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Old 05-29-2018, 10:35 AM
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Thanks for the info, Hydro Junkie. Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.
Old 05-29-2018, 01:47 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.
Old 05-29-2018, 07:13 PM
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Okay, (another) evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.
Old 05-30-2018, 02:27 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.
Old 05-30-2018, 10:30 AM
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No guesses? Then it's time for another clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.
Old 05-30-2018, 11:47 AM
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NVM I thing I got it but I was wrong. Still searching...

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Old 05-30-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Alvaro
NVM I thing I got it but I was wrong. Still searching...
Sir; standing by. And here's an extra clue to help your search. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.
Old 05-30-2018, 06:19 PM
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I'd say an F-105 "THUD", other than the fact it was a single seater
Old 05-30-2018, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I'd say an F-105 "THUD", other than the fact it was a single seater
Not the Thud, Hydro Junkie. But did you ever hear a meaner sounding airplane? Maybe this bonus clue will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.
Old 05-31-2018, 02:27 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.
Old 05-31-2018, 08:04 AM
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Pretty sure I’ve found it, but I like the guessing part much more than trying to come up with a challenging subject
Old 05-31-2018, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CF105
Pretty sure I’ve found it, but I like the guessing part much more than trying to come up with a challenging subject
Jump in, CF105; the water isn't deep or swift. Although non-guesses don't count, it's still time for a new clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.
Old 05-31-2018, 03:03 PM
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The only one I found that fit most of the description is a Nazi Bomber Prototype the Sturmvogel, It fits the blinding of the pilot, the issue with the engines and the smoke out of the guns etc. but I don't think this is the right one :S.
Old 05-31-2018, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Alvaro
The only one I found that fit most of the description is a Nazi Bomber Prototype the Sturmvogel, It fits the blinding of the pilot, the issue with the engines and the smoke out of the guns etc. but I don't think this is the right one :S.
Sir; you are correct. It isn't the Sturmvogel. This one flew and was actually started in production. And it wasn't a policy change that nixed the Sturmvogel, BTW. But you tried and are to be commended for that. So, here's another clue to reward your participation. Please try again. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.

31. So, the air intakes were moved all the way to the front of the aircraft; and the cannons mounted on the bottom of the fuselage, behind the air intakes.
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.

31. So, the air intakes were moved all the way to the front of the aircraft; and the cannons mounted on the bottom of the fuselage, behind the air intakes.

32. Our subject aircraft first flew in 1953.
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.

31. So, the air intakes were moved all the way to the front of the aircraft; and the cannons mounted on the bottom of the fuselage, behind the air intakes.

32. Our subject aircraft first flew in 1953.

33. The reworked prototype flew early in 1955 and was ordered into production in late 1955.
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.

31. So, the air intakes were moved all the way to the front of the aircraft; and the cannons mounted on the bottom of the fuselage, behind the air intakes.

32. Our subject aircraft first flew in 1953.

33. The reworked prototype flew early in 1955 and was ordered into production in late 1955.

34. In 1956, the program was cancelled and production ceased.
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Ilyushin Il-40

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Originally Posted by PeterDays

Ilyushin Il-40

A new voice and a new winner!!! And, hopefully, a new man with a question. You are right Sir; and you are also up. Please post your question for us. Now, has anyone ever seen a more aggressive looking warbird? Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

1. This aircraft never reached production.

2. But, it wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the aircraft itself.

3. Although the plane was certainly adequate for its intended mission, a policy decision made its intended mission irrelevant.

4. Nevertheless, the original mission and intention was resurrected some 20 years later.

5. And our subject aircraft was again offered to fulfill the mission.

6. Our subject aircraft was easy to fly, very maneuverable and a real handful for other contemporary aircraft to handle in mock combat.

7. However, the advance of technology resulted in a new design being chosen for the mission.

8. The aircraft which won out over our subject aircraft, 20 years later, went into production.

9. More than one thousand of that aircraft were produced; and it is well known.

10. Our subject aircraft had one serious flaw in its original design, revealed when its guns were fired.

11. The muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot.

12. And the gases produced by firing knocked out both engines very rapidly.

13. Even a single gun firing a few shells was sufficient to knock out the engine on that side.

14. This defect in design was corrected by moving the air intakes forward.

15. And mounting the guns on the bottom of the fuselage.

16. This resulted in a rather unusual profile. A profile which brought something unrelated to mind very quickly.

17. But, in my opinion at least, never has a military aircraft looked quite so aggressive.

18. This plane had a crew of two.

19. The aircraft was ordered into production, but only five had been produced when the policy shift mentioned put an end to the program.

20. The aircraft was heavily armored.

21. The wings were set low on the fuselage, and swept back.

22. Landing gear was tricycle type.

23. A total of six fuel tanks were used.

24. The armored shell protecting the crew and vital components, and the bulletproof glass canopy, together weighed over 4,000 pounds.

25. The plane’s name reflected the weight.

26. Air brakes were fitted to the rear fuselage.

27. Initially, the armament was a total of seven cannon.

28. Six cannon were in the front of the fuselage, one in a remote controlled barbette in the rear.

29. After the problem of the guns firing and knocking out the engines was realized, the number of cannons in the front was reduced to four.

30. Even after this, it was discovered the problem still occurred when the plane was sideslipped.

31. So, the air intakes were moved all the way to the front of the aircraft; and the cannons mounted on the bottom of the fuselage, behind the air intakes.

32. Our subject aircraft first flew in 1953.

33. The reworked prototype flew early in 1955 and was ordered into production in late 1955.

34. In 1956, the program was cancelled and production ceased.

35. Prior to the stop order, two variants were under consideration.

36. The first was an artillery spotter, with a third crewman.

37. The second was a torpedo plane. Answer: The Ilyushin Il-40 (Brawny)

The Ilyushin Il-40 (NATO reporting name: Brawny) was a two-seat Sovietjet-engined armored ground-attack aircraft. The first prototype flew in 1953 and was very successful except when it fired its guns, as their combustion gasses disturbed the airflow into the engines and caused them to flameout or hiccup. Remedying this problem took over a year and involved the radical change of moving the engine air intakes all the way to the very front of the aircraft and repositioning the guns from the tip of the nose to the bottom of the fuselage, just behind the nosewheel. The aircraft, now resembling a double-barreled shotgun from the front, was ordered into production in 1955. Only five production aircraft had been completed before the entire program was canceled in early 1956 when the VVS discarded its close air-support doctrine in favor of tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield.



Development

Sergey Ilyushin had begun design studies during 1950–51 for a jet-engined ground-attack aircraft possessing better performance characteristics than was possible with piston-engined aircraft. By the end of 1951 the Ilyushin design bureau had prepared a technical proposal for a two-seat armored aircraft using two Mikulin AM-5axial-flowturbojets rated at 2,150 kgf (4,740 lbf) at maximum power (without afterburner) and 2,700 kgf (5,952 lbf) with afterburner. In January 1952 Ilyushin sent this proposal to the government, which was quickly accepted, and he was directed to design and build one prototype.

The Il-40 had wings set low on the fuselage, swept back at an angle of 35°, and a tricycle undercarriage. The two AM-5 engines were in pods adjacent to the fuselage. As was traditional for Ilyushin ground-attack aircraft, the core of Il-40's structure was a load-bearing armored shell that protected both crew positions, six fuel tanks and part of the radio and electrical equipment. The thickness of the shell ranged from 3 to 8 mm (0.12 to 0.31 in) in thickness. The armored bulkhead protecting the pilot from the front was 10 mm (0.39 in) thick. The cockpit glazing was also bulletproof and the pilot was given an 8 mm (0.31 in) armored headrest to protect him against shells fired from above and behind. The gunner was protected by armor 4–10 mm (0.16–0.39 in) thick. The total weight of the armored shell and the bulletproof glass was 1,918 kg (4,228 lb). Ejection seats were provided for both crewmembers. Three perforated airbrakes were fitted on the rear fuselage, one on each side and one underneath, to enhance the aircraft's maneuverability during a dive.

The initial armament was six 23 mm (0.91 in) Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23autocannon mounted in the nose, three on each side, each with 150 rounds, with their muzzles protruding into the slipstream. One NR-23 was mounted in a remotely-controlled Il-K10 tail barbette with 200 rounds. It had a maximum elevation of 55°, a maximum depression of 40° and could traverse 60° to either side. The Il-K10 could traverse at a rate of 42° per second and elevate at a rate of 38° per second. Four small bomb bays were fitted in the wings with a maximum capacity of 100 kg (220 lb) each. Alternatively, four bomb racks could be fitted under the wings that could carry bombs up to 500 kg (1,100 lb),82 mm (3.2 in) TRS-82 or 132 mm (5.2 in) TRS-132 rockets, or drop tanks with a total capacity of 1,100 litres (290 US gal). The normal bombload was 400 kg (880 lb), but 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) could be carried at overload. Under overloaded conditions, a maximum of twelve TRS-82 or eight TRS-132 rockets could be carried. Two cameras were fitted in the rear fuselage for day and night damage-assessment photos.

The Il-40 first flew on 7 March 1953, and flight tests revealed no serious shortcomings in the air. The operational CG was too far aft, but this was only a minor problem when landing, taking off and taxiing, especially when coupled with the rather short wheelbase. The biggest problem proved to be the guns and their effect on the engines. During the first aerial test of the cannons at the end of March 1953 the muzzle flash temporarily blinded the pilot and both engines flamed out. The pilot was able to restart the engines and returned safely, but Sergey Ilyushin immediately started an investigation into the cause of the engine problems. Ground tests with high-speed cameras revealed that none of the muzzle brakes or blast suppressors tested made any difference; the engines would hiccup even if only a single gun fired just five to ten rounds.



A decision was made to replace the six NR-23 guns in the nose with four AM-23 cannon with 225 rounds per gun that had a rate of fire 50% greater than that of the NR-23 and to totally revise the gun installation. The guns were moved to the very tip of the nose in a separate compartment made of heat-resistant steel and provided with a special blast deflector chamber to deflect the blast gasses away from the engine inlets. Two doors were provided at the bottom of the chamber to ventilate the chamber while firing. One problem occurred almost immediately during testing when the blast gases accumulated in the section where spent cartridges and links were saved and sometimes ignited. Occasionally this was strong enough to actually deform the chamber. The spent shell case section was thoroughly ventilated and muzzle brakes were introduced to successfully cure the problem.



Resolving the problem with the guns had prevented the aircraft from undergoing its State acceptance trials in July 1953 as stipulated and a special commission was appointed to conduct the trials on 31 December 1953. After the manufacturer's trials were successfully concluded in January 1954 the aircraft was turned over and the State acceptance trials lasted from 21 January — 15 March 1954. The tests were generally successful with the Il-40 proving to be easy to fly, maneuverable enough to be a handful for the MiG-15bis and MiG-17 fighters opposing it and considerably superior to the piston-engined Ilyushin Il-10M ground-attack aircraft then in service. However flight tests did reveal blast gas ingestion when firing in a sideslip by the engine on the side opposite the sideslip. Several solutions were evaluated to cure the problem, but Ilyushin pushed for the more radical solution of extending the air intakes for the engines all the way to the nose of the aircraft and moving the guns to the bottom of the nose, behind the air intakes.

The change in position of the guns and the extension of the air intakes, which looked "uncannily like a double-barreled shotgun," allowed the nose wheel to be moved forward to lengthen the wheelbase. The guns were mounted behind the nose wheel well and a special shield was added to protect the gun barrels from debris thrown up by the nose wheel; it was mechanically linked to the nose wheel and extended when it did. Other changes included the replacement of the original AM-5F engines by the Tumansky RD-9V, an improved version of the AM-5F, the normal bombload was increased to 1,000 kg and 1,400 kg (3,100 lb) in overloaded condition, and a rearview mirror was added to allow the pilot to better observe the rear upper hemisphere.



Production





Ilyushin began construction of another prototype to evaluate this solution and this was endorsed on 16 October 1954 when the Council of Ministers ordered production to begin at Factory (Zavod) No. 168 at Rostov-on-Don of the improved version, designated as the Il-40P. The Il-40P prototype first flew on 14 February 1955 and began State acceptance trials on 12 October 1955. The changes had resolved all the problems suffered by the earlier design and an order for a first batch of forty production machines was placed.

Five of these had been completed by the spring of 1956 and were undergoing preflight tests when the entire program was canceled on 13 April 1956 and all components in preparation scrapped. A week later, the Attack Aviation branch of the VVS was superseded by the Fighter-Bomber branch and the doctrine of the VVS was drastically modified. No longer would the VVS provide close support to the Army, but rather it would use tactical nuclear weapons as part of the nuclear battlefield.

Before the program was canceled, two variants had been studied by Ilyushin. The first was an artillery-spotting version known as the Il-40K. This model added a third crewman in a redesigned forward fuselage. The air intakes were reverted to their original position as the guns had been placed in the small wing bomb bays and there was no danger of the engines ingesting blast gasses from the guns. The spotter-navigator was given an extensively glazed position at the tip of the nose that was well-protected with armor and bulletproof glass. The first fuselage was nearing completion when the order came to cancel the entire program. The second variant was a torpedo-carrying version called the Il-40T which was based on the fuselage of the Il-40K, but the navigator-bombardier's position had optically flat glass panels to facilitate aiming. Not much effort was devoted to this model and it was canceled at an early stage.



Variants

· · Il-40 – First prototype · Il-40P – Second prototype and five production aircraft. · Il-40K – (korrektirovshchik – corrector) – Artillery spotter, three-seater with spotter-navigator in glazed nose cockpit. · Il-40T – (torpedonosets) – Torpedo bomber, three-seater with navigator in glazed nose with optically flat panels for weapon aiming. · Il-42 – Late 1960s revival of the Il-40 concept, beaten in competition with the Sukhoi T-8 (prototype Su-25) · Il-102 – Ultimate iteration of the Il-40/Il-42, with modern avionics and engines, also beaten by the Sukhoi T-8.

Specifications (Il-40P)

Data from Gordon, OKB Ilyushin: A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft

General characteristics



· Crew: two · Length: 17.215 m (56 ft 5¾ in) · Wingspan: 17 m (55 ft 9½ in) · Height: 5.76 m (18 ft 10 5/8 in) · Wing area: 54.1 m² (582.4 ft²) · Empty weight: 8,500 kg (18,750 lb[1]) · Loaded weight: 16,600 kg (36,600 lb) · Max. takeoff weight: 17,600 kg (38,810 lb) · Powerplant: 2 × Tumansky RD-9V turbojet · Dry thrust: 2,600 kgf (25 kN) (5730 lbf) each · Thrust with afterburner: 3,250 kgf (31.9 kN) (7170 lbf) each



Performance· Maximum speed: 993 km/h (617 mph) · Range: 1,320 km (808 mi (with drop tanks)) · Service ceiling: 11,600 m (38,000 ft (Il-40)) · Wing loading: 31.5 kg/m² (64.5 lb/ft²)



Armament· Guns: · 4 × AM-23 23 mm cannon in the fuselage nose. · 1 × AM-23 23 mm cannon in remotely controlled rear turret. · Bombs: up to 1,400 kg (3,100 lb) of bombs in four wing bomb bays and four underwing pylons carrying bombs, rockets or drop tanks.
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I can't seem to get the photo to attach, so here's the Wikipedia link. Thanks; Ernie P.


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Reminds me of Nicklas’ Law of Aircraft Identification, whereby: “If it’s ugly, it’s British; if it’s weird, it’s French; and if it’s ugly and weird, it’s Russian.”

And that IL-40 truly be ugly and weird!
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Originally Posted by JohnnyS
Reminds me of Nicklas’ Law of Aircraft Identification, whereby: “If it’s ugly, it’s British; if it’s weird, it’s French; and if it’s ugly and weird, it’s Russian.”

And that IL-40 truly be ugly and weird!
Add the word "nasty" and I'll agree, JohnnyS. But nasty in a menacing way. Funny thing is, when they tested it against Soviet fighters, it gave them fits down low. It apparently was a pretty deadly aircraft close to the ground. I'm hoping PeterDays has a good question for us. Thanks; Ernie P.
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I figured it was an early Russian jet, just couldn't find anything about it. What told me that was:
1) modern planes normally only have one or two guns, old had several
2) the only country I know of that mounted guns in the belly were Russian(MIG 15, 17, etc)
3) gun gasses normally won't cause a flame out in a modern engine since turbojets(the basic design used back in the 40s through early 60s) have basically been phased put in favor of fan-jets
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PeterDays; we await your question, Sir. Please post your question for us. Thanks; Ernie P.

HydroJunkie; I can't fault your logic. Thanks; Ernie P.


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