How about giving us the scoop since some of us can't go this year. I'm sure that there will be great things this year. Just thought I'd start a thread for info and Pics from Superman.

I can give you a sneak preview of what new toys we at Planes Plus will be bringing.
1. The Rookie sport jet
Features:
Enclosed motor
Thrust vector
Interchangeable with roo wings and stabs
Intro priced at $1000
Available at Superman
2. Mig15
80 inch (big plane)
All surface detail
HUUUUGE top hatch
Removable tail
Intro priced at $3999 (includes kit gear and bypass.)
3. Eurofighter Sport
For those who want the unbelievable flying of our eurofighter
but do not care about the scale look.
Pre painted
Easy to build.
Comes with Kit gear and tailpie Intro price $1999
Don Kanak 630-240-1288

I guess these kits are from Fiber Classics. Perhaps they could start supporting their existing Mig 29 customers, too, to get these machines in the air before too long.

Its time Andreas Geitz got his act together on this issue before he starts taking customer's money for new projects.

So sorry to have to take this line but my patience is exhausted and, confirmed by an e-mail I have just recieved form another Mig builder in Brazil who is getting presure from his client, we need some action and we need it soon.

I would like to hear from any other fruustrated Mig builders who are in a similar position so we can build up a dossier on this unnsavoury situation. We are not asking for much, just the information needed to get this critical hydraulic system working to airworthy standards without which the model is just a dust collecting ornament.

What is the situation in the US on Migs supplied by Planes Plus ?

Regards,

David Gladwin

My Rookie arrive today. Very nice. Now I making parts for vector thrust exhaust. Hope got my to try it out in couple weeks.
Brg,
Tam

What is the Rookie jet? Is it another flying wing type?
Thanks
Myles

I also have found it pretty sickening that Fiberclassics keeps selling Kangaroos by the dozens, showing up at all the shows with a big booth, etc, etc, while I have several friends who have TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR paperweights called Mig 29's. Not ONE has flown yet. Not one.
If they went out of business, that's one thing, but they havn't, and I think it's sad and disgusting that they have the nerve to keep advertising and selling stuff while leaving their previous customers in the lurch. It ain't right.
So I could not care less about their rookie.
What I care about is their plunking down the money to make new Mig29 landing gear ECU's FIRST, to give the eighty guys who bought these WHAT THEY PAID FOR. Sorry, but it bothers me.

I have never dealt with Fiberclassics and I could definitely not afford a Mig 29 but I totally understand where you are coming from.
Myles

What is especially bothersome is that the company keeps selling stuff left and right! Introducing new kits and products, and yet they collected $800,000(that's 80 kits at $10k each) for a project that is totally unuseable.
That's serious dough. Cottage industry, my foot. If they had gone out of business, that would be one thing, but they keep taking in more money, without honoring their debts. Right now I have two close friends with these aircraft, and neither can be flown. I have met at least a handful of other guys who are in the same boat. Another guy bought the kit for $10k, new, and ended up selling it for $4k. It was and still is essentially worthless until they replace the totally defective landing gear ecu. To hear their US dealer come around and brag about their new product is a slap in the face, considering that they have taken SERIOUS money from a lot of people and not delivered what was paid for.

As a MIG29 owner myself I have to agree, that there are some unresolved issues still re- the F/C MIG29... probably better suited to discussing in a seperate specific thread through.... I am also very interested to hear whats new at Superdude 2002. - Anyone have pics. yet?

As to the Rookie, It certainly looks like it could be a fun flying jet complete with thrust vectoring system designed by Tam.

I´m the guy who had wrote to David about the Mig here in Brazil.
i´m trying to calm down my client, but he´s very hot on this issue, and i´m running the risk of loosing my job (i´m payd montly by him). i´ve just sent a mail to F/C asking for advice.now i´m assembling the gear on the bench to try figure out if it´ll work, then i´ll start building the plane.
because of the F/C silence, my client had put down the bought of 2 extra 300 (for brazilian TOC competitor fabio trento), guess why?:because it was fiberclassics product.
i simply can´t understand why F/C is still in silence, even after the article at RCJI.this way they´ll be out of business pretty soon.
i don´t want to make harm to f/c image, in fact o would like him to grow even more to offer new products, but theyr way of running the company is spoiling the name...

I'm curious about this Mig 29 landing gear issue..and I did read your article in Jet magazine. How did both of those guys (I forget their names) the German guy and the guy from Thailand manage to compete at the Jet World Masters (and win the one year) with these models? Are they not running the same gear system? If that's the case are theirs pnematic vs. hydro and why doesn't FC just ship the customers the same gear that they ran? Just curious for some background on this project..I can't afford one either but I used to look at it as the ultimate project (after winning the lotto! <G>) Thanks, David Sweatt
PS. Why is this under this thread? Can they move it to another?

I put it on this thread because, s one guy says, C is slapping us in the face by ignoring us whilst promoting its other new products, I find that pretty offensive.

It is true that two Migs were flown at the World Masters in Thailand but even Wolffgang had his gear collapsing. I dont mind working on the gear to fine tune the angles etc BUT I feel that the hydraulic system should not need to be redesigned by the customer to gety the machine airborne with reliable gear operation.

I could even handle the situation if FC admitted they had a problem and asked us to pool our ideas and resources t get the thing working.

And just to make things clear I, too paid for my kit, (like everything else I review, no freebies) even though it has been featured in RCJI.

Thank you gentleman for your support.

BRG,
David Gladwin

Hi I once had the Mig 29 But sold it !the one that was flown other than Wolfgangs was a chap from Singapore, I believe FC moved their facility to Singapore? maybe he received some help,Now my Friend has one also and a possible Quick fix is to swap out the main gear for Aviation Design Su 35 Gear! Im sure it would work the planes are close to size The Su is Heavier and the su gear do rotate forward up!And they mount with a angele bracket just like the FC Gear.
I would highly suggest this route! Good Luck

Thank you, but its Thailand not Singapore.

Help may be at hand from the US on redesigning the FC gear to work properly without hydraulics. Of course I note the reply from Fiber Classics who are still pushing the Mig 29 on their web site and how their 24 hour world wide support is so good with assurances of success !

BRG,
David Gladwin

no way i would trade the beatyfull landing gear for the a/d units.
and besides that, mostly of the 10.000U$ went to pay the gear.
i´m assembling the gear on the bench and will try to cycle it properly.if i have any sucess, i´ll let you know.
all the best/fred

Hi, You could still use the FC struts and wheels and brakes you would just use the actuators from the AD gear, I wouldn't be so proud of the gear they dont work period,the wheels on your 10K kit are dubros. . Then you have the elevator problem, you are best off using the new volts servos alunostars instead of 2 8411s its allot of headache to get them set up even with a matchbox... good luck..

Hi.
I can´t understand why Wolfgang Kluehr flies the MiG29 sucessfully at many events in Germany....and it seems,that he has no problems.
Why can´t he help you?
I saw him at 3 different meetings and every time his MiG did a great job .

What I have to say about F/C:
I´m very interested in the new MiG15 , but: the kit(2500€ will be available in november, but the gear is still under construction(last weeks info, given by "F/C Vertriebs GMBH/Germany")
Why can you sale a superb model,priced at a high level without the needed equipment?

Info:

Fiberclassics ís splitted into two parts:

1.) Production: G-Force (Andreas Gietz/Thailand)
2.)Sale/Distribution: "FiberClassics Vertriebs GmbH/Germany"

Bye
J.

Hi,
I wish I could say I'm surprised that no one's managed to get the hydraulics working on their Mig but unfortunately I'm not. A freind of mine has has his for over a year now ready to fly but for all of our attempts cant get the system to work reliably, and with the time and not to mention significant money invested there is no way we are going to fly until we know the gear is reliable.
However, I've been giving the system some thought and may have come up with an idea where we keep the hydraulics for the gear and convert everything else to air. The ECU will be binned and an alternative (quite simple too) system to control the hyraulics used. I'm just soursing some parts and then we'll test the idea. If it works (pretty confident) I let everyone know as you should be able to get sorted for a small cost and no major re-engineering, then get your planes finally airbourne.
It's a real shame that what should have been a real pleasurable experience has turned into nothing less than a complete fiasco. Late delivery of parts, poor instructions, systems that have obviously never been properly developed or tested and have to pay for the privalidge infull up front. Poor show and the last time we deal with FC!

Regards,
Tony

David:

Let me know if you need help on modifying this gear - I'm willing to tackle them.

Dennis

Wow, this is way off topic guys!

I do find it rather funny that Glennis will reply to this problem on a public forum before the manufacturer of the gear will. You know he at least lurks here.

WHAT'S UP ANDREAS ?

Scott

hello friends!
Glennis, you´re more than wellcome to help us!!you have done a great job with the Mig wheels(i´ll order mine set soon, believe me!)
Jettset, pardon me, maybe my english isn´t so good to express everything the way i want! indeed the look of the gear is fantastic, and i plan to make this plane a worldmaster contender as i´ve done with F/C F-86. that´s why i want to use this set of gears, and they will be equipped with glennis wheels, not the du-bro that came with the kit.
i agree with you, it would be good to chanke the actuators. anyway, all of us had payd a small fortune and we DESERVE that f/c solves the problem before things get worse.
i´m not sure what problems arises when cycling the gear (anyone can tell me?) seems to me that air in the system with a deffective ECU leads to the problem, but i´m not sure.
as soon as i progress with the tests i´ll tell averybody.
unfortunately here in brazil things are a little harder to be sorted out....
good luck for us...

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As to the Rookie, It certainly looks like it could be a fun flying jet complete with thrust vectoring system designed by Tam. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Marty,
I got my rookie. I'm waiting for my brother machine shop to have spare time CNC my first proto type vector mechanism.
My vector thrust pipe can move 20 degree up/down/left/right.
Working on two seperate channel mix with rudder and elevator.
I'll keep you posted.

Email me your new number. I try to call you couple time. But didn't get thru.
I need you to send me your Mig-15 bypass to complete the pipe.
Since the diameter of the bypass is to large. I got to make a custom bellmount to fit inside the bypass. I done this once for Doc Jone.
It fit very nice.

Brg,
Tam

Hey Marty,
I got my rookie. I'm waiting for my brother machine shop to have spare time CNC my first proto type vector mechanism.
My vector thrust pipe can move 20 degree up/down/left/right.
Working on two seperate channel mix with rudder and elevator.
I'll keep you posted.

Email me your new number. I try to call you couple time. But didn't get thru.
I need you to send me your Mig-15 bypass to complete the pipe.
Since the diameter of the bypass is to large. I got to make a custom bellmount to fit inside the bypass. I done this once for Doc Jone.
It fit very nice.

Brg,
Tam [/B][/QUOTE]

OK, I have a question, as I see we are going very quickly to have "3D" jets ( and I thought I was safe from these things doing jets..anyway...) How you do a torque roll without torque ?

Bernard

Bernie, I think I will paint mine all white fit a Tam smoker and call it the Shuttle. Can you just picture it! ; )

Rookie is almost finish. After 14 hrs working on it. I got all the major work done. Now is ready for mounting the turbine and servos. I safe the vector thrust pipe for last. Hope I got it ready for Woodland this weeken.
Brg,
Tam