I'm confused! Is JetJoe USA a recent development since JetJoe appeared? Are they the manufacturers, or did they jump in and start representing JetJoe? There was a post of someone who bought something from JetJoe (a fuel pump, I believe) and it came direct from China, and the ISP has been traced back to China. I would not have expected an amaturish website with "Chinglish" type grammatical errors from a USA based company - so what's going on? If I'm wrong, great, a cheap USA made turbine is what I want, or even a cheap made in China, inspected in USA turbine (with inspection certificates and a traceable quality assurance standard). BTW, JetJoe, you website is about the slowest loading in history!

Wojtek, Your 2 post on these engines are merely 6 hours apart. The first one you are excited about getting an engine and running it and then less than 6 hrs later you are telling all of us that jet joe is a piece of sh&t. I am still on the sidelines on this one and unless someone who ACTUALLY has one of these engines and ACTUALLY has run it and experienced the problems post here i am not inclined to belive your post as of yet. Russ

I seen this engine last night, after it was run a few times.. ONE word to describe the engine is junk. After the engine was run it was taken apart. The motor after a few runs looked like it was over 100 times. This is how much junk this engine is, do balance the turbine wheel they grinded the back side (which was a deep groove), which now the material is real thin right near the center section. Injectors were clogged, corrision galore, etc... Outside looked real nice and pretty, inside a nightmare!! This engine is a hazzard waiting to happen. I would not trust this engine on a test bench let alone a $3000 jet, not to mention the saftey of others while at a flying field or jet meet. ** DO NOT EVER THINK OF BUYING THIS ENGINE, NEVER!! **

well, what the manufacturer (in china ) claims is one thing and what is the truth is another ... Anyone can claim somehting is certified. As for Todd Walters, he recently was brought in by JetJoe to act as a US distributor, this was needed since English seems to be the issue for the JetJoe guys .... I will leave the rest to Todd to fill evertyone in on .. He is in a tight spot and, which he was put in by JetJoe .. they promised him one thting , and are delivering another, with a lot of behind the scenes secrecy, and suspicious behavior .. I think more than anything, Todd wants to ensure no one gets hurt by one of these engines, especially with the low price tag these carry, as a lof of inexperienced people would be getting these .. There are hundreds of people who already want to place orders, Todd could make a lot of mony on this , but propper ethics and respect for the consumer is just not allowing him in his right conscience to expose the public to such a low quality, and quite frankly dangerous product . I'm sure Todd will jump in and fill everyone on the scoop soon ...


Wojtek

Thank you for posting with actual information we all can use. Thanks Russ

I finally understand why the ama had a cert process for all turbines.I would put it back in the guidlines after reading this thread. arghhhh.
V..

DO YOU ACTUALLY OWN ONE OF THESE ENGINES?

How many times is a "few times"?

Injectors clogging could be the owner using cheap fuel and not filtering it, has nothing to do with the engine.

Hazzard, is that something from The Dukes of Hazzard?

So because of a few problems this upstart company needs to iron out, none that have been actually proven to me yet BTW, you say NEVER buy the engines. NEVER? That's a big word. Never is a LONG time. How would we have every got to the moon with this mentality? How are we ever going to see a turbine motor for less than $2000 with this mentality?

Again.....do you actually own one of these engines? If not, please have the person that does own the engine post up. I'd like to hear from the owner of the motor.

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Todd, after my conversation with one of the other "receivers" of test engine tonight, call him and make sure he throws the two cents your way that I threw him. If you have any questions give me a call.

Sean

Wow....Cats out of the bag eh [&:]

OK Guys....
As some of you may know, I have a close relationship with Todd Walters (GTMAXX). We have become good friends over the years, which started with the manufacturing of my Eurosport canard arms. Todd and I discussed JetJoe in depth, we joined forces to try and bring these "Inexpensive" turbines to the US market through JetJoe USA, Dreamworks Model Products and a small dealer network, although I had my doubts that anyone could produce a quality product at this price from the very start.
Todd, myself and another individual who is highly knowledgeable in turbines received engines for testing purposes. As Todd has explained, these engines do not meet the standards required for safe or reliable operation. Fact is, they run but not for long. There are some major engineering elements missing from these engines. I don't suggest anyone purchase a JetJoe unless they are looking to own a pretty paper weight. In the next day or two, I will post quality images of the engine internals for all to view, lets see who can identify the problems..... [sm=wink.gif]
Todd Witkoff

An Additional Note:

I want to state that I agree with the decision made by both the AMA and JPO to eliminate the need for engine certification. This has opened up the market for many small production, quality engines to enter the US market place that would not have been available to us. However, I believe it is up to all of us to keep a watchful eye out for companies such as JetJoe, we must ensure that what is being imported and used by us does not put anyone in harms way. Lets keep this hobby safe for all of us!
The old saying..... If it's too good to be true

Todd

I want to salute you guys for putting safety before the almighty dollar. That is a lot of sales you put off to ensure the product you were selling would not be unsafe for the people that buy them. I am sure there would have been hundreds and hundreds of people buying one just because they were so cheap, I would have. Thanks again for the honesty.

Yep, I'm with you on this one.

I figured a $699 turbine was in the "too good to be true" category, which is why I only ordered a fuel pump (which I haven't had a chance to test yet but will report when I've done so).

After doing a bit of digging, I've found that the local auction site here in NZ had someone trying to sell similarly Chinese-made turbine engines. Once again, the seller had no idea as to what the real engine specs or quality were and was obviously acting simply as a middle-man.

We can probably expect to see a few more JoeJets come out of the woodwork in the next 12 months or so.

The engine I seen after it was run was Todd's. He brought it over (working on a jet for Heart of Ohio, =) ) Todd, knows how to run and break in a engine. So these findings I posted in my other reply was from one of the engines Todd had.

-=> Frank

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Todd,

You were very prophetic in your original post when you said "the inevitable is about to happen"! At the time, I doubt, though, if you were referring to the implosion of JoeJet and JoeJet USA! [>:] Any particular reason that you didn't check out the quality of the JoeJet turbines before taking us all along for this unfortunate ride?? [:@]

John

Wasn't them wetstarts we discussed was it?

ezflyr
Todd was the one taken for a ride. Sounds to me like he had a lot more invested in this than you did. By making his announcement on RCU about the quality of these turbine, he has probably saved quite a few people some money and maybe even saved some from serious injury.

BTW Todd announced his involvement on 8/18/2004. All of the threads listed below were started well before then.

Thanks Todd! Sorry it didn't work out for you.

7/26/2004
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_20...tm.htm#2024392

7/29/2004
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_20...tm.htm#2033786

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_20...tm.htm#2034699

8/13/2004
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_20...tm.htm#2080637

WHUT THE FU*?#@..........................I lay-ed my head on my pillow last night thinking that the R/C turbine industry was upon a great revolution. I had read posts hear on RCU detailing the eco-social-political ramifications of our global economy. The frequent posters explained in so many words that JetJoe was essentially bound to happen and long overdue...hubahubahuba. Kevin Greene had uncovered the great turbine engine price fixing conspiracy.....The folks at Wren were obviously crying "sour grapes"!......yada,yada,yada.

I got up early this morning and drove out to the field to play with my hopelessly outdated, totally unavailable in the U.S. and wildly overpriced, Wren MW-54 only to hear from one of the "earlier-birds" that JetJoe "was no more". Chicken Little lives!! After a great morning of model aviating ("only 88 degrees" and 5 flights on the Reaper), I rushed home to read about and verify the implosion. This proving once again that Internet forums are for entertainment purposes only. I'll just bet a few of this saw this coming.................


Too bad good guys like Todd Walters got sucked into the international intrigue.


Tailwinds,

John

Thanks for trying Todd, and thanks for doing the right thing like you always have done.

Looks like Tood is the stand up guy here. Remeber what our dads told us "if it looks to good to be true it usually is" I'll take higher prices over getting junk that might kill somebody!

What still amazes me is that in a world of turbines costing $2200 and MORE, that anybody could take seriously for 2 seconds an engine that they are claiming is just as good for $1000 ready to run.
I'm sure one day technology will bring things to that level, but you can't even buy a wren KIT for that low and put it together yourself.

It just goes to show the hopes of many, perhaps even the masses, work hand in hand with the nievity of human nature.

If it looks like ****, smells like **** and tastes like ****, it's probably ****

Jeremy,
I don't think its technology that will make these things cheaper, it supply and demand. If these turbine company's could afford to have a run of a thousand of each piece made at one time and be able to sell the engine fast when they are done then you will see the price come down. The cost to do this will be in the millions, just to hard to do!

These engines have to be made to certain standards, if you do see the price to low things are being compromised to make it so cheap.
Thats why I say support the turbine mfg's that already exist. Hopefully they will exist and continue to make these engines for you. Their experience on these engines surpass any new guys coming out.

One thing that many scammers rely on, is the fact that a lot of people will quite eagerly ignore all of the big red flashing warning signs, just because they so desperately want it to be true.

Gordon