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Old 02-24-2008 | 10:36 AM
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Hello to all
I have completed my ZN Synergy Line. My first engine I had planned was a YS 140 Dingo. Now, some time later, I built in a Pletti 30-10 Evo. The perfect engine for F3A. With the Oxalys has come also the T-Canalizer. About Synergy there is nothing more to say. Simply a perfect model aircraft. About the T-Canalizer has also been much written. I would like all sceptics say try it out. Try it. I say only insanity, super. Even more perfect. I use the orig. T-Canalizer of ZN-Line. More pictures on my website. http://members.aon.at/crazyf3a/Synergy.htm Sorry it is only in German. But pictures are international.
The T-Canalizer is perfect for the Synergy.
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Old 03-04-2008 | 03:13 AM
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Dear RCU moderator,

Yesterday I sent a msg in this thread but for some reason it was deleted without notification. Is there a particular reason for that? I think that the message sent was relevant to the subject.

Anyway I would like again to ask creazyf3a about the angle he has placed the T-Canaliser on Synergy and also how he placed the T-Canaliser on the fiberglass base. There are no instructions in the kit that's why asking.

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Old 03-04-2008 | 06:01 AM
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Hi Nikos
I had yesterday also problems. [>:] Unfortunately, nothing fixation works. [:@] No messages nothing. [:@]
So, ok
I use the T-Canalizer kit from ZN-Line. (Balsa) Some details can be seen on my Web site. The angle should be 0.5 degrees to the elevator negative.
Messure the Elevator to 0 degrees and the T. Canalizer must be 0.5 degrees down. So the theory. You can read this on every thread. I think this is OK.
That measure is not easy. I have reviewed it and it did fit. I have flown my Synergy until this without the T-C. I open my mouth and I was told to me Wau is this great.
How I build my T-Canalizer.
In Canalizer are two long slits. In this I have glued two M3 Alu-Nuts. On top of the Fuselage ( Overside). I have glued a balsa wood with two holes for the M3 Nuts. And two half pants. CFK/Herex pasted into. The whole thing is screwed and disassembly. The canalizer is then bolted. Sorry I don't have more photos about building.

I am totally impressed by the T-Canalizer. And you certainly.
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Old 03-05-2008 | 09:19 AM
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Hi there,

Thanks for the answer. Have you coated the T-Can with Solarfilm covering in carbon scheme?

After building, sanding anc covering the T-Can, I plan to glue it with epoxy and cotton to the upper surface of the curved fiberglass base. I plan to sand the base before that. I don't think I will use M3 screws. Then the base will be installed behind the deck with clear tape. Do you think that will be ok?

Also here are some pics of my Synergy, powered by a YS 160 DZ. It flies well but don't have many flights . The rudder is a bit enlarged, also have the original one and will give it a try after installing the T-Can.

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Old 03-05-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Hi Nickolas.

I am also flying a ZN synergy.

May I ask why did you enlarge the rudder?
Old 03-05-2008 | 10:48 AM
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Hi Ram,

I did not to be honest, previous owner did. Main argument was to have a more effective rudder in cross wind, this is what was suggested to him by a well known pattern flier.. I plan to replace it as I don't like the looks of it. I believe that the the rudder will have more effect in the yaw axis with the T-Can so I will replace it with the stock one.

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Thanks Nickolas

I also thinking of adding a T-Can to my Synergy.
If it will works well I will consider build one to my Integral as well
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Ram,

You also have an Integral right? How would you compare the Integral with the Synergy, in terms of roll performance, integrated manouvers and speed both in horizontal and vertical flight?

I have an Integral with a YS 170 DZ on the bench and I am really curious to see how it will fly against the Synergy.

Thanks again,
Nikos
Old 03-05-2008 | 11:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: ram_z

If it will works well I will consider build one to my Integral as well
Hi again Ram,

Stephane Carrier suggests that Integral does not need a T-Can, the design is well optimised to fly without one. However there is a Swiss flier, Sylvain Pasini who flies his with one on with great results according to what he says. Here is the link:

http://icwww.epfl.ch/~pasini/index.p..._integral.html

About two months ago I was in Switzerland where I met his father in person (he has a model shop) and told me that the plane flies great with the T Can. This should be according to CPLR's specs, I have the original drawings that I can send in digital format.


Regards,
Nikos
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Hi Nickolas.

Both of my models fly's with 160DZ and APC 18.1X10

The Synergy is a very good model but in comparison to the integral it is much faster on vertical and also on down lines.
The rolling performance of the Integral are great both in high and low speed (Low speed requires low amount of rudder (.
Snaps are great!
About the integrated maneuvers, the Integral is also better!

Bottom line
The Integral is slower model and better performance then the Synergy.

Few month ago MR. Chip Hyde him self tested my model and he said "it fly's well!" his word is better then my word for sure

If you have any more question pleas ask!

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Old 03-05-2008 | 11:51 AM
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I know this link!
This is my inspiration for using T-can on my Integral ïŠ
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ORIGINAL: Nickolas

Hi there,

Thanks for the answer. Have you coated the T-Can with Solarfilm covering in carbon scheme?

After building, sanding anc covering the T-Can, I plan to glue it with epoxy and cotton to the upper surface of the curved fiberglass base.

Also here are some pics of my Synergy, powered by a YS 160 DZ. It flies well but don't have many flights . The rudder is a bit enlarged, also have the original one and will give it a try after installing the T-Can.

Regards,
Nikos



Hi Nikos
Yes I have coated with Oracover in Carbon Scheme.
At the Begin I have the Can. glued with a double tape. Both Sides. At the fourth flight by extreme Wind the Can. flow away. My Friend has seen him. So I have found my Can.
On the edge I have also done a tape. On all four sides. There was too little. I want to warn you. Please carefully Only screws through the fuselage keep the Can. Believe me.

I plan to glue it with epoxy and cotton to the upper surface of the curved fiberglass base.
That is not enoght. That is to little. OK

I think the Can. ist also perfect for Integral. and many other models. On Synergy it brings many Advantages. There has been a lot written about it. There is no Hocus Pocus. The rudder is with T-Can Big enough. The horiz. Speed can be slower with only little Rudder deflection.
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Old 04-07-2008 | 03:08 AM
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Hi,

Here are some pics of the T-Can installed on my Synergy.

Regards,
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Old 04-15-2008 | 05:00 AM
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Synergy was recently tested with the new T-Can setup. Pitch coupling in left KE was not elminated still have about 15% mix but now rolls better and slower. My CG currently is at 260mm from TE.

The T-Can base was fitted on the fuselage deck with 3M fibre tape. It was flown with pretty strong winds 4-5 bft and proved to be really solid.

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