Droll you ought to be on the telly with that kind of stuff

Dennis