Dear Eric,

That's very kind of you, thank you very much. I'll see if I have that issue and if not, I'll order a back issue.

So you're in Norwich! I'm in North Suffolk! Whereabouts do you fly? We should get together if I get one of these Hawks up and running!

Best regards,

Jason.

Hi Jason,

If you PM me your address I'll send you a photocopy. It’s no trouble.

Our field is at Wymondham and is a well-tended grass strip that sees fairly regular turbine use. However, first flight with a Hawk would be better from tarmac. A few extra feet of runway are always beneficial!

If you need access to tarmac for first flight, let me know.

Best regards,
Eric

AMD HAWK NOW IN U.K.
WE HAVE BOTH THE RED ARROW VERSION AND THE INCREASING POPULAR CAMOFLOUGED VERSION WHICH WE NOW PROVIDE WITH RAF ROUNDELS.
ALL OF MY KITS ARE INDIVUALLY CHECKED AND MODIFIED TO TAKE A 44 OR 54 SIZE TURBINE IMPARTICLAR THE EVER POPULAR WREN TURNINES.I SUPPLY THE CORRECT HARD WARE FOR THE JET VERSION AS I THINK SOME OF IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR JETS AT NO EXTRA COST TO THE CUSTOMER.WE CAN ALSO SUPPLY TO MAINLAND EUROPE.WE HAVE SENT SEVERAL OUT NOW TO EUROPE INCLUDING THE STARTER OF THIS THREAD SONNICH.THE LATER KITS WHICH I HAVE JUST RECEIVED ARE OUT OF THIS WORLD FOR THE MONEY.ALL OF THE DECALS ON THE RED ARROW VERSION ARE PRINTED ON THE MODEL AND THE WINGS ARE NOW PAINTED TO GIVE A PERFECT PAINT MATCH WITH THE FUSELAGE.PREVIOUSLY THE WINGS WERE FILM COVERED.
OUR HAWK HAS MW 44 FITTED WEIGHS 10 1/2 LBS NOW IT HAS BEEN FITTED WITH WHEEL BRAKES BUT NOW I HAVE GOT USED TO THE AIRCRAFT I FEEL WE DO NOT EVEN NEED TO USE BRAKES.ON A FAIRLY STILL DAY WE RECORDED LANDING SPEEDS OF 35MPH WHICH IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. AS THE MODEL DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY WASHOUT BUILT INTO THE WING WE MIX IN SOME CROW BRAKING SO BELOW TAKEOFF FLAP WE MIX IN SOME UP AILERON. ONLY ABOUT 3 TO 4 MM WHICH HAS A BRAKING EFFECT AS WELL AS ANTISTALL EFFECT AT LOW SPEEDS. FOR THE VIDEO OF THAT RECORDED 35 MPH LANDING SPEED HOPEFULLY IF IT IS DOWN LOADABLE PLEASE E.MAIL ME.FOR FURTHER INFO E.MAIL ME [email protected]

Dear Eric,

Incredible! The kindness that abounds on this thread is unbelievable! Very grateful on all counts there Eric, but don't worry about going to the trouble of sending a photocopy.

Indeed, I'd prefer the first flight to be off tarmac and have a couple of possible options near hear - Bentwaters and Bury St Edmunds. I'll take you up on your kind offer should I need it though. Once I'm up and flying it would be nice to fly socially with you and your chaps. Do you have any other jets in your club?

Cheers,

Jason.

Hi Jason,

I see from another thread that several guys from “East Anglia�, including Dave Wilde with his AMD Hawk, were flying at RAF Bentwaters last winter in what seemed to be the start of a series of regular monthly meetings. Unfortunately the meetings stopped just before my first jet was ready to go!

There are five regular Jet Jockeys in the SNMFC with a fair spread of jet types. One of the guys has just taken delivery of a Tamjets Super Hornet and WOW what a beauty that is. Truly awesome. He’s doing a full review of the hornet, which will appear in RCJI in the spring.

Yes, social flying is good and greatly enhances the experience. Being only a Jet Rookie myself I’ve been extremely impressed with the level of friendly help and guidance offered by both traders and individuals.

What turbine are you planning to use in your Hawk?

Best Regards,
Eric

Dear Eric,

Do you know why the regular Bentwaters meetings stopped?

As for which turbine for my Hawk: This will be my first jet - I've wanted a jet SO badly since 1995! I like ridiculously overpowered models, always have, I think it's fun. For example, for the Yellow Aircraft Spitfire, they recommend a 25-30cc engine, so we've put a 60cc inline twin in ours. As you do. Therefore, for the AMD Hawk it had to be an MW54 Super Sport - no brainer, I thought. However, one commodity I very much want to be inherent in my Hawk is the shortest possible take-off run from grass. Having spoken to David Wilde just today, that means MW44 Gold, no question, full stop (due to the lighter weight). He also said that the 54 sport is a bit too hairy - you'd have to fly it very carefully and could only really use full throttle when vertical. He said he thought the airframe wouldn't be strong enough to stand any "flat-out runs", therefore the 54 sport in this model wouldn't be a good idea for a first jet.

I dreamt of having a jet that will take a short run off grass and then sit on its tail and climb vertically, followed by a shockingly fast straight and level low pass, just like I've seen some Kangaroo/Boomerang-esque jets do at model air displays. Does the AMD Hawk get anywhere near this kind of performance on the 44?

I fully intend to heed David's advice, by the way. I'm too new to this not to (been flying models for 10 years and have a "B" certificate, but no jet experience yet).

All comments and opinions on this subject most welcome!

Best regards,

Jason.

Jason, I have a video of Dave's Hawk flying with the mw44. Send me an email and I'll forward it to you.

Dave

Whoa! Wicked! Gagging to see that! Right, sending you my email address by PM...

Dear Dave,

SO grateful for you sending that footage, it's orgasmic! Really pivotal stuff for me as that's EXACTLY what I'm aiming to achieve. I'm sure it will be watched over and over again. I've already watched the take-off several times - I can't believe how short the run was. Amazingly enough, it looks like it would even get off out of our little tiny local flying field - something I never expected.

Boy, does it go on that MW44! I think I'll forget my 54 super sport aspirations and go along with the 44 gold as per the good advice I've received from those with far more knowledge on the subject than me! (As if I'd go against it!)

It looks like this combination makes an ideal first turbine jet model.

Thanks again and Merry Christmas,

Jason.

No worries,
Looks like you got what you wanted from the video!

Let us know how you get on.

Happy Christmas to all,

Can you post the video someplace? Maybe putfile.com?

Thanks

Hi Jason,

It really does seem that "less is more" when applied to the Wren MW44 and AMD Hawk!

I'm currently flying a Grumania SU-27 with a Wren MW44. This is another great combination. It certainly doesn't hang about at full throttle!

I see that this will be your first Jet. I'm not much further on than that myself. I've found turbine powered jets not any more or less difficult to fly than a fast "normal" IC engine sport plane. They are just different. Being generally faster, heavier and much more exciting. The sound and smell is pure magic too. Beware, once you start there's no going back!

One major difference is the turbine spool up and down times. The delay in stick to thrust response takes some getting used too and requires a great deal of anticipation and forward planning.

Not sure why the Bentwater meetings stopped. I'd certainly support them if they started up again.

Seasonal Greetings to one and all.
Eric

Anyone out there wants the video of the AMD Hawk/ Mw44 Combination which is pretty impressive please e.mail me [email protected]

Hey Sonnic,

Couldn't resist. After reading this thread I placed an e-bay order for a Hawk. I will put a Ramtec/OS .91/Weston on it.
Did you make the landing gear struts yourself?

BTW, I saw one fly on a Wren-44 earlier this year in Austin........flew awesome!!

later,

David

Hi, they are the small eurokit legs..

They are not realy up to the task........or maybe my landings just suck

Im going to modify mine a bit.
Im moving the engine further forward, alowing me to use lighter batteries in the nose, and reduce weight.
A single tank will be placed directly infront of the engine, with some of the inlet dicting removed.

We will see how it works out

I take it you won't be using a bypass. Whatever happened to the F-16? Did you ever finish it? Im gettig mine done, hopefully will be ready for turbine install as soon as I receive it (lete February).

nope...it flys fine without the bypass......but who knows, it might fly even better....if I had one
The F-16 is still unfinished, but not forgotten [8D]

Im building another sportjet at the moment for my simjet 3000, which is taking my time.


I also need another pipe. The wren pipe i bought could not take the heat from one of the JJ`s hotstarts
its pretty buckled up from the heat, so Im going to get a friend to build another one for me out a a little thicker material.

The ECU was set to cut the gass at 100 degrees instead of at 400........this gave me a few hotstarts until I found the fault.

hi Sonnich,
I believe wren do a thicker gauge thrust tube for the supersport which will solve your promblems.
David Wilde

Hi Dave,

Do the new batch of hawks have re enforced retract plates?

I'm growing ever more tempted......


Cheers,
DaveB

AMDHobby will soon have a turbine specific version of the Hawk available

http://www.amdhobby.com/news.php?new...sid12%20class=


What is funny though is that on the AMD website they have an "ALERT" stating that there are poor quality imitation versions of their Hawk on the market!!

Greg

The AMD website says

and then

I asked AMD what the wing of the new version was made from and, although not 100% sure, I think it will be very similar to the old balsa one. I was hoping it would be foam (with stronger retract points as Dave03B mentions).

Price is $399 direct from AMD ($120 shipping to UK).

It would be interesting to know what other 'turbine' provisions there are. i.e. does it come with tailpipe (I assume not)? or tailpipe mounting points? Is the hardware the same as the old version?

I wonder if I got one of the "imitation" versions. I paid $153.50 on ebay + $40 for shipping.

I'll let you know how good/bad the model is.

David

David, if you bought from i creation/ dimball Hong Kong you will have a nice AMD built Hawk. Mine came from the same place (through e bay) with a simular price tag, I am pleased with the quality and fit on my kit. Painted,no raised join on the fuz, decals and painted cockpit.

Chris

Yeah, that' what I'm talking about. I don't mind making lillte mods if necessary, or reiforcing the wing with some Carbon Cloth. Once I get it, it should take just a couple of days to take it to the field.

Take a look at what will be available soon...wing fences for AMD Hawk - primered, ready for paint & install. Also main gear OLEOS. These will also work great for Albatros L-39, L-59.