You sir are arrogant, you think that everyone has to embrace your stupid drones, we all should be one big Happy family, well we are not because of the drone guys arrogance you know the harm you all have caused this hobby, asking me to embrace the drones would be like asking me to embrace the drunk driver, they have no business behind a wheel and you guys have no business flying out of the line of sight, to embrace you would be embracing someone that couldn't give a rat's tail about, and what you have done to harm the hobby you want us to bend over and grab our ankles, but you drone guys do nothing to fix the problem, so next time you use the word arrogance please stand in front of a full length mirror so you can get the full meaning of the word!

uh ohh... Sound like porcia83 The Drone Pilot! is getting upset.

Yes lets just ignore the fact that almost everyday there is another idiot drone pilot doing something stupid.

Lets just keep our heads in the sand and say nothing. Lets sit back and watch as the AMA does everything in its power to protect the very VIRUS that will kill model airplane flying in the near future, because the drone pilots bring in money. Lets spend all the money that the model airplane pilots brought in for so many years to back the wrong Horse!

The Drone pilots are just laughing at us as the AMA does everything to be Politically correct (in other words.. Dont piss us drone pilots off or you wont get re-elected next year)

There are non more blind nor deaf than those that do not wish to see or hear.

Ah yes, as is so often typical of those that will not accept another person's perspective, they lack the ability to discuss things like adults, and resort to school yard bully tactics. (insert sad face emoticon here). I don't have or fly "drones", and it appears that you are now using that word instead of multirotors, here's hoping you actually understand the difference at last. But don't forget to consider the operator is the issue, not the technology.

I'll pass on the bend over comparison. Sad commentary on your part though continuing to toss about generalities about "you drone guys". Can you read, or do you just want to vent on me? I said I don't fly drones/quads or helis. Comprende? I'm just not a techno bigot. When I'm done with the mirror, can I pass it over?

Perhaps you're all vented out now, that was quite a stand on the soapbox...do you have any time to answer the following question though?

Please see December Model Aviation Magazine, specifically page 41. Please explain why someone as skilled and creative as Otto Dieffenback, who has been in the hobby since the 60's, should be banned from the AMA because his aircraft are powered and controled by more than one rotor.

When the he!! Have you accepted my perspective???????

Reading issues much? I don't own nor fly quads/drones/MR. Don't care for them in the least, same if not more with helis.

Not upset in the least, in fact amused at how easy it is to get those so against anything new or different to trip all over themselves confusing MR with Drones. I mean, even the heli guy doesn't understand his heli is by definition a multi-rotor. That and watching them reduce themselves to name calling when they can't state their point in an adult manner.

So hey, can you take a crack at this one since nobody else will step up to the plate. Lot's of tough talk on banning multi rotor users, but suddenly shy and quite as a church mouse when asked a simple question:

Please see December Model Aviation Magazine, specifically page 41. Please explain why someone as skilled and creative as Otto Dieffenback, who has been in the hobby since the 60's, should be banned from the AMA because his aircraft are powered and controled by more than one rotor.

Your perspective is close minded and simplistic (imo), but at what point have I resorted to attacking you? Can you grasp the difference? Also, you have failed to back up said perspective by not answering the question I asked of you. You continue to vilify and demagog "multi rotors' but when asked about the guy with over 30 years of building and enjoying the hobby, you just won't answer. Why is that? If you are struggling with answering the question, it might signal a need to step back and reevaluate the position you are talking. Also, might want to dial back the "you people" stuff too...

The solution is actually very simple.. Have the Drone pilots start their own version of AMA.

But! they wont..because then the spot light will shine solely on them. The drones will continue to fall from the skies over populated areas and to be caught following full scale jets into airports and no longer will the ENTIRE RC community have to share the blame for things that THEY do.

But! The AMA will not want this because of all the revenue they will lose.. So they will continue to support the Virus that will kill this hobby. And long after the ashes have settled.. the dust will once again be stured up by another idiot Drone pilot because they have no rules to follow..or at least they dont give a crap about rules, thats for sure!

You really need to calm down. Calling people names and repeating yourself over and over is not the way to carry on a civilized conversation.

So reading issues are present I see. I haven't called a single person a name here. I have repeatedly asked the same question that nobody seems to have the ability to answer. Wonder why?

Actually that is already happening...and being looked into by one of the largest "drone" companies out there. But what's the rush right, they already have members who are part of the AMA and are advocating for them already. It's ironic I suppose. But don't expect anything on this front too soon. Those that have been screaming about doing away with the AMA and starting another org have been going on and on about this for years. Last time it was attempted was about 25 years ago. Abject failure. Those actually looking into doing that though will quickly realize it's a heck of a lot easier to just say it....then actually do it. I applaud anyone who can do it though, I'll be johnny on the stop if the coverages and benefits of the AMA are matched and the membership rate is cheaper!

This question you keep asking over and over and over etc.etc.etc, you aren't repeating yourself at all? better take care of and keep that mirror

Actually you called people ignorant and prejudice.

People are not responding to your question about one single person...Because we dont Care!! This entire thing is much greater than one person. Id tell him to get out if I could, if that would make these ridiculous rules go away.

By the way,,, Its called Selective reading

Wrong, again, but doubling down might help. I haven't called a single person here a name, but keep repeating it if it makes you two happy. I noted I asked the same question repeatedly, and noted the lack of ability of some in answering it. The reason is obvious.

Your right, the reason is obvious, now enjoy you mirror time!

It's simple really, banning is a lost cause. It won't happen. Banning MR makes as much sense as banning the guy who I keep referencing. The reason nobody will answer the question is obvious, it makes no sense, and will not solve any problem. It's just easy to say it and wish for it to happen. But it won't. Just like helis when they came to be, they are here, and never going away. Lament this fact, and pine away for the good old days, the hobby will continue to move forward. Banning isn't the answer, if it was the AMA or the FAA would have done so long ago.

Thank you. They are just inanimate objects and they only do what the operator tells them to do, so it simply boils down to training and safety awareness. You will still have the bad apples, by the way they also exist in traditional modeling, but at least you will have helped those who want to be responsible, be responsible. Ignorance can be corrected, stupid can't be corrected.

Maybe if we could just use this for our exemption...

Traditional modeling as...

Flying line of site with permission from the property owner.

Would anyone call the Global Hawk or the Reaper a full scale aircraft or model ? Even the military calls them DRONES !!!!

That is because they are drones.

Helicopter guy does know what he is talking about a multi rotor is more than 2 rotors. A helicopter has 1 on top and one on tail for stability that's not a mulity rotor. Same as an Airplane is not a Drone. Also mr's don't use pitch, helicopters do. To answer your question porcia he shouldn't be kicked out ama if he is following safety codes than its all good. I Don't hate multi rotors like some do but helicopters are not multi rotors! don't care what you think apples or no apples We don't see a helicopter and say looks it's a multi rotor. Nope don't think so it's still called a helicopter at the end of the day.

Using the Dictionary and ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) definition of a drone, arguing that fixed wing RC model aircraft are not drones is as pointless as holding a pistol in your hand and saying "Its not a gun".

A pistol satisfies the definition of a gun as fixed wing RC satisfies the definition of a drone. I fail to see why that is so difficult to understand.

I fly them all regularly, fixed wing, helicopters and multicopters and don't really care what name they fall under.

That's one definition for sure, but just one, and not sure where that is sourced from. It's just a appropriate to say anything with more than one rotor is multirotor, there is really no disputing that point no matter what side of the fence one sits on. There are other uses and applications for multi rotors, sure thing. Hey, isn't an Osprey a mutli rotor aircraft, well sure it is. Wonder if a "traditional modeler" modeler built one of those they should be banned.

If we can agree that the guy I referenced above does in fact fly multi rotor aircraft, and I'll say for the sake of this example it's anything more than 2...should his aircraft be banned from the AMA? Does that seem fair even to the slightest degree? Can anyone be honest about this?

Well, lets split hairs a bit and agree that a heli has absolutely more than one rotor, and both control the aircraft.

But...I saw this post after hitting save on my other one. Thanks for answering the question, I really do appreciate it. Again, I don't fly helis or MR/Drones, so I can honestly say I have no bias for or against them.

I did get some pics that might be helpful to others in answering the question (or not . But here are some of the absolutely amazing aircraft this guy has built using multiple rotors. They are little works of art, technologically creative, and just pretty damn cool. I cannot fathom for a second why anyone, even die hard "traditional " modelers would ever consider keeping this guy or his aircraft out of the AMA. For the record...he flies fixed wing too.

I thought the last one was appropriate given the day!

airplanes dropped the bomb on japan in World War II. We cant go back and claim it was crazy Obammie with his stick figure drone and 8 electric con job motors.