Pershing questions
06-05-2010 | 07:54 AM
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RE: Pershing questions
Pah co chu puk, On the water can markings, check the region you are representing. Generally in Africa, both British and USA used a white stripe down, or even across the middle of the can....other units as some in Germany painted the round cap white. The cap on the Jerry can for water had a round disc shaped cap and some units (not all) painted the disc white. Some went even further and painted "potable" on cans used for drinking water as opposed to those cans that were old and getting rusty and used for wash water.
Although not a regulation, some units marked gas cans and those used for oil or solvent, to prevent mixing of same on refilling at supply depots. This was mainly for easy separation of cans for the QM people as they came in. 7th Inf Div in Korea (1951-58) used a red dot for gas and blue dot for oil cans, (on the side near the top) no specific marking for 5 gal water cans.
This info for those whose desire is to portray a model as is was actually used and not simply "don't care how it really was....I do it my way".
Googly, when I refered to My tank, I was alluding to my compliance with regulations governing safety within my unit. When I build a model, it is historically correct both in proper marking and stowage for that particular vehicle, irrespective of whether it was one of mine or from some other unit. Info I post is based on accuracy and geared toward those who care about being historically accurate and have not had the advantage of serving on a tank or learning first hand about the workings of one. I have received many thanks from people for info I have supplied. Those who complain the most are by en large, those who know nearly nothing about the subject matter and care less about anything factual other than what they percieve in pictures.
Although not a regulation, some units marked gas cans and those used for oil or solvent, to prevent mixing of same on refilling at supply depots. This was mainly for easy separation of cans for the QM people as they came in. 7th Inf Div in Korea (1951-58) used a red dot for gas and blue dot for oil cans, (on the side near the top) no specific marking for 5 gal water cans.
This info for those whose desire is to portray a model as is was actually used and not simply "don't care how it really was....I do it my way".
Googly, when I refered to My tank, I was alluding to my compliance with regulations governing safety within my unit. When I build a model, it is historically correct both in proper marking and stowage for that particular vehicle, irrespective of whether it was one of mine or from some other unit. Info I post is based on accuracy and geared toward those who care about being historically accurate and have not had the advantage of serving on a tank or learning first hand about the workings of one. I have received many thanks from people for info I have supplied. Those who complain the most are by en large, those who know nearly nothing about the subject matter and care less about anything factual other than what they percieve in pictures.
06-05-2010 | 08:26 AM
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RE: Pershing questions
My pershing is re-enacting euorpe WW II western front somewhere between normandy and the rhine. I know the pershing came into the war late, where all was the pershing deployed in euorpe?
What is the domed framework on the right front fender for? I have seen them in historical pix but nothing is inside the framework.
I would post a pic but I seem to be too dumb to figure out how. Even my 14 year old could not help me.
I will check in later, I must go to fire training now.
What is the domed framework on the right front fender for? I have seen them in historical pix but nothing is inside the framework.
I would post a pic but I seem to be too dumb to figure out how. Even my 14 year old could not help me.
I will check in later, I must go to fire training now.
06-05-2010 | 08:32 AM
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RE: Pershing questions
ORIGINAL: pattoncommander
Panther...picking whole sale nits again? Jerry cans carry anything, ID being the spout configuration and cap.
Water cans have a cam operated seal, but gas/oil cans have a 4 sided threaded cap that normally was opened and closed with a hammer or track jack bar. These were also vented and leaked, regardless of how tight the cap was on. In the case of water in some theaters, marked by a white stripe or lid painted white.
Cans hung/carried on the rear are usually OE-30 oil and there to catch the engine heat for ease of pouring. Water cans can be stashed anywhere, but usually around the turret rear/sides. If they got hit, all you get is a wet deck.
Fynsdad, quote as much as desire...on any of MY tanks, Jerry cans were NEVER laid flat. I experienced one tank fire and have no great desire to repeat it. In event of an engine compartment fire, if the initial shot from the main extinguishers fail to kill it, you can pretty much kiss the tank good bye. In spite of strict commanders or regulations, you will at times, see photos of AFVs with things not kosher with what should be done. Some TCs with limited experience, poor leadership or just stupidity cause things to go not IAW ''rules of the game''. That's how people get killed and equipment gets lost. A Jerry can that is hanging from a lifting eye with the spout upward...(look again at the photos) is NOT laying flat, but is stowed at an angle at which the oil will not easilly flow out. The way those cans are carried is good....if hit, it just runs off the fender onto the ground. If burning, very easy to cut it loose.
I did not obtain my knowledge of tank operations by reading books and looking at photos. I was out there working on them for 25 years from 120 to -35 farenheit. In this respect, I have more than a general idea of what goes where on a tank and why. As tank commander, platoon sgt or 1SG, it was my responsibility to insure that specific regulations were aheared to, particularly when it was a safety matter. Some regs you can let by, but not fire saftey.
Plastic RC tanks are considerably different, but considering the amount of detail, weathering and accuracy that goes into these tanks, it would be fair to assume (bad word) that some owners would care to be somewhat accurate in the stowage of items carried and be aware of the reasons for it being that way.
Jeff...water will burn if you mix it right. Gasoline and oil does not burn,,,fumes do...so keep it from leaking and stirring up fumes that are easy to ignite.
Panther...picking whole sale nits again? Jerry cans carry anything, ID being the spout configuration and cap.
Water cans have a cam operated seal, but gas/oil cans have a 4 sided threaded cap that normally was opened and closed with a hammer or track jack bar. These were also vented and leaked, regardless of how tight the cap was on. In the case of water in some theaters, marked by a white stripe or lid painted white.
Cans hung/carried on the rear are usually OE-30 oil and there to catch the engine heat for ease of pouring. Water cans can be stashed anywhere, but usually around the turret rear/sides. If they got hit, all you get is a wet deck.
Fynsdad, quote as much as desire...on any of MY tanks, Jerry cans were NEVER laid flat. I experienced one tank fire and have no great desire to repeat it. In event of an engine compartment fire, if the initial shot from the main extinguishers fail to kill it, you can pretty much kiss the tank good bye. In spite of strict commanders or regulations, you will at times, see photos of AFVs with things not kosher with what should be done. Some TCs with limited experience, poor leadership or just stupidity cause things to go not IAW ''rules of the game''. That's how people get killed and equipment gets lost. A Jerry can that is hanging from a lifting eye with the spout upward...(look again at the photos) is NOT laying flat, but is stowed at an angle at which the oil will not easilly flow out. The way those cans are carried is good....if hit, it just runs off the fender onto the ground. If burning, very easy to cut it loose.
I did not obtain my knowledge of tank operations by reading books and looking at photos. I was out there working on them for 25 years from 120 to -35 farenheit. In this respect, I have more than a general idea of what goes where on a tank and why. As tank commander, platoon sgt or 1SG, it was my responsibility to insure that specific regulations were aheared to, particularly when it was a safety matter. Some regs you can let by, but not fire saftey.
Plastic RC tanks are considerably different, but considering the amount of detail, weathering and accuracy that goes into these tanks, it would be fair to assume (bad word) that some owners would care to be somewhat accurate in the stowage of items carried and be aware of the reasons for it being that way.
Jeff...water will burn if you mix it right. Gasoline and oil does not burn,,,fumes do...so keep it from leaking and stirring up fumes that are easy to ignite.
In all the years I worked with fuel systems contaminated with water, the engines never ran. What, I guess they needed more water to mix it right to burn? And really, water does not burn, and even when you say you need to "mix it right" it no longer remains water. I can throw down a few ounces of gasoline on the driveway and introduce a flame to it and it will burn. Cars run on gasoline Bill for it burns, not fumes. Introduce a flame to fumes and it will ignite or even explode if in a confined area.
And to all you guys, leaning on one source of information makes one very one dimensional. Printed material (books) are a big industry and people like Jentz, Doyle and Zaloga (to mention a few) know a heck of a lot more than we do. So Bill, rely on your memory as a reference guide. I do recall you trying to correct my M26A1 build on it's inaccurate mantlet you said they never sported. Then when I showed the pictures from the Littlefield collection all of a sudden the cheap seats got very quite. Another example of not knowing all what you say you do.
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06-05-2010 | 09:31 AM
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RE: Pershing questions
The water will burn thing is a little confusing, because water does not burn. However it can displace hydrocarbon fumes that will burn. You don't use water on a hydrocarbon fire for that very reason.
Bill has been mistaken on a few occasion, that still doesn't detract from the working knowledge he learned as a tanker. Just because a person values opinions from a guy that has been there doesn't mean we can't read a reference books as well. I like to hear pattoncommanders thoughts. To ignore a viewpoint from an eyewitness seems a little odd, and counterproductive to determining the truth and accuracy. He gave me some valuable pointers about stowage on my Pershing, and I am thankful for that.
My Dad was in the RAF, and lived through the battle of Britiain. Honestly I had more book knowledge them him on the subject, and could list more facts then he could if asked. However he still had nuggets you wouldn't read in any book. So I tend to listen to people who have been there, and forgive the odd cobweb. The fact we have a guy on here who has been there is a blessing, and I encourge Bill to speak up. I can accept the fact that he might not always be 100% correct, as he never served on every tank , and in every unit, and as I mentioned wartime action and crews with little sleep will do what they have to do to survive. That might mean breaking the odd regulation or two.
There is really no need to argue, just listen, evaluate the information shared, learn and move on.
Bill has been mistaken on a few occasion, that still doesn't detract from the working knowledge he learned as a tanker. Just because a person values opinions from a guy that has been there doesn't mean we can't read a reference books as well. I like to hear pattoncommanders thoughts. To ignore a viewpoint from an eyewitness seems a little odd, and counterproductive to determining the truth and accuracy. He gave me some valuable pointers about stowage on my Pershing, and I am thankful for that.
My Dad was in the RAF, and lived through the battle of Britiain. Honestly I had more book knowledge them him on the subject, and could list more facts then he could if asked. However he still had nuggets you wouldn't read in any book. So I tend to listen to people who have been there, and forgive the odd cobweb. The fact we have a guy on here who has been there is a blessing, and I encourge Bill to speak up. I can accept the fact that he might not always be 100% correct, as he never served on every tank , and in every unit, and as I mentioned wartime action and crews with little sleep will do what they have to do to survive. That might mean breaking the odd regulation or two.
There is really no need to argue, just listen, evaluate the information shared, learn and move on.
06-05-2010 | 12:57 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
Jeff, you are totally wrong on gasoline. FUMES burn, NOT the gas. Pour a few drops on a surface and light it, then get down and view the base of the flame. you will see a space between the liquid and the flame. The fumes are burning as they rise. A container half full of gas will tend to explode over one that is totally full. A fuel tank that it completely full with no immediate vent will tend to burn only at the filler neck until it is burned enough away or a hose burns through to create an air space....then problems occur.
Fr this reason, when a tanker truck has to be welded, it is filled with water to chase out the fumes. 120 hrs training with SLED and SCFA and 5 years as an arson investigator has shown me a lot about fire behavior.
An engine will not run with contaminated fuel because the droplets of water block the flow of fuel as well as make the carb adjustment
totally ineffective. The stoppage usually takes place at the carb or fuel filter, sometimes the pump. With enough pressure, the hydrogen in water will eventually pop.....although not in a "normal" engine., and yes, at that time, it is no longer plain water.
Fr this reason, when a tanker truck has to be welded, it is filled with water to chase out the fumes. 120 hrs training with SLED and SCFA and 5 years as an arson investigator has shown me a lot about fire behavior.
An engine will not run with contaminated fuel because the droplets of water block the flow of fuel as well as make the carb adjustment
totally ineffective. The stoppage usually takes place at the carb or fuel filter, sometimes the pump. With enough pressure, the hydrogen in water will eventually pop.....although not in a "normal" engine., and yes, at that time, it is no longer plain water.
06-05-2010 | 01:21 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
Water will burn when mixed with enough alcohol, think Everclear, flaming cocktails etc...
But hey, back to tanks...</p>
06-05-2010 | 01:35 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
The Pershings got to Europe in Feb-Mar 1945 and after crew training, they were issued one Pershing per tank company to tank units of the 3d and 9th Armored Div. Exception was Co A 14th bn of the 9 AD who had the first complete platoon of 5 Pershings. Most were in combat in the SW areas of France, through Germany into Poland and Czechoslovakia.
The bracket on the right fender is for the horn (mil="traffic signal device".) Normally used only in the USA and disconnected for combat duty. Early Shermans and Stuarts had a siren mounted, but dismounted when they were on the way to combat assignments.
The bracket on the right fender is for the horn (mil="traffic signal device".) Normally used only in the USA and disconnected for combat duty. Early Shermans and Stuarts had a siren mounted, but dismounted when they were on the way to combat assignments.
06-05-2010 | 02:49 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
ORIGINAL: pattoncommander
Googly, when I refered to My tank, I was alluding to my compliance with regulations governing safety within my unit. When I build a model, it is historically correct both in proper marking and stowage for that particular vehicle, irrespective of whether it was one of mine or from some other unit. Info I post is based on accuracy and geared toward those who care about being historically accurate and have not had the advantage of serving on a tank or learning first hand about the workings of one. I have received many thanks from people for info I have supplied. Those who complain the most are by en large, those who know nearly nothing about the subject matter and care less about anything factual other than what they percieve in pictures.
Googly, when I refered to My tank, I was alluding to my compliance with regulations governing safety within my unit. When I build a model, it is historically correct both in proper marking and stowage for that particular vehicle, irrespective of whether it was one of mine or from some other unit. Info I post is based on accuracy and geared toward those who care about being historically accurate and have not had the advantage of serving on a tank or learning first hand about the workings of one. I have received many thanks from people for info I have supplied. Those who complain the most are by en large, those who know nearly nothing about the subject matter and care less about anything factual other than what they percieve in pictures.
If people privately ask you for your opinions, by all means, answer them. But once you post your "knowledge" on a public forum, and if some of them turned out to be incorrect, then don't be surprised to have people correct you. You simply come off as snobby, especially when you criticize people's hard work with INACCURATE statements.
For example, "chains were NEVER carried on tanks". Maybe on YOUR tanks. But other tankers have used them. So you were incorrect.
I remember the time PComm1/John ragged on your models, and I defended you then. Making unneeded criticisms seems to be your forte now.
06-05-2010 | 06:13 PM
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Well there are probably exceptions to every rule including which way the tracks are installed. As Pattoncommander actually served on these things, he probably knows how things were supposed to go. Sure there will be exceptions, and I use this simple fact as a comeback to anyone who wants to start picking nits. Never say never with respect to tanks and wartime. The heat of the moment will determine what is right.!!!!!!!!!!!
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q1Pj2zsi
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Even when his so-called facts are proved to be in-accurate, whether against regulations or not, "pattoncommander" STILL insists on using the phrase, NEVER done like this, or NEVER done like that.
Maybe "pattoncommander" should read your quote regarding exceptions and nit picking and THINK before posting his "holier than thou" comments!
06-05-2010 | 07:14 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
ORIGINAL: fynsdad
I don't doubt that first hand knowledge is invaluable to making a historically accurate model, but for the modelller who just builds tanks because he enjoys his hobby and likes the way his models look, accurate or not, like myself, having one persons ''viewpoint'' forced down your throat as the only way things should be modelled is wrong.
Even when his so-called facts are proved to be in-accurate, whether against regulations or not, ''pattoncommander'' STILL insists on using the phrase, NEVER done like this, or NEVER done like that.
Maybe ''pattoncommander'' should read your quote regarding exceptions and nit picking and THINK before posting his ''holier than thou'' comments!
Well there are probably exceptions to every rule including which way the tracks are installed. As Pattoncommander actually served on these things, he probably knows how things were supposed to go. Sure there will be exceptions, and I use this simple fact as a comeback to anyone who wants to start picking nits. Never say never with respect to tanks and wartime. The heat of the moment will determine what is right.!!!!!!!!!!!
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q1Pj2zsi
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q1Pj2zsi
Even when his so-called facts are proved to be in-accurate, whether against regulations or not, ''pattoncommander'' STILL insists on using the phrase, NEVER done like this, or NEVER done like that.
Maybe ''pattoncommander'' should read your quote regarding exceptions and nit picking and THINK before posting his ''holier than thou'' comments!
Well we are all characters and have our ways about us. Ignore what you don't like and use the stuff you do. I personally want to believe Bill is trying to be helpful. I don't really seeing him tearing someones work apart. More just giving his viewpoints on things that would make it more prototypical to him. Anyone is quite right to counter Bills viewpoint with actual examples contrary to his belief. Makes us all better modelers. I just can't get my head around the need to try and ridicule and in someways personally attack a member of the forum who is an old veteran trying to be helpful. Just doesn't feel right. Is it not possible just to accept Bill's delivery technique and use respectful rebuttal to show him other contrary "fact" without getting so personal.
I have been on the receiving end of Bill's comments more then once, and have felt a little of what you describe. However, my percpetion of Bill as a older Grizzly veteran who is only trying to help, instantly makes me want to overlook the gruff delivery and accept the man as a friend.
Life is just better that way.
06-05-2010 | 07:29 PM
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Yeah, too bad we don't have guys like him from the german ww 2 camp. I would listen to them about how to set up my panzers.
Reserch as much as you can, then make up your own mind on how your tank should look. The key is do YOU like it, we all don't matter.
Reserch as much as you can, then make up your own mind on how your tank should look. The key is do YOU like it, we all don't matter.
06-05-2010 | 08:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: Pah co chu puk
Yeah, too bad we don't have guys like him from the german ww 2 camp. I would listen to them about how to set up my panzers.
Reserch as much as you can, then make up your own mind on how your tank should look. The key is do YOU like it, we all don't matter.
Yeah, too bad we don't have guys like him from the german ww 2 camp. I would listen to them about how to set up my panzers.
Reserch as much as you can, then make up your own mind on how your tank should look. The key is do YOU like it, we all don't matter.
As for all this tearing Bill down.....nope, it ain't right.
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06-05-2010 | 08:43 PM
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I have seen a historical pic of a pzk III with a storrage bin like that. I think it was in poland or russia. I thought it had fallen off some other tank and they were salvaging it. Seemed odd to me.
The pic showed a column of pzk IIIs crossing a small stream with a village in the background. I can't remember where I saw it, somewhere on the internet.
The pic showed a column of pzk IIIs crossing a small stream with a village in the background. I can't remember where I saw it, somewhere on the internet.
06-05-2010 | 08:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: Pah co chu puk
I have seen a historical pic of a pzk III with a storrage bin like that. I think it was in poland or russia. I thought it had fallen off some other tank and they were salvaging it. Seemed odd to me.
The pic showed a column of pzk IIIs crossing a small stream with a village in the background. I can't remember where I saw it, somewhere on the internet.
I have seen a historical pic of a pzk III with a storrage bin like that. I think it was in poland or russia. I thought it had fallen off some other tank and they were salvaging it. Seemed odd to me.
The pic showed a column of pzk IIIs crossing a small stream with a village in the background. I can't remember where I saw it, somewhere on the internet.
Thanks Pah co chu puk!! At least I know theexistenceis nowplausible. The search continues!!! lol
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06-05-2010 | 09:09 PM
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I will look for it in my VAST collection of internet pix and links. Let you know when I find it again. I was looking for ideas and it seemed too odd and too hard to scrach build for me to do.
I went with some welded on round bars for equip. storrage. It's what I had to work with.
I went with some welded on round bars for equip. storrage. It's what I had to work with.
06-05-2010 | 09:13 PM
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Yeah, I was considering making this particular tank. The reason I liked it is because of the spare road wheel on the turret. Since I've glued mine in a similar position already, it would be nice to have a tank that would have been in that particular unit. Since I couldn't find anything, I too have went with the basket. Still working on it right now along with several other things but, it's coming along!
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06-05-2010 | 09:23 PM
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I found the pic of the pzk III with 2 storrage bins, a site called "wartime photographs" panzerphotos.dk The photo was taken on 10-29, 1941 panzer regiment 15/11.
Nice rack!
Nice rack!
06-05-2010 | 10:17 PM
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I have seen pix of panthers with road wheeles on the turret side like that.
I would love to find spare parts like road wheeles and return rollers in plastic I can paint and "bolt on" to my tanks. I am always looking for cool stuff to be on or near my tanks. My goal is to shoot stills and movies of my tanks that are as close to "real" looking as I can get.
Background, props and a tank or two set up to fool the kids, wife and any one else who will sit through it, thats my aim.
I would love to find spare parts like road wheeles and return rollers in plastic I can paint and "bolt on" to my tanks. I am always looking for cool stuff to be on or near my tanks. My goal is to shoot stills and movies of my tanks that are as close to "real" looking as I can get.
Background, props and a tank or two set up to fool the kids, wife and any one else who will sit through it, thats my aim.
06-05-2010 | 10:27 PM
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Interesting project, be sure to post it here when you get it accomplished!<div>As for spares and such, you could always try this site. You wouldn't have to scratch the spare turret bin out, they already have after market ones including road wheels and return rollers for the PIII or PIV. That's why I just casted some prop ones for myself, they haven't been cleaned up yet so they look a bit rough in the photo. http://www.rctank.de/index.php?cPath...5ea74ab4b98b65</div><div>Unfortunately if you have a Panther, you'd have to purchase an entire lower hull or buy the metal upgrade wheels and use your plastic ones for accessories. Actually, chances are someone has done that already and you could simply post a request thread here looking for specific spares. Never know sometimes. I'm sure someone would suggest you contact matomart for spares too, I tried that and boy was it not gonna happen for the price they were asking.</div>
06-05-2010 | 11:08 PM
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My panther died mud bogging ( fried circit board ) so I got a tiger I. Now I have lots of spares for the tiger and an airsoft target too!
06-05-2010 | 11:10 PM
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I am thinking of getting another pershing and pzk III for the same reasons, spare parts and targets.
06-06-2010 | 10:50 AM
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Well we are all characters and have our ways about us. Ignore what you don't like and use the stuff you do. I personally want to believe Bill is trying to be helpful. I don't really seeing him tearing someones work apart. More just giving his viewpoints on things that would make it more prototypical to him. Anyone is quite right to counter Bills viewpoint with actual examples contrary to his belief. Makes us all better modelers. I just can't get my head around the need to try and ridicule and in someways personally attack a member of the forum who is an old veteran trying to be helpful. Just doesn't feel right. Is it not possible just to accept Bill's delivery technique and use respectful rebuttal to show him other contrary "fact" without getting so personal.
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q5TO3uER
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Again you are trying to make this look as if I have started this. Maybe you should read your quote and see if it fits Bill. I am no new-comer to this forum, having been on here on and off for the last 4 years, and have gotten used to Bill's style, and like you say "ignored" what I didn't agree with but recently he PM'ed me to tear my work apart just because, (and this is my personal veiw) someone praised it and not his "historicaly accurate" model.
In my posts to him I have always tried to be polite and have not attacked him personally in any way.
But even though he has been proven to be wrong on his statements, he will not admit that and still beleives ALL models should be built his way and there is no room for good looking "generic" models.
06-06-2010 | 02:19 PM
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RE: Pershing questions
Hello All, I have a Pershing and a Bulldog. I have chains on the Bulldog because it is on a special mission. Oh did I mention the rubber asault raft I got from Phil.
I know Bill, he would not hurt a fly unless it threatened this country or a friend. He has vast experience in tanks and I lsten to him out respect, he is older than me, and he loves tanks as much as I do. Tell him he is wrong? No way ! I am afraid of his wife!! lol She is very nice.
In fact I listen to all of you because this is the best hobby I have ever had. Oh and most of you know more about this hobby than I. But then I was the greatest railroad engineer on the East coast., so I have that going for me. Wish I had found out about running scale tanks before I got....over 29.
My qestion is did the Pershing or any of our tanks pull trailers? Or for that matter any kind of ordinance? I want to pull my raft and other things behind the Bulldog. I have seen some of the German tanks use them. Any ideas on where I could find them? I would like jerry cans etc. as well.
I read every post every day for inspration and knowlege about this hobby and how to do things. True somethings I am not able to do like you guys but it is so great to see it done!
Persoanly I see lots of pride in every creation that is built. The pictures are excellent and the videos too. I thank you all for posting your pride and joys. It has made many a day for me.
Be well all,
David
I know Bill, he would not hurt a fly unless it threatened this country or a friend. He has vast experience in tanks and I lsten to him out respect, he is older than me, and he loves tanks as much as I do. Tell him he is wrong? No way ! I am afraid of his wife!! lol She is very nice.
In fact I listen to all of you because this is the best hobby I have ever had. Oh and most of you know more about this hobby than I. But then I was the greatest railroad engineer on the East coast., so I have that going for me. Wish I had found out about running scale tanks before I got....over 29.
My qestion is did the Pershing or any of our tanks pull trailers? Or for that matter any kind of ordinance? I want to pull my raft and other things behind the Bulldog. I have seen some of the German tanks use them. Any ideas on where I could find them? I would like jerry cans etc. as well.
I read every post every day for inspration and knowlege about this hobby and how to do things. True somethings I am not able to do like you guys but it is so great to see it done!
Persoanly I see lots of pride in every creation that is built. The pictures are excellent and the videos too. I thank you all for posting your pride and joys. It has made many a day for me.
Be well all,
David
06-06-2010 | 03:36 PM
#50
Senior Member
RE: Pershing questions
ORIGINAL: fynsdad
YHR,
Again you are trying to make this look as if I have started this. Maybe you should read your quote and see if it fits Bill. I am no new-comer to this forum, having been on here on and off for the last 4 years, and have gotten used to Bill's style, and like you say ''ignored'' what I didn't agree with but recently he PM'ed me to tear my work apart just because, (and this is my personal veiw) someone praised it and not his ''historicaly accurate'' model.
In my posts to him I have always tried to be polite and have not attacked him personally in any way.
But even though he has been proven to be wrong on his statements, he will not admit that and still beleives ALL models should be built his way and there is no room for good looking ''generic'' models.
Well we are all characters and have our ways about us. Ignore what you don't like and use the stuff you do. I personally want to believe Bill is trying to be helpful. I don't really seeing him tearing someones work apart. More just giving his viewpoints on things that would make it more prototypical to him. Anyone is quite right to counter Bills viewpoint with actual examples contrary to his belief. Makes us all better modelers. I just can't get my head around the need to try and ridicule and in someways personally attack a member of the forum who is an old veteran trying to be helpful. Just doesn't feel right. Is it not possible just to accept Bill's delivery technique and use respectful rebuttal to show him other contrary ''fact'' without getting so personal.
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q5TO3uER
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...#ixzz0q5TO3uER
Again you are trying to make this look as if I have started this. Maybe you should read your quote and see if it fits Bill. I am no new-comer to this forum, having been on here on and off for the last 4 years, and have gotten used to Bill's style, and like you say ''ignored'' what I didn't agree with but recently he PM'ed me to tear my work apart just because, (and this is my personal veiw) someone praised it and not his ''historicaly accurate'' model.
In my posts to him I have always tried to be polite and have not attacked him personally in any way.
But even though he has been proven to be wrong on his statements, he will not admit that and still beleives ALL models should be built his way and there is no room for good looking ''generic'' models.
What's up with you????
Anyone can read this thread start to finish. Someone asked advice on a Pershing and Bill gave them good solid information. Then what happened????? Bill wasn't being critical of anyones work just answering a few questions, and providing some information. So you tell me how did this thread drift away from that??????????????
Holy smokes man, relax. I was just trying to smooth the waters, and present a perception of Bill that might help you lighten up a bit.
