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Eric -- Is that your Quest G2 on page 97 in this months issue??
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I had a really nice bunch of emails from Merle Hyde about his mounts. Come to find out the YS 91 / 110 have the EXACT same mounting holes and dimensions as the Saito 100 / 125. So a Hyde "A" mount will work for me. Merle has a few new things comming down the line soon. Like A type mounts with Aluminum beams, and you should be able to get them with or without predrilled holes. Merle is a really cool guy. If you ever need some info on Hyde mounts, drop him an email. ( [email protected])
Eric, a question for you.... When you beefed up the nose section, was that just because you are using a large heavy motor? Or would you deem it prudent for all applications? A little extra weight in the nose won't hurt me, but I am concerned about the braces under the canopy, and sealing the fuel compartment lid. I will keep the tank in the stock position. Glassing the LG area is always a good Idea, especially for those of us who have an occasional less than perfect landing! UPS promises to deliver on Friday..... and Saturday and Sunday they are predicting rain here.........My wife won't see me all weekend!! CC |
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It was one of mine. You have to look hard to see the differences between the old original Quets and the now available Quest-2
Even though the Quest is also a 3-D plane it is a very good pattern plane if dialed accordingly. I have seen Tumbler configure his with massive throws and "3-D" it to death. I prefer smooth and graceful so mine were set with servo-arms less than the horns in length and use around 100% of servo throw. Regards, Eric. ORIGINAL: kr9x Eric -- Is that your Quest G2 on page 97 in this months issue?? Jon |
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Glad you hooked up with Merle. He has been wonderful to deal with.
You do not have to beef up the QUEST. I did what I did because I was originally fitting a bigger tank amidships and into the canopy area. I also had to cut the firewall off the first one because I fitted a YS 1.40L The Quest 2 has a firewall for a radial mount. (The QUEST 1 used wooden beams). I noted that if you smacked a Quest into the weeds hard it would break. If you never do this then you would not need any doublers :) Knowing this, I put 1/8" lite-ply doublers on the sides. I also fitted harder ply to the U/C plate area because the blind nuts can pull through in a "prang". Also quite a few guys are putting a vertical 2" bandage "horseshoe", soaked in epoxy resin first, and then the doublers and the ply-plate. Hope this helps? Regards, Eric. ORIGINAL: corsaircrazy I had a really nice bunch of emails from Merle Hyde about his mounts. Come to find out the YS 91 / 110 have the EXACT same mounting holes and dimensions as the Saito 100 / 125. So a Hyde "A" mount will work for me. Merle has a few new things comming down the line soon. Like A type mounts with Aluminum beams, and you should be able to get them with or without predrilled holes. Merle is a really cool guy. If you ever need some info on Hyde mounts, drop him an email. ( [email protected]) Eric, a question for you.... When you beefed up the nose section, was that just because you are using a large heavy motor? Or would you deem it prudent for all applications? A little extra weight in the nose won't hurt me, but I am concerned about the braces under the canopy, and sealing the fuel compartment lid. I will keep the tank in the stock position. Glassing the LG area is always a good Idea, especially for those of us who have an occasional less than perfect landing! UPS promises to deliver on Friday..... and Saturday and Sunday they are predicting rain here.........My wife won't see me all weekend!! CC |
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Whats a "prang"
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Whats a "prang
Oh Eric...forgive us colonials... ;) JLK |
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"Prang" is RAF WW2-speak for something more than a good landing.
ORIGINAL: jlkonn Whats a "prang Oh Eric...forgive us colonials... ;) JLK |
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If you can prang it or bang it or land it on top of the corn, beans, or tall grass, I'm your man. Guess I will be doing a bit of strengthing. My old pattern bird did a very nice cartwheel when the wind cought the wing & over she went landing on the wheels with out even breaking the prop. Then there was that time when my mind went blank and I forgot to flare, taking out the LG block clean. Oh then there was the time that......
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Sometimes I forget to fly the plane to the ground for a smooth landing. Now I keep saying to myself "flare,flare,flare if I remember. If I dont I guess thats when it results in a "prang". But seriously folks, Is the CG of the quest at 168mm? and what do I set the rates at for pattern flying. Or howmuch deflection in the control surfaces.
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Start at 6.5" for cg & work back, throws set at sugested min for first flights
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ORIGINAL: JPal101 But seriously folks, Is the CG of the quest at 168mm? Anyway, it flies just fine and still requires a small amount of down elevator to maintain level inverted flight. |
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I thought the CG of any plane was a fixed point that can be moved slightly forward or backward. Here we have a difference of 2.5in. I have moved my tank rearward with the front lined up with the leading edge of the wing. Does anyone have that configuration?
How about it Eric, whats your opinion |
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What is the question?
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How you intend to fly the plane can make a big difference in CG. A plane with very light wing loading set up to fly 3D can have a CG that is much farther back than the norm. You know your way back when the plane wants to go into a harrier whenever you start to slow down. The CG range for a warbird is typically much tighter due to the higher wing loading and profile. Haveing the fuel tank on the CG can make a big differnce also, since you check it with the tank empty. One good point is that as you run out of fuel it should not change it too much. Also in many cases the recommended CG is very conservative (as in forward) to prevent bad results on the maiden flight.
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Hi Eric
Where is the CG on the quest. When I asked the question I received a range of 2.5 in from 6" to 8.5" from the leading edge. Since I am new to pattern and assembling my first pattern ship, where would you suggest the CG should be set. Remember I am flying a YS110 with a Hyde mount and the tank is mounted reward just behind the rear bulkhead of the original tank compartment. |
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Sounds like the plans recommend 165mm, which is 6.5" I'd start out there. With your set up you may have to add some nose weight to get there. I'm putting an OS 1.20AX one mine, tank in the forward position. I will mount the throttle servo up under the cowl and even the battery if needed to get the CG right without adding lead. This plane has such light wing loading and large control surfaces that I will not be worried during the maiden flight no matter where I end up with the CG.
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I set all of Quests at 165-mm from the LE. This is as per the instructions, no matter where the tank is situated. To get a plane that tracks well and stays locked on its heading it is importatnt to not go too far back with the CG because we are configuing this plane to fly precison aerobatics.
What you have on the front does not affect where you set the CG. Your tank postion will have very little effect on the flying charateristics as it empties. ORIGINAL: JPal101 Hi Eric Where is the CG on the quest. When I asked the question I received a range of 2.5 in from 6" to 8.5" from the leading edge. Since I am new to pattern and assembling my first pattern ship, where would you suggest the CG should be set. Remember I am flying a YS110 with a Hyde mount and the tank is mounted reward just behind the rear bulkhead of the original tank compartment. |
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Thanks Eric, that helps a lot. 165 mm
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My quest balances at 165mm with a 5cell 6volt in the tank compartment with the throttle servo and the receiver towards the trailing edge of the wing,almost at the wing mount. I have the elevator servo in the stock location with a pull, pull and the rudder servo in the rear.
Question: It is balancing at neutral, meaning the nose is neither up or down it is straight and level. If I nudge it either way that is the way it will end up. Down pressure send the nose down all the way and also for upward. I have never encountered this, is it correct? |
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Hi Eric
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I dont think I made that very clear, the battery and the throttle servo are in the tank compartment. The receiver is rearward just forward of the wing mount.
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For those considering the OS 120 AX; I found the cowling too tight a fit for a side mount (and too much cutting the cowl for the muffler), so I remounted the engine at about 124 degrees (costing me a second cowl $$). As it is, I cut the bottom of the cowl pretty significantly so I added a "roll bar" under the fuselage for screws to hold the bottom of the cowl. Note also, in this position, the muffler interferes with the firewall using the short extension, and the body of the muffler intersects the cowling with the long extension. I didn't pursue cutting down the long extension to try and get a perfect internal fit. Maybe you guys will find a better fit without having to experiment with cowlings! BTW - I also added some reinforcing glass to the inside of the cowling in key places where it "stretches" over the engine when installed/removed.
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I think your going to find out that the stock landing gear is a little weak. I would invest in some carbon fiber
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Seth, did you contemplate cutting off some of the firewall so you could leave off the muffler extension? It sure would be nice to tuck that muffler in a bit. I appreciate the heads up, since I am mounting the same engine on my plane. Looking forward to hearing how it flies.
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Can anyone tell me how to attach photos to the threads? I am almost complete in my assembly of my quest and I would like to share some of the work I have done. It might be helpful to others
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