Check it out.... Passed the Congress.... Done.


http://news.yahoo.com/congress-oks-b...061934280.html


Danno

Good news! Still have to get the President to sign it, but I'd assume that won't be an issue...

Bob

Does that mean that my Jet's aren't going to be turned into boat anchors now.

Another point that will make many people smile....The legislation contains language that will enable airport management to kick the TSA out of the inspection lines, and hire private security providers.
That hopefully might slow down some of the thievery that has been occuring during baggage inspections, and inject some common sense into the pat-down or x-ray process, stopping some of the baby and granny groping.
The Orlando International Airport management is meeting today to vote on kicking them out...Sanford Airport has already made that decision.

http://www.infowars.com/senate-passe...tsa-screeners/

This was on todays Drudge Report.

Yay!

Let me know which airports are the ones patrolled and screened by the $9/hr private security guards from the Barney Fife Private Security Agency! I just hope it works out better than it did for those towns that tried contracting private security instead of hiring actual cops or the private corrections companies, etc.

It could be worse... our police department stopped responding to burglar alarms (residental and business). And our sheriff department will not issue carry permits anymore either as they are "re-drafting" their policy. Our airport TSA are terrible and did a hand wipe of me while in line, then another agent asked to do a hand wipe again. I told them someone just did that and they went postal and were ready to haul me away, but fortunately the lady that did the first one said "I already got him". No appologies and he just walked away like nothing happened. I love airports.

Great place to be a criminal []


Jeff

Good news for the hobby. [8D]


I hope so.


... TSA's finer moments combatting terrorism.

That's so funny !

Saw them "searching" a poor old guy in a wheel chair that had shrapnel (in head) and pins in his leg from WWII and they had to run him through the scanner and wand him and then do it again. He could barely stand while they did this. Poor guy was like 85 or 90 YO and was very nice, but not happy with them. His wife was pretty pi$$ed though


Jeff

Wait,

I thought they were SUPPOSED to be particularly worried about religious people donning robes and head-covers...

Can't we at least be fair? Every one of us knows that the first time the bad guys use an old lady (rather real or a disguise) or a child to get something dangerous through.... we'll all castigate them as inept and ineffective.

I remember hearing about the TSA guys who wouldn't let the old guy through security because he refused to discard a 'sharp metal object' which turned out to be his Medal of Honor. I couldn't believe how offensive and ridiculous that sounded to me, but I also realized that when one of those guys uses his 'discretion' and doesn't stick to the letter of the policy, that'll be the next disaster. They're damned if they do, and double-damned if they don't.

Bottom line for me? I'll stand in that line and go through whatever inconvenience (or so-called humiliation) they want to put me through as long as I know EVERYBODY is going to go through the same thing. Once they start picking and choosing which color, religion, age, nationality, etc. to screen, then the bad guys know better who to send. They'll adapt. Knowing the plane I put my family on is less likely to have a bomb or a hijacker on it is worth whatever the TSA can throw at me.

It's a matter of Statistic's and Odds....... The odds of you getting on an Airplane with a bomb on it is One Million to 1...... The odds of you getting on an Airplane with Two bombs on it is a Million times a Million to 1.., SO, Next time you travel be safe... Carry a Bomb !!!!!!! [X(]


Benny Hill....


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Erik well said!

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The defense of the TSA would be a valid argument if they were a highly trained and specialized security force. It also help if they had or were able to use common sense. Their track record has proven otherwise:

Here are prime examples of how ineffective the TSA is: (the second part of the article they missed a gun)

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded...ry?id=12412458

Here is another recent TSA shinning security moment; http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01...ng-around.html

The reality is of the last 39 thwarted terrorist attacks post 9/11 (that are public record), the TSA has not been involved in any of them.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...uccess-stories

This is from that same article.
Lesson # 9: Current Aviation Security Is Expensive and Largely Inconsequential. Since 9/11, not a single one of the 39 foiled plots was stopped because of physical security measures at U.S. airports. In fact, one of the three successful terrorist plots was a shooting at a ticket counter at LAX airport in Los Angeles. Despite this fact, Congress has poured billions of taxpayer dollars into the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) screening line and toward physical hardening of airports. For much of the first decade after 9/11, this was mostly tolerated by the American public as an inconvenience associated with flying. This included such measures as the often confusing “3-1-1� liquids rule after the liquid-explosives plot in 2006 (foiled plot 17), and forcing passengers to take off their shoes for screening after the Richard Reid plot in 2001 (foiled plot 1).

The growing nuisance of traveling, however, as well as a recent decision by the TSA to force passengers to undergo either a full-body scan or a physical pat down by a TSA agent, have propelled aviation security to the forefront of public debate. The Administration, for its part, has emphasized that this change was initiated because the Christmas Day would-be bomber was able to smuggle explosives, located in his underwear, through a foreign airport checkpoint and that the metal-detector technology deployed in primary screening would have been incapable of finding the explosive and type possessed by Abdulmutallab had he come through a U.S. airport.

Deploying new technologies to meet the threats the nation faces should be encouraged. However, a need to spend money on new technologies is the wrong lesson to draw from the Christmas Day plot. The real lesson can be found in all 39 plots that have been foiled since 9/11: that information sharing and intelligence are absolute cornerstones of effective counterterrorism—not wholesale screening of travelers. The Christmas Day plot in particular demonstrated failures by the Departments of State and Homeland Security to share information and sufficiently connect the intelligence dots. Despite a personal visit from Abdulmutallab’s father to a U.S. consulate office warning of his son’s potential plans for terrorism, the younger Abdulmutallab’s visa was not revoked nor was there additional follow-up with the National Counterterrorism Center—measures that might have placed him on a “no-fly� list and stopped him from boarding the plane in the first place.

Its true their lack of specialized training, common sense and need for political correctness has allowed them to violate everyone equally and thouroughly. Perhaps this has exhausted them so much that they miss the real threats

According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times.

Thats a track record Barney fife and Andy could easily beat.

There's one thing called common sense and a little bit of intelligence.
Most of these ""security"" screeners doesn't have any of the above,
most probably due to faulty training, and poor psychological learning.
Last time my wife and me went in flight " to Seattle" , she was not
permitted to wear the shoe covers I use in operating room, " THEY ARE
TRANSPARENT". The stupid guy told her they were no permitted.
I asked for the rules and no one knew where to find it.

ENT

Anyone who knows anyting about security, weapons and destructive devices knows that the TSA or any other security sceening is simply a counter measure to make the general public feel safe. As long as the sheeple feel safe, the politicians are happy.

Imagine what more he could do if he gets 4 more yrs

After reading the track (test) record and the reading the specific examples I citied
I would emphasize the word "feel" safe.

Erik,

Gimme some credit, Bro. I'm not naive or ignorant of the statistical realities when it comes to certain kinds of terrorism. What I'm saying is that as soon as they start only screening people who fit the profile, even the dumbest enemy can figure out how to send through a mule that doesn't fit the profile. Those guys who were behind 911 (at the top) had access to millions (if not billions) of dollars worth of Arabian money. A determined and well-financed terrorist can surely figure out a way to eventually get someone past the guards if the guards are only looking for "terrorists."

I'm not worried about the Grannies or the babies or the MOH recipients. I'm worried about the terrorists who recruit someone to pass as one of the above. We can talk all the smack we want about TSA people. I don't particularly care for them either, but I do have a little extra empathy for law-enforcement types and the 'damned if you do' treatment they get. Anyone who inconveniences you is a moron, and any government employee is an enemy of the people. I get it. All that aside, I'd prefer to be on the plane where they inconvenienced EVERYONE instead of the plane where they only screened the guys that fit the profile.

BTW, my cousin Lisa is a TSA screener, and from listening to her talk, it seems she agrees with most of you guys. She says she has to leave her common sense at the door when she comes to work, but does her job how she's told to. Go figure...

All I can say I hope those TSA guys get replaced... period. I went to Disney World with my family 3 yrs ago. 4 kids my wife and I. All our kids hade there own luggage, obvious kid luggage.

Well coming back my one daughter 11 yrs old had a wallet with about 40$ in that she used to buy her own stuff. She was very careful while at Disney with it. She packed it in the luggage, my wife and I forgot to take it with us personally, well when we came back the wallet was there but no money, bills and coins gone. Called the TSA in Orlando and they told me to pound sand. They can KMA in my opinion.

Ha!

Actually, I personally got a backpack through TSA that contained two live .50 rounds. It was accidental (a friend helped me tear down a theatre set and left his screw-guns at the theatre in a back-pack, and I ended up borrowing the back-pack for carry-on stuff on a trip to DC). I got it through San Diego, Minneapolis, Reagan and then got caught when I tried to re-enter Reagan after I left the terminal to meet the rental-car guy who was returning my personal car keys I left in the rental. On the fourth trip through security with the back-pack, the line stops, and the guy calls some other guys over to his machine, and the supervisor comes over and asks me if the back-pack is mine. When I said it was, he nodded at the airport cops, and two linebacker-looking cops come over and open the back-pack. I'm standing there rolling my eyes and saying, "This is ridiculous. There's no ammo in there." That's when the dude opens a little zipper pouch in the back-pack and pulls out the two biggest rounds of ammo I've ever seen. Of course, there are bigger rounds out there, but when you've been standing there denying being in possession of explosives with three TSA and two big cops who looked like Black versions of The Terminator are staring at you, the .50 cal rounds looked like 30mm API.

They let me go when I pointed out that I had literally just come through the same line 10 minutes before. The supervisor had me point out the TSA people who'd previously screened me...

Being honest, that WAS kind of a Barney Fife moment...

I think we are all On the same page here, and the bigger picture is
The bill will be signed.
Fly jets!

Peter

And without searching him the had no idea if he was real or hining explosives in his wheel chair and a detonator up his arse. G-d bless the TSA/

I'll tell my story about the TSA. Now to fair to them this happened in Dec. of the same year. My father had passed away and had a military service. I was given the flag with three spent rounds in it. At this time there were still armed military with M-16 at the airport. When I placed the flag in the x-ray machine I told them about the spent rounds in the flag. After seeing them on x-ray the TSA wanted to unfold the flag and look.
A young soldier had heard us talking and came over and told TSA they weren't going to touch the flag. He called over his LT. who slid his hand in and felt the rounds. the LT. told them no and he would take full responsibility. Three with M-16 escorted us to our plane and made sure we got on without any trouble.
There we were waiting to board with three armed guards. Don't you think we felt special.
All I could say was thank you and GO ARMY . Dennis