ESM 50cc Corsair
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Yeah, the Mustang looked like an overloaded 727 departing out of Cairo Egypt. Once it got up on step it was fine though...fly the wing.
Ok, I weighed everything it takes to complete the model and came up with 23.5 pounds. That does not include ballast so with the DA-50 I'm looking at probably 2.0 pounds or more to get it within the CG limits. The complete wing assembly was 12.75 pounds alone. The DA-50 with muffler and ignition minus battery weighs 4.0 pounds. So a 25-26 pound bird probably, which is well within the 1/5th scale warbird range. In your shoes I'd go with the 325, but that's my opinon based on already-mentioned experience.
Ok, I weighed everything it takes to complete the model and came up with 23.5 pounds. That does not include ballast so with the DA-50 I'm looking at probably 2.0 pounds or more to get it within the CG limits. The complete wing assembly was 12.75 pounds alone. The DA-50 with muffler and ignition minus battery weighs 4.0 pounds. So a 25-26 pound bird probably, which is well within the 1/5th scale warbird range. In your shoes I'd go with the 325, but that's my opinon based on already-mentioned experience.
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Thanks Greg. Good to know. Another benefit to the Corsair are those huge flaps to slow her down for landings and the ample lift those wings generate. The approach speed should be just right and not too scary...lol I'm used to warbirds coming in like meteors sometimes.
OK well I'm watching your progress and seriously considering that combo. I'm going to do a little more research on it as well.
Here is my situation. I have a SisT Fw 190A8 kit and this engine is intended for that plane. The problem I have is trusting that engine being brand new and all in such an expensive plane which I'm going to spend a lot of time on. My thought was to fly the Saito in a cheaper ARF warbird to break it in and get used to it. Cost wise I would sacrifice an ESM Corsair 7 or 8 times over 1 SisT Fw 190, you know, so for peice of mind I think it would be worth it.
Well keep her going, lets kick the tires and light fires!!
Chris
OK well I'm watching your progress and seriously considering that combo. I'm going to do a little more research on it as well.
Here is my situation. I have a SisT Fw 190A8 kit and this engine is intended for that plane. The problem I have is trusting that engine being brand new and all in such an expensive plane which I'm going to spend a lot of time on. My thought was to fly the Saito in a cheaper ARF warbird to break it in and get used to it. Cost wise I would sacrifice an ESM Corsair 7 or 8 times over 1 SisT Fw 190, you know, so for peice of mind I think it would be worth it.
Well keep her going, lets kick the tires and light fires!!
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Ok, I weighed everything it takes to complete the model and came up with 23.5 pounds. That does not include ballast so with the DA-50 I'm looking at probably 2.0 pounds or more to get it within the CG limits. The complete wing assembly was 12.75 pounds alone. The DA-50 with muffler and ignition minus battery weighs 4.0 pounds. So a 25-26 pound bird probably, which is well within the 1/5th scale warbird range. In your shoes I'd go with the 325, but that's my opinon based on already-mentioned experience.
Ok, I weighed everything it takes to complete the model and came up with 23.5 pounds. That does not include ballast so with the DA-50 I'm looking at probably 2.0 pounds or more to get it within the CG limits. The complete wing assembly was 12.75 pounds alone. The DA-50 with muffler and ignition minus battery weighs 4.0 pounds. So a 25-26 pound bird probably, which is well within the 1/5th scale warbird range. In your shoes I'd go with the 325, but that's my opinon based on already-mentioned experience.
What if I promise not to turn very hard and reserve full power only for uplines?
Maybe the odd torque roll?
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Maybe not a moki radial.....but you could sure fit a Seidel 7 or 9 cyl radial in this plane...and be a hell of a lot cheaper.
7cyl $1199
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s..._Radial_Engine
9cyl $1499
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s..._Radial_Engine
You could also easily put in an ASP 400 5cyl or a saito 325 or 450
5 cyl $799
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s...er_Glow_Engine
7cyl $1199
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s..._Radial_Engine
9cyl $1499
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s..._Radial_Engine
You could also easily put in an ASP 400 5cyl or a saito 325 or 450
5 cyl $799
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s...er_Glow_Engine
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I've heard those and I'm not too keen on cleaning up oil unless it's from a smoke system. They do look nice though. Moki's are mesmerizing and I'm too entranced at this point. I've been saving pennies and looking at P47, corsair, Yak, even sea Fury ads for months in a 100" size radial warbird ARF. Corsairs always look best to me and a smoke system won't foul the wheels cause they fold straight back.
Money's not the issue. The Issues I can forsee are strength of wing, gear (bigger springs?), engine mount. And how bad will it bite in the turns with 6 lbs of extra weight compared with a "proper" setup.
Money's not the issue. The Issues I can forsee are strength of wing, gear (bigger springs?), engine mount. And how bad will it bite in the turns with 6 lbs of extra weight compared with a "proper" setup.
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It is my intention to own one of these Corsairs. Can any of you guys verify if a Saito 450 will actually fit inside the cowl without rubbing?
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wind junkie if money isn't the issue then there are plenty of Corsairs out there already big enough to put a Moki in.
wind junkie if money isn't the issue then there are plenty of Corsairs out there already big enough to put a Moki in.
Any others (esp ARFs) I should know about? The CARF is a nice bird, but still not really an "ARF" when compared to the degree of prefab in the ESM kits. Also, I like the idea of solartex covered fully sheeted wings (outboard) with FG centers. All painted in flat blues of course.
If I can't find anything before winter, I'll likely pony up to a CARF corsair, but I'm still looking for more of a turn key option.
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It is my intention to own one of these Corsairs. Can any of you guys verify if a Saito 450 will actually fit inside the cowl without rubbing?
It is my intention to own one of these Corsairs. Can any of you guys verify if a Saito 450 will actually fit inside the cowl without rubbing?
cheers Tim
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Looks like the Saito 450 is 9.84'' in Dia. and the cowl is 10.5'' in Dia. sounds close but may fit.
cheers Tim
ORIGINAL: Magnum RC
It is my intention to own one of these Corsairs. Can any of you guys verify if a Saito 450 will actually fit inside the cowl without rubbing?
It is my intention to own one of these Corsairs. Can any of you guys verify if a Saito 450 will actually fit inside the cowl without rubbing?
cheers Tim
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Well, I am probably going to committ myself to it. IF the offset is as you say, perhaps I can turn the engine a bit to move the cylinders so it can accomodate. That is close though, but it sounds like enough room. It will be the best project to date for me.
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Gents, what up…
I received both my Corsair 50cc and Robin 400 from ESM a few days ago. I contacted TBM as instructed on their Web and they told me to contact ARFPro, the US EMS distributor; I did and bought both on the spot. I also bought the retracts of course. My DL 55 with Pitts for the Corsair and DL 111 for the Robin arrived from Tower Hobbies as well. Have a Beila 20x10 3-Blade of course for the Corsair; nothing yet for the Robin.
I’m not concerned with any retract issues; just like my turbine retract issues, I’m sending them to Down and Locked Retract Systems. I’m sure you’ve seen there ads on RCU. They simply remove the air parts and place a small but strong electric motor to the rear of the cylinder; the movement is via a screw jack – freakin’ brilliant and simple. All ups and downs and locks in both positions are freakin’ solved and all done from a 4.8v batt.
Don’t know when mine will be built; got so many freakin’ birds on the table; turbines, gassers, and glows. I guess there’s no photo posting in this thread although I see photos; anyways, once I get around to placing mine together, I’ll throw one or two out there. But here’s only a third of what my shop looks like; ONLY a third.
Later…
Mr DJ
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Well I can no longer hold back my anger so I'm here to vent.! Please do not buy from TROY BUILT MODELS . I have been waiting and waiting for some resolution on my 50cc Corsair. Troy Built would not file a UPS claim on my order so I went ahead and opened the claim on my own. I took the pictures of the damage to the plane and box. I went through the UPS inspection and sat patiently waiting for some help. I agreed to fix the model so I opened the UPS claim for $300 not the full amount of the air frame and the coverage. Troy built said they would offer me a $50 store credit and sent me a new cowl. I told them that was a great start but its going to cost me more in time and materials to fix the back of my air frame then $50. I told them that I went ahead and opened the claim and I would pay them for the cowl when I got the claim money and then use the rest to have the rear of the plane fixed by someone with more know how then I have. So I sat and waited 2 months!. I find out today that TBM was paid the full amount of the claim over 1 month ago. When I called to ask what was up I was told this issue has been resolved and they are done with it!!!. I still have a broken airframe and they were paid twice!!! They are crooks and have for ever lost my business as well as those that fly with me locally. It is so sad that people conduct themselves this way and expect to stay in business. Please use other companies that are more deserving of your hard earned money.
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Well I can no longer hold back my anger so I'm here to vent.! Please do not buy from TROY BUILT MODELS . I have been waiting and waiting for some resolution on my 50cc Corsair. Troy Built would not file a UPS claim on my order so I went ahead and opened the claim on my own. I took the pictures of the damage to the plane and box. I went through the UPS inspection and sat patiently waiting for some help. I agreed to fix the model so I opened the UPS claim for $300 not the full amount of the air frame and the coverage. Troy built said they would offer me a $50 store credit and sent me a new cowl. I told them that was a great start but its going to cost me more in time and materials to fix the back of my air frame then $50. I told them that I went ahead and opened the claim and I would pay them for the cowl when I got the claim money and then use the rest to have the rear of the plane fixed by someone with more know how then I have. So I sat and waited 2 months!. I find out today that TBM was paid the full amount of the claim over 1 month ago. When I called to ask what was up I was told this issue has been resolved and they are done with it!!!. I still have a broken airframe and they were paid twice!!! They are crooks and have for ever lost my business as well as those that fly with me locally. It is so sad that people conduct themselves this way and expect to stay in business. Please use other companies that are more deserving of your hard earned money.
Well I can no longer hold back my anger so I'm here to vent.! Please do not buy from TROY BUILT MODELS . I have been waiting and waiting for some resolution on my 50cc Corsair. Troy Built would not file a UPS claim on my order so I went ahead and opened the claim on my own. I took the pictures of the damage to the plane and box. I went through the UPS inspection and sat patiently waiting for some help. I agreed to fix the model so I opened the UPS claim for $300 not the full amount of the air frame and the coverage. Troy built said they would offer me a $50 store credit and sent me a new cowl. I told them that was a great start but its going to cost me more in time and materials to fix the back of my air frame then $50. I told them that I went ahead and opened the claim and I would pay them for the cowl when I got the claim money and then use the rest to have the rear of the plane fixed by someone with more know how then I have. So I sat and waited 2 months!. I find out today that TBM was paid the full amount of the claim over 1 month ago. When I called to ask what was up I was told this issue has been resolved and they are done with it!!!. I still have a broken airframe and they were paid twice!!! They are crooks and have for ever lost my business as well as those that fly with me locally. It is so sad that people conduct themselves this way and expect to stay in business. Please use other companies that are more deserving of your hard earned money.
Really.. I know this is off topic but I was ready to get the army Zero... Am I going to have these troubles.
cheers Tim
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I just wanted others to know what I have been put through. Not that you will have the same issue, but I just want others to know that this is how they do business and I will never shop there or recommend them again.
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You need to contact the shipper that paid them and file a fraud case. You might even be able to contact the local police in their home base and file a fraud case. I have never bought much from TBM but from some of the nightmare stories I have heard I would steer far clear of them.
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I talked to the UPS district manager for a lengthy time about the issue. Per UPS guide lines whomever ships the package and applies the insurance coverage is the one that gets the claim money. It did not matter that I did all the leg work to fix my situation. Because Troy Built shipped the model they are the ones that get the claim funds. It is then up to them to distribute the money how they see fit. In this case they chose to keep the cash issue me a $50 store credit. Not cool in my book!!! Originally I tired to send back the plane due to the damage, but Troy Built said I had to pay the shipping - which for someone that dose not have a large volume account was over $200 out of my pocket due to the size of the box. It makes me sick that I have spent this amount of money and all they (TBM) made double profit. This was not my first order with them but will be my last. I have spent A LOT of $ with them in the past. Sure not as much as some people but well over $5000 in the past 3 years. As of this point on I will never shop with them again nor will my flying buddies. So for an issue that could have been taken care off by my efforts and nothing out of their pocket. They have lost out on thousands of dollars in sales over the life time that I am in this hobby as well as our club that is over 250 strong. . All they needed to do was send me the check from UPS instead greed took over and they blew me off. All I have at this time is KARMA and I hope it comes back on them in a big way...
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Gotsky,
Thanks for letting us know. In fairness, TBM should definitely chime in with their side. In the mean time, I'm putting the brakes on my intended purchase from them. If what you are saying is true, then they will never get one penny of my business.
Thanks for letting us know. In fairness, TBM should definitely chime in with their side. In the mean time, I'm putting the brakes on my intended purchase from them. If what you are saying is true, then they will never get one penny of my business.
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Well I can no longer hold back my anger so I'm here to vent.! Please do not buy from TROY BUILT MODELS . I have been waiting and waiting for some resolution on my 50cc Corsair. Troy Built would not file a UPS claim on my order so I went ahead and opened the claim on my own. I took the pictures of the damage to the plane and box. I went through the UPS inspection and sat patiently waiting for some help. I agreed to fix the model so I opened the UPS claim for $300 not the full amount of the air frame and the coverage. Troy built said they would offer me a $50 store credit and sent me a new cowl. I told them that was a great start but its going to cost me more in time and materials to fix the back of my air frame then $50. I told them that I went ahead and opened the claim and I would pay them for the cowl when I got the claim money and then use the rest to have the rear of the plane fixed by someone with more know how then I have. So I sat and waited 2 months!. I find out today that TBM was paid the full amount of the claim over 1 month ago. When I called to ask what was up I was told this issue has been resolved and they are done with it!!!. I still have a broken airframe and they were paid twice!!! They are crooks and have for ever lost my business as well as those that fly with me locally. It is so sad that people conduct themselves this way and expect to stay in business. Please use other companies that are more deserving of your hard earned money.
Well I can no longer hold back my anger so I'm here to vent.! Please do not buy from TROY BUILT MODELS . I have been waiting and waiting for some resolution on my 50cc Corsair. Troy Built would not file a UPS claim on my order so I went ahead and opened the claim on my own. I took the pictures of the damage to the plane and box. I went through the UPS inspection and sat patiently waiting for some help. I agreed to fix the model so I opened the UPS claim for $300 not the full amount of the air frame and the coverage. Troy built said they would offer me a $50 store credit and sent me a new cowl. I told them that was a great start but its going to cost me more in time and materials to fix the back of my air frame then $50. I told them that I went ahead and opened the claim and I would pay them for the cowl when I got the claim money and then use the rest to have the rear of the plane fixed by someone with more know how then I have. So I sat and waited 2 months!. I find out today that TBM was paid the full amount of the claim over 1 month ago. When I called to ask what was up I was told this issue has been resolved and they are done with it!!!. I still have a broken airframe and they were paid twice!!! They are crooks and have for ever lost my business as well as those that fly with me locally. It is so sad that people conduct themselves this way and expect to stay in business. Please use other companies that are more deserving of your hard earned money.
If this is true, that is pretty bad business! Typically they should send you another kit, and if they want the damaged kit they should pay for the return shipment.
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Got SKY you should contact your credit card company and they can get a refund if your package was not in good condition in alot of cases...You need to let your CC company that they were paid for the product by UPS..
Guys If any of you get a box that is damaged and your plane is broken you have to have patience. I got a The 50 cc Spitfire in and the box was accordianed on one end. I took pic's of the box before I even opened it. I took pic's of each step of opening the box. And then i found that the fuse was damaged in the rear of the fuse. I immediately called TBM to let them know of the damage. They gave me a e-mail address to send the pic's to. Then it became a waiting game. You need to call at least once or twice a week to ask what is happening with your claim. It took 30 days and they finally sent me a brand new fuse. It did not cost me anything but time. When you start taking matter into your own hands it gets messy . Never offer to do work on the plane and always tell UPS that you want an inspector to come to you for inspection and don't let them just come by and pick it up. You have to tell them they can have it After the claim has been settled and they will come by and pick up the damaged product. Make sure you save everything. all boxes and packing materials. they will want to take pic's...If they refuse the claim the sender is still responsible for the product. It not your worry if they get paid or not..
Also I would never take a store credit. That is only to the good of the store. They are making way more than $50 on each kit and if they can give you a store credit that even more money in thier pocket...
Ty
Guys If any of you get a box that is damaged and your plane is broken you have to have patience. I got a The 50 cc Spitfire in and the box was accordianed on one end. I took pic's of the box before I even opened it. I took pic's of each step of opening the box. And then i found that the fuse was damaged in the rear of the fuse. I immediately called TBM to let them know of the damage. They gave me a e-mail address to send the pic's to. Then it became a waiting game. You need to call at least once or twice a week to ask what is happening with your claim. It took 30 days and they finally sent me a brand new fuse. It did not cost me anything but time. When you start taking matter into your own hands it gets messy . Never offer to do work on the plane and always tell UPS that you want an inspector to come to you for inspection and don't let them just come by and pick it up. You have to tell them they can have it After the claim has been settled and they will come by and pick up the damaged product. Make sure you save everything. all boxes and packing materials. they will want to take pic's...If they refuse the claim the sender is still responsible for the product. It not your worry if they get paid or not..
Also I would never take a store credit. That is only to the good of the store. They are making way more than $50 on each kit and if they can give you a store credit that even more money in thier pocket...
Ty