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Back in the day (before I decided to take the shape of Jabba the Hut) I stopped flying models so that I could receive aerobatics instruction in a Decathlon. I could not afford to fund two hobbies. I'm here to tell you that when the adrenaline's flowing, you can bet the cash is flowing as fast if not faster. If you don't think someone could spend 10k and up on a model, you just don't know what it takes to make some people happy. Heck, I did not give up on recreational drugs because I wanted to- I just couldn't afford to cut back on my plane budget to get the money!!:D- Frank
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Gordon,
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I personaly think as far as sanity goes on buying a model airplane for $15 to $20k if the guy can aford to buy it and can lose the money if it crashes
thats fine, its the people that i see spend money they don't have and can't aford to lose that kills me.. they charge there new jet to the credit card and next thing you know they have 9 or 10k on there card and it its secound flite its batt died and now its all over the ground and for what? just to run with the big dogs.. i would love to have the extra money to buy a big highend jet but i have to stay on the porch with the little dogs. to compare a model jet with a boat or car i don't think so, try to get full coverege ins on the jet and they would prob say no, and to get a loan on one it will not stand good for its self as colateral and if it did they wouldn't let you fly it[&o] its just not the same. models are expendable you crash you lose i had a bvm t33 with 18lbs thrust turbin, yellow f-16, jhh jets and byron, i have never flown a model worth more than the bvm t33, i would like to know however does a 20k model fly like it cost that much? can a guy have as good a time flying a $5k model? if you got two of the same airframes and spend 20k on one and 5k on the othere could you tell it? and IMO there is that few that think they have to have the most expensive or the big'st at the field.. now don't nobody get mad its just MO. ive been around a few that think that way. |
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ORIGINAL: FalconWings You don't really need to be rich. A Dr or a lawyer (I should say a good one) can esily grease more than a million a year. With that kind of a salary and some good investements..........you could buy a lot of model jets over the years. A $20,000 model is just pennies when you make 7 figures. There are a LOT of modelers making that much money in Florida. I personally know Cardiologists that make $40K a week. That's two Ultra Bandit's a week. :D Also know some good lawyers that made $1500 an hour, and are now in jail. [:@] David Lawyers in jail???? Well, that'a a start! Let's keep going in that direction and maybe the trend will spread to D.C. Les |
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I have been looking on the jets classified section and have counted atleast 9 jets that the asking price is atleast over $12,000.00. I'm just wondering, given the state of the economy, would anyone really pay that type of money for a model plane? When someone prices a model in the $15,000 to $19,000, are you really wanting to sell it ,or just bragging that have the ability to spend that type of money on a model. I'll start with mine. - John. |
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ORIGINAL: ama234 ORIGINAL: FalconWings You don't really need to be rich. A Dr or a lawyer (I should say a good one) can esily grease more than a million a year. With that kind of a salary and some good investements..........you could buy a lot of model jets over the years. A $20,000 model is just pennies when you make 7 figures. There are a LOT of modelers making that much money in Florida. I personally know Cardiologists that make $40K a week. That's two Ultra Bandit's a week. :D Also know some good lawyers that made $1500 an hour, and are now in jail. [:@] David Lawyers in jail???? Well, that'a a start! Let's keep going in that direction and maybe the trend will spread to D.C. Les Drove to the new field last weekend.............dude it is up near Crowley....no longer a 10 minute drive [:o] |
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BTW,
There was a guy in our club that charged something like $20 an hour to teach how to fly. True, no one else charges anything. Well, I saw officers from my club yell what sounded like profanity to this guy becaue he charged for flight lessons. Turned out, this guy was Paul Metz........TEST PILOT OF THE F-22 RAPTOR. I thought that he was charging a very reasonable fee, and he had customers willing to pay it. I'd pay that fee just to hear his flight test stories. Then again we would end up with the $1500 lawyer because it's probably all classified. [8D] |
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ORIGINAL: invertmastTo the OP..Take your money and dont buy a $4-5000 total cost airplane/Now, go buy a kit.. build it. Then paint it, then buy all the "little" stuff for it, then buy the landing gear, then the wheels, then the brakes, then the servo's, then the extensions, and all of the other stuff that it takes to finish it. And you will quickly realize that the asking cost for alot of the used Big jet models is very reasonable.I will admit. i had NO idea how people could ask $10,000 + for a "model" jet. THEN i purchased a Yellow Aircraft F-18 twin kit. I invested over $600 in JUST the air system alone, and i used the old school valve/servo route, i didn't do any of the new electronic valve stuff. Then i had to buy the fuel system.. Put down another $1000. Then extensions, yea those were about $400 total. I got a Great deal on the plane used w/ the gear, wheels, brakes and door cylinders already installed at $2500. Oh tailpipes and bypass's add another $800..The "BIG" Jets have ALOT of stuff in them. And 50% of it is all the "little" odds and ends that most dont think about unless your building it (T fittings, air line, valves, etc etc etc). When you build one of these big turbine jets, you gain a WHOLE new impression and respect for all the big money jets that are for sale.Now, there are some new build jets in the classifieds that i think are over priced and the owner/seller is trying to get money for their time, but 90% of the jets on there are very reasonable in cost.Now if i just had that $600 to buy that hanger 9 PTS F-22 ive always wanted i could die a happy man! :D F-16 ARF Plus Kit USD 3.195,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 345,00 Jetcat P80 Turbine USD 2.545,00 FOD Screen P-80 USD 29,95 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 60,00 Air Gauges (Pair) USD 29,50 BVM Air Micro Switch USD 25,00 Tamjets Landing Gear Fail Safe System USD 109,95 Robart Variable Rate Control Valve USD 29,95 Tamjets EZ Extension Safety Clips (Package of 10) (3) USD 18,87 ED 48" Buffered Extension (3) - Futaba J USD 21,00 ED 36" Buffered Extension (4) - Futaba J USD 32,00 ED 24" Buffered Extension (1) - Futaba J USD 8,00 ED Sun-Vis Basic Tx Conrolled System USD 119,00 ED Sun-Vis Battery Pack USD 18,00 ED Sun -Vis White Landing Lamp (5 additionals) USD 99,75 ED Sun-Vis Red Navigation Lamp (2 additionals) USD 39,90 ED Sun-Vis Green Navigation Lamp (2 additionals) USD 39,90 ED Sun-Vis White Navigation Lamp USD 19,95 ED Sun-Vis Red Strobe USD 29,95 Additional ED Dual RC Switch USD 29,95 Additional EDR 117 D$ 4 way distributor (2) USD 25,90 EDR Cable Extension (6) USD 35,70 Electrodynamics EDR 124 Batmon Lite 6.0V - Futaba J USD 14,95 Electrodynamics EDR 124 Batmon Lite 4.8V - Futaba J USD 14,95 EDR 118 Regulator Pro USD 32,95 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Clips for 6mm tubing and Tygon Fuel Tubing (3) USD 12,00 Jetcat Smoke Pump System (Inyectors for P-70) USD 249,95 Sanyo 3600 Ni-MH ECU Battery Pack USD 69,99 Sanyo 3600 Ni-MH ECU Battery Pack USD 69,99 Airwild Aluminum servo arm for Futaba 9152 elevator (2) USD 60,89 Tamjets Ordinance Kit USD 350,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Servos Futaba (Ailerons and Rudder) USD 257,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Futaba 9152 elevator servos (2) USD 219,98 Futaba Servo for retract USD 14,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Epoxies, Cyanos, Finishin resins, fuel lines, etc. USD 150,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Hobbico 6.0 V 4.200 mAH (Include shipping) USD 73,98 Futaba 2.4 Ghz 12FGA 12 channels transmitter/receiver USD 1.200,00 Fuel accesories USD 100,00 Futaba 12FGA Trainer cord USD 40,00 Shipping Cost to Miami 10 Eagle Tree Pro Telemetry System USD 500,00 GPS Expander USD 150,00 Jet ECU Expander USD 25,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 25,00 Total USD 10,597.85 Plus: Shipping to from Miami to Colombia: USD 300.00 Plus: Assemblying USD ??????? If you want a Jet, it will cost a lot (this is only 1/8 scale. 1/6's will be more money) and if you fly RC, you know you can lose a lot in a crash as it happened to me. And I don't feel bad... is my hobby, is my dream and I will continue to fight to get it. |
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ORIGINAL: FalconWings BTW, There was a guy in our club that charged something like $20 an hour to teach how to fly. True, no one else charges anything. Well, I saw officers from my club yell what sounded like profanity to this guy becaue he charged for flight lessons. Turned out, this guy was Paul Metz........TEST PILOT OF THE F-22 RAPTOR. I thought that he was charging a very reasonable fee, and he had customers willing to pay it. I was an officer of a club where this very topic came up a number of times, and where the club had to forbid paid flight instruction on site because it is a condition of their lease that no 'for profit activity' take place on club premises - and the landowner reminded us of that condition periodically. Us allowing some guy to make a few bucks on the side could have risked losing the field for hundreds of other members. Even activities such as a swap-meet can get some clubs in hot water with their landowner. Now, I don't know the conditions of the specific club that you mention, so their case could very well be different - I'm simply pointing out that there can often be much more to the issue than you are seeing at the surface. Gordon |
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(To my Wife, in case she is reading this)
My current price list is: Turbine: cheap Radio and servos: cheap Chinese kit with landing gear : almost free Fuel and oil for a few dozens of flights: not worth to account. P.S. Honey, don´t believe in the prices of the jet adds.. in the U.S. people use to give huge discounts after some negotiations, and in Guillermo´s country they pay a lot of taxes on modelling products. |
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Classic ! Good Job Enrique ;)
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Pretty soon the lawyers will have all of the common folks money and they'll have to go after each other.[>:]
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ORIGINAL: Gordon Mc Classic ! Good Job Enrique ;) |
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ORIGINAL: FalconWings BTW, There was a guy in our club that charged something like $20 an hour to teach how to fly. True, no one else charges anything. Well, I saw officers from my club yell what sounded like profanity to this guy becaue he charged for flight lessons. Turned out, this guy was Paul Metz........TEST PILOT OF THE F-22 RAPTOR. I thought that he was charging a very reasonable fee, and he had customers willing to pay it. I'd pay that fee just to hear his flight test stories. Then again we would end up with the $1500 lawyer because it's probably all classified. [8D] I met Paul in our shop at Lockheed a while back and I thought that he was a pretty nice guy. But nice guy or not, he shouldn't be charging people to teach them how to fly. The thought of making it even MORE expensive for someone to get started in this hobby is absurd. If he feels that because he's a fighter aircraft test pilot he can get compensated for his 'knowledge' at the flying field then he has some ego issues that ought to be left at the gate. Just think of how many people are flying R/C and how many of them were taught how to fly by others for free compared to the ones that make you pay for it. It kind of takes the personal friendship / camaraderie out of the hobby. Les |
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ORIGINAL: Guillermo Ibanez ORIGINAL: invertmastTo the OP..Take your money and dont buy a $4-5000 total cost airplane/Now, go buy a kit.. build it. Then paint it, then buy all the "little" stuff for it, then buy the landing gear, then the wheels, then the brakes, then the servo's, then the extensions, and all of the other stuff that it takes to finish it. And you will quickly realize that the asking cost for alot of the used Big jet models is very reasonable.I will admit. i had NO idea how people could ask $10,000 + for a "model" jet. THEN i purchased a Yellow Aircraft F-18 twin kit. I invested over $600 in JUST the air system alone, and i used the old school valve/servo route, i didn't do any of the new electronic valve stuff. Then i had to buy the fuel system.. Put down another $1000. Then extensions, yea those were about $400 total. I got a Great deal on the plane used w/ the gear, wheels, brakes and door cylinders already installed at $2500. Oh tailpipes and bypass's add another $800..The "BIG" Jets have ALOT of stuff in them. And 50% of it is all the "little" odds and ends that most dont think about unless your building it (T fittings, air line, valves, etc etc etc). When you build one of these big turbine jets, you gain a WHOLE new impression and respect for all the big money jets that are for sale.Now, there are some new build jets in the classifieds that i think are over priced and the owner/seller is trying to get money for their time, but 90% of the jets on there are very reasonable in cost.Now if i just had that $600 to buy that hanger 9 PTS F-22 ive always wanted i could die a happy man! :D F-16 ARF Plus Kit USD 3.195,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 345,00 Jetcat P80 Turbine USD 2.545,00 FOD Screen P-80 USD 29,95 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 60,00 Air Gauges (Pair) USD 29,50 BVM Air Micro Switch USD 25,00 Tamjets Landing Gear Fail Safe System USD 109,95 Robart Variable Rate Control Valve USD 29,95 Tamjets EZ Extension Safety Clips (Package of 10) (3) USD 18,87 ED 48" Buffered Extension (3) - Futaba J USD 21,00 ED 36" Buffered Extension (4) - Futaba J USD 32,00 ED 24" Buffered Extension (1) - Futaba J USD 8,00 ED Sun-Vis Basic Tx Conrolled System USD 119,00 ED Sun-Vis Battery Pack USD 18,00 ED Sun -Vis White Landing Lamp (5 additionals) USD 99,75 ED Sun-Vis Red Navigation Lamp (2 additionals) USD 39,90 ED Sun-Vis Green Navigation Lamp (2 additionals) USD 39,90 ED Sun-Vis White Navigation Lamp USD 19,95 ED Sun-Vis Red Strobe USD 29,95 Additional ED Dual RC Switch USD 29,95 Additional EDR 117 D$ 4 way distributor (2) USD 25,90 EDR Cable Extension (6) USD 35,70 Electrodynamics EDR 124 Batmon Lite 6.0V - Futaba J USD 14,95 Electrodynamics EDR 124 Batmon Lite 4.8V - Futaba J USD 14,95 EDR 118 Regulator Pro USD 32,95 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Clips for 6mm tubing and Tygon Fuel Tubing (3) USD 12,00 Jetcat Smoke Pump System (Inyectors for P-70) USD 249,95 Sanyo 3600 Ni-MH ECU Battery Pack USD 69,99 Sanyo 3600 Ni-MH ECU Battery Pack USD 69,99 Airwild Aluminum servo arm for Futaba 9152 elevator (2) USD 60,89 Tamjets Ordinance Kit USD 350,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Servos Futaba (Ailerons and Rudder) USD 257,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Futaba 9152 elevator servos (2) USD 219,98 Futaba Servo for retract USD 14,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Epoxies, Cyanos, Finishin resins, fuel lines, etc. USD 150,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 10,00 Hobbico 6.0 V 4.200 mAH (Include shipping) USD 73,98 Futaba 2.4 Ghz 12FGA 12 channels transmitter/receiver USD 1.200,00 Fuel accesories USD 100,00 Futaba 12FGA Trainer cord USD 40,00 Shipping Cost to Miami 10 Eagle Tree Pro Telemetry System USD 500,00 GPS Expander USD 150,00 Jet ECU Expander USD 25,00 Shipping Cost to Miami USD 25,00 Total USD 10,597.85 Plus: Shipping to from Miami to Colombia: USD 300.00 Plus: Assemblying USD ??????? If you want a Jet, it will cost a lot (this is only 1/8 scale. 1/6's will be more money) and if you fly RC, you know you can lose a lot in a crash as it happened to me. And I don't feel bad... is my hobby, is my dream and I will continue to fight to get it. |
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ORIGINAL: ama234 But nice guy or not, he shouldn't be charging people to teach them how to fly. The thought of making it even MORE expensive for someone to get started in this hobby is absurd. If he feels that because he's a fighter aircraft test pilot he can get compensated for his 'knowledge' at the flying field then he has some ego issues that ought to be left at the gate. Just think of how many people are flying R/C and how many of them were taught how to fly by others for free compared to the ones that make you pay for it. It kind of takes the personal friendship / camaraderie out of the hobby. Les It should also be mentioned that charging for flight instruction is considered a commercial venture which will void his insurance coverage by the AMA. I would think the club officers would want to put a stop to it based on that alone. |
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ORIGINAL: erbroens (To my Wife, in case she is reading this) My current price list is: Turbine: cheap Radio and servos: cheap Chinese kit with landing gear : almost free Fuel and oil for a few dozens of flights: not worth to account. P.S. Honey, don´t believe in the prices of the jet adds.. in the U.S. people use to give huge discounts after some negotiations, and in Guillermo´s country they pay a lot of taxes on modelling products. Hope my wife don´t read this:D Although she knows exactly the amount I paid for my F-16, and the amount I paid for a new fuse and turbine repair, she only want since a while, a new kicthen for our home:) I know thai if I give her a new kitchen, I will have green light for anothe jet.;) Happy woman, happy life:D P.S.: Honey please wait me 6 months more please[8D] |
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Mr. Wexler,
for your information I do know what goes into building such a model. I built a Y/A F18 a few years ago, and did spend about $7000 not including RAM 1000 turbine. I do know what research and engineering is required to build a such a model as yours. For your information I have been in the aircraft maint. field for 32 yeras, and typed rated in a Cessna Citation Bravo. I'm just inquiring to see if anyone is willing to spend that much on a jet these days. If you can afford it, more power to you. I do agree with the one gentleman that had said there are some that really get caught up in the moment of building a jet at times, and do charge more than they can afford. Is there really that much more research and such that goes into a $15000 model versus a $5000 one? If there is it's not much. In my fleet right now I have a JHH A7,$5000 including turbine, a TAMJETS A4, $1000 for just the kit, a Y/A F16, $2200 (no turbine), and a Beech Staggerwing,$2000, so that adds up to alittle over $10,000 for 4 airplanes. So as far as your statement of I don't know how to open my wallet is far from the truth. I personally just won't spend the big ticket money anymore. Just like the one gentleman said on here, does your F4 fly any better than say the TJ A4 I have? I know one thing, they all make the same sound when they crash. |
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ORIGINAL: erbroens (To my Wife, in case she is reading this) My current price list is: Turbine: cheap Radio and servos: cheap Chinese kit with landing gear : almost free Fuel and oil for a few dozens of flights: not worth to account. P.S. Honey, don´t believe in the prices of the jet adds.. in the U.S. people use to give huge discounts after some negotiations, and in Guillermo´s country they pay a lot of taxes on modelling products. Let us understand that cheap mean "average" that means good quality, because cheap is usually understood as poor quality and in this hobby (I mean in the RC jets), the word cheap associated with poor quality means "crash":D |
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Jets never crash... all those youtube videos are fake!
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Mine crashed on August 10/08 at a cost of 35% of the total cost and is not in youtube. So this is not a fake crash[X(]
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The difference is quality....they do fly similar but not always the same. They often stay together longer. My A-10 KIT was over 12,000 with nothing in it...now outfit and your not bragging, just with a lot less in your checking account.You do get what you pay for. I currently have several jets in the hanger and this is with out a doubt the nicest AND the most expensive. Good luck with your flying, your planes and the level of quality you like and spend your money on. I will do the same.
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I would rather say instead that it was a unfortunate incident with your plane, with some light damage that can be easily repaired at some expense, greately increased by Colombia´s tax policy. ;) I am sure that you´ll be flying again soon!
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ORIGINAL: jeteffx For your information I have been in the aircraft maint. field for 32 yeras, and typed rated in a Cessna Citation Bravo. Based on your own 'logic', should we assume that you are "showing off and saying 'look at me', 'look how much I spent to be able to fly that Cessna' ?? Gordon |
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My take (for what it's worth)... If you truly wanted to get "a feel" for what people may or may not buy and/or how much they would pay for an item, I would have recommended that you write the post in the form of a "poll" or multiple "polls"... that way you would stay clear of any "personal attacks" or whatever, and get some hard data that could help you better understand the market and how it is developing or not-developing... you could get real intricate as well, and direct the people to a complex poll where you could get all sorts of data, like how demographics play into it, in many forms... be that location, age, income range, mental stability (j/k - had to throw that in), etc.... you get the drift, I am sure.... I think you could have some fun with it, as well as it would be interesting to see the results (at least for me, I love data, marketing, etc.)
Best of luck. Don |
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