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Why do people ever question what other people spend on their hobbies.
We each have our own interests and activities we enjoy. A basic country club membership and dues for a local and not overly prestigious club runs several thousand a year plus equipment and food etc. Why is my hobby any different ? Some guys like to buy exensive Bass Boats and spend each weekend fishing. . . . .again no different. Hunting . . . . no differnet What about the traditional vices . . . . women, gambling and drinking ? Heck, I don't even smoke. . . . .we'll my 1/3 scale Pitts does :) So the money I save by not burning a pack a day is equal to $5 x 365 days = $1825/yr. If I had some extra coin laying around I might buy a one of those planes as well. More likely I'd just buy the stuff to build my own. |
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ORIGINAL: Guillermo Ibanez I spent $ 10.897 in my Skymaster F-16 1/8 including lights, Eagle Tree Telemetry with GPS, Tam Jets ordinance Kit, Futaba 12FGA 2.4 Ghz radio, etc.during last year and when I tried to sell it with no more than 3 hours of flight in $ 13.000.oo, including my labor to assemble it, just one guy in spain was interested, but many people said that according to the economy last year, nobody were goig to be interested. When I saw the prices for the same jet but used, I decided to keep it. The price were no more that $ 6.500 without transmitter for one ready to fly. My intention was to change mine for one used 1/6 scale tha t I never found. (just one in the Symaster web page but too expensive). Some months later, I crashed it due to a battery failure and I went to my bank, and get a loan to by a new fuselage. I don´t earn as much money as to spent these amount of money in a hobby but it is my hobby and is what I am wondering to spent my time. Now I am finishing it and I think my new maiden will be in one month. Now, I realize that with the huge amount of money spent in my 1/8 scale including the new fuse, I surely was able to get a new 1/6 scale. And is that for a camo version, I think that 1/6 scale is more easy to see at those speeds.:D Of course that those are projects for more than two years to get all together ready to flyas LGM Graphix said. Get it back flying they are great sport jets. David |
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ORIGINAL: jeteffx I have been looking on the jets classified section and have counted atleast 9 jets that the asking price is atleast over $12,000.00. I'm just wondering, given the state of the economy, would anyone really pay that type of money for a model plane? I mean even if you were a millionare, I'd question your sanity for paying such an outrageous price for a model. I do feel that most guys on here price their models to a point where someone could afford to buy it. When someone prices a model in the $15,000 to $19,000, are you really wanting to sell it ,or just bragging that have the ability to spend that type of money on a model. just wondering, Perry To answer your question, Yes! They are really wanting to sell their jets for 15k or 19K or whatever you see. Those 15K-20K jets you see are probably actually priced below what these folks actually have invested in them. No one that I know of places an add on RCU just to brag. That would be a waste of time dude. If I had the money, I would buy that Airworld BAe Hawk for 16K in a heartbeat! Only when you have been in the hobby for some time can you appreciate the real costs of these jets. Andy |
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Would that AW Hawk fly off of grass?
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David, thanks for your comments. Lets clarify something: My F-16 was not a Tamjets, it was a Skymaster (Tamjets was only the ordinance kit) and the cost went up because all the accesories I have installed. Without accesories like lights, transmitter and receiver (assuming to use existing transmitter and receiver), telemetry, ordinance, smoke pump, etc., and assuming that I am living in the states, so there is no shipping cost to Colombia, the price went down to $ 7.500.oo pretty close to one turnkey F-16.
Hope to be back to jets soon.:) BRG Guillermo |
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ORIGINAL: FalconWings ORIGINAL: Guillermo Ibanez I spent $ 10.897 in my Skymaster F-16 1/8 including lights, Eagle Tree Telemetry with GPS, Tam Jets ordinance Kit, Futaba 12FGA 2.4 Ghz radio, etc.during last year and when I tried to sell it with no more than 3 hours of flight in $ 13.000.oo, including my labor to assemble it, just one guy in spain was interested, but many people said that according to the economy last year, nobody were goig to be interested. When I saw the prices for the same jet but used, I decided to keep it. The price were no more that $ 6.500 without transmitter for one ready to fly. My intention was to change mine for one used 1/6 scale tha t I never found. (just one in the Symaster web page but too expensive). Some months later, I crashed it due to a battery failure and I went to my bank, and get a loan to by a new fuselage. I don´t earn as much money as to spent these amount of money in a hobby but it is my hobby and is what I am wondering to spent my time. Now I am finishing it and I think my new maiden will be in one month. Now, I realize that with the huge amount of money spent in my 1/8 scale including the new fuse, I surely was able to get a new 1/6 scale. And is that for a camo version, I think that 1/6 scale is more easy to see at those speeds.:D Of course that those are projects for more than two years to get all together ready to flyas LGM Graphix said. Get it back flying they are great sport jets. David Hope to be back to jets soon.:) BRG Guillermo |
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Any one play golf!!:D
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There is a BVM Ultra Bandit for sale in the RCU jet classifieds for $9,900.00
Still in the boxes, never started building it. List price for the package he has is $12, 500.00, not including about $300.00 in shipping costs.. Worth it? Hell yes! It is a bargain. No waiting list either. |
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ORIGINAL: SDCrashmaster Would that AW Hawk fly off of grass? |
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I have been looking on the jets classified section and have counted atleast 9 jets that the asking price is atleast over $12,000.00. I'm just wondering, given the state of the economy, would anyone really pay that type of money for a model plane? I guess that it is possible, and perhaps he would sign the check with this Visconti $42.200,00 pen. :) |
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ORIGINAL: jeteffx Well actually with a boat, car, motorcycle or even a small plane like a C-152 you could actually get a loan for say 10,15 or $20,000. So to answer your question, there is a REAL dollar VALUE on a car, boat, motorcycle, ect.... A big part of the reason why our economy is in the state it is in is because people were able to (and did) get loans for "toys". In my opinion most of those things you listed shouldn't be purchased unless you have the ability to pay cash for them, and that goes double for a model airplane. Personally I can't afford to spend that kind of cash for a toy either, that's why I build my own kits and scratch build a lot of my parts. There are many out there who can afford to shell out the cash though, and I say more power to them. |
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Another problem is some people try and get compensated for their "time" when selling jets. T'aint gonna happen. |
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This has got to be the dumbest thread ever...Perry, I own the Black Bunny and it is evident that you can't fathom the quality and cost of the equipment that goes into a model like this. It has the best of everything in it, and thats alot more than your 4-5000 plane. The kit alone cost more than that...now outfit it! Get a life pal and open your check book just once...you will never make remarks (or idiotic forums like this waste of space). There realy just isn't any point...NONE. I have just in parts about what I am asking, and and I am not just "stroking my ego". It is for sale for reasons you wouldn't understand and regretfully so.
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To the starter of this thread.
I believe the jets in question can be for sale for a number of reasons.From my experiance with this hobby,he is asking fair market value probaly less.Any way it is the individuals buisiness for what reason he or she is selling the fine aircraft.You have to understand.Hobbies are all relative.I am into r/c,automobiles and motorcycles.There will alway's be some one out there who would not understand the commitment to one's hobby.Some time I wish I only had one hobby.Than I could afford the best that particular hobby has to offer me. I am an average gentleman with an average salary.I make due with my extra funds to afford the things in my hobbies I want.I could not afford to buy one of jets.But in time I will own one.I found out in life,patience is the key to success.What we can't have today we will have tommorow.But believe me.Their are quite a few individuals out there that these prices for these jets is a drop in the bucket to them. So I hope this answers your question. Best regards, retlaw |
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I just bought an Ultra Bandit.
I just bought a matchbox corvette. 'cause I can. They both cost me more that I could afford at the time, but I wanted them so bad, at that time, I made it happen. Raf |
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It's all relative!!!
To some, $100.00 is like a $1.00 to another, you buy what you can afford or make allowances in your lifestyle to get what you really want. Top dollar models are no different than most things in life, in most cases theres a good reason why it cost that much. Add up whats in it for equipment and that comes to a nice little total to start. Then Throw in some labor (or lots of labor) and it doesn't take long to have a upper teen priced model. I sure do thank the guys that can afford to have guys like me build because that is how I afford it. And the ones that can afford the high priced spread like it for good reason, a quality built model that flies and looks great. |
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Jet Time,
why are you slamming that I only put 4-5000 into a plane. This was basically a pole to find out how many would actually spend the thousands you do on your model. It's not that I don't understand the time, commitment, and love for the hobby. I do. It appears that I've hit a nerve, and if I have.......well hmmmnnn. I just don't understand, I never said any of the jets were not fair market value, but I do agree with one person who said you never re-coup your labor. If you can afford to spend thousands so be it, but if you can't its cool too. |
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ORIGINAL: jeteffx Jet Time, why are you slamming that I only put 4-5000 into a plane. This was basically a pole to find out how many would actually spend the thousands you do on your model. It's not that I don't understand the time, commitment, and love for the hobby. I do. It appears that I've hit a nerve, and if I have.......well hmmmnnn. I just don't understand, I never said any of the jets were not fair market value, but I do agree with one person who said you never re-coup your labor. If you can afford to spend thousands so be it, but if you can't its cool too. No, that's not what you asked. The nerve you hit was "questioning someone's sanity for paying such a price" and "are they just bragging" advertising a jet for sale at said price. The latter I just don't get. Your "pole" implies how many of us are nuts enough to spend that kind of money - nothing more. As stated before, it's all relative. No difference in spending $20,000 on a Pontiac or $120,000 on a Lambo. If you can, you can and if you can't (or won't), what is the purpose of asking why? Nothing wrong with flying 5 grand around the field vs. 15 grand either. I belong to the 3 - 5 grand crowd, and my wife thinks I should be commited for that figure, and I'm just getting started at this jet thing. Fly what you can and have fun doing it, Dan P.S. I also drive the Pontiac;) |
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Split S,
there are times where an individual cannot possibly sell any type of item becuase of there aren't alot of people willing to part with that type of cash.So a person just wants to show off his jet and "look at me", "look how much I spent on the model" We are fortunate to have companies like JHH, Global Jet Club, and such where the average "Joe" can get by with only spending a few grand to get into the air. Plus the jets we build and fly really don't have a value except to the person that it belongs to. They are not real estate, commercial property, they don't trade on the stock market. It's only here on RCU and other like places that these models have value. |
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To the OP..
Take your money and dont buy a $4-5000 total cost airplane/ Now, go buy a kit.. build it. Then paint it, then buy all the "little" stuff for it, then buy the landing gear, then the wheels, then the brakes, then the servo's, then the extensions, and all of the other stuff that it takes to finish it. And you will quickly realize that the asking cost for alot of the used Big jet models is very reasonable. I will admit. i had NO idea how people could ask $10,000 + for a "model" jet. THEN i purchased a Yellow Aircraft F-18 twin kit. I invested over $600 in JUST the air system alone, and i used the old school valve/servo route, i didn't do any of the new electronic valve stuff. Then i had to buy the fuel system.. Put down another $1000. Then extensions, yea those were about $400 total. I got a Great deal on the plane used w/ the gear, wheels, brakes and door cylinders already installed at $2500. Oh tailpipes and bypass's add another $800.. The "BIG" Jets have ALOT of stuff in them. And 50% of it is all the "little" odds and ends that most dont think about unless your building it (T fittings, air line, valves, etc etc etc). When you build one of these big turbine jets, you gain a WHOLE new impression and respect for all the big money jets that are for sale. Now, there are some new build jets in the classifieds that i think are over priced and the owner/seller is trying to get money for their time, but 90% of the jets on there are very reasonable in cost. Now if i just had that $600 to buy that hanger 9 PTS F-22 ive always wanted i could die a happy man! :D |
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Hey invertmast, I'll give 600 for the yellow F-18 sight unseen. I will agree that prices are high on some jets, but if I had it to do again I would spend 10k in a heartbeat on a bigger jet than spend the 20k I did last year on the four I built. I do not regret building the four I have, PST Reaction, Tams F-16, shockjet, FeiBao F-86. but no sooner than finishing them I was left wanting bigger and better jets. I would love to have Lowells black bunny, it is a work of art.
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Dan, well said and right on!!
Thomas W I think you got it! Kevin, thanks for the kind words...you understand. As for "jeteffx", It's evedent you have no idea what goes into research, money and time to put one of these together in a first class manner. I do take affense to your comment "look at me" "see what I spent"....that is so far from the truth. If YOU must know, I am in this thing over $18,000 and that isn't bragging, just a fact. Did I put that in the ad? No. Am I trying to recover 10 months of labor? No. I love phantoms and have had over 15 of them. This one is truelly my favorite and have priced it VERY fairly. I just want to see it go to someone that will enjoy it. Just for the record, you shouldn't speak about a subject when your brain isn't equiped to do so. Thanks to all of you that do understand....I do appreciate the nice comments. Lowell Wexler "jet time" |
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ORIGINAL: seflyer Hey invertmast, I'll give 600 for the yellow F-18 sight unseen. I will agree that prices are high on some jets, but if I had it to do again I would spend 10k in a heartbeat on a bigger jet than spend the 20k I did last year on the four I built. I do not regret building the four I have, PST Reaction, Tams F-16, shockjet, FeiBao F-86. but no sooner than finishing them I was left wanting bigger and better jets. I would love to have Lowells black bunny, it is a work of art. Kevin LOL... i had it listed for sale for awhile at $6000 w/o turbines and it was practically ready to fly (install turbines, balance, and clearcoat and go). I had well over $10k invested in it. But i agree i've got a Eurosport and a BVM Bandit right now and i'm wanting something big again. I'm debating on another YA F-18 twin, or saving my lunch money for the FB F-14 |
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No problem Lowell, ya, I get it, much to my wallets demise:D
Thomas, I feel ya there, I built the 120 powered reaction to get the adrenaline flowing again, but it does not have the presence in the air I thought it would. looking towards a big bug next. surprisingly my shockjet gets flown most of all, six foot take off roll to a vertical climbout is the norm with the P-70, and dropping it in with 90 degrees of flaps at below walking speed is a hoot.:D Kevin |
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ORIGINAL: jeteffx Split S, there are times where an individual cannot possibly sell any type of item becuase of there aren't alot of people willing to part with that type of cash.So a person just wants to show off his jet and "look at me", "look how much I spent on the model" |
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