i am looking at getting a new engine to replace my sh.28 p6 pro and was looking at either the axial 32, 28 or sts 30 ne thoughts. i am leaning more towards the axials because they are a better quality unit. any help would be appreciated, also the rb engines are double the price of the axial and sts, are they worth it?

bloody hell they are, there italian mills, the quality of all the parts are alot higher than the asian made motors, but some of these asian motors are pretty good. The higher italian mills tend to be alot more finicky with the needles.

If i was you i would wait just a little longer, SH are about to release the SH P8 which is supposed to be identical to the LRP 28 spec 3, which is a killer motor.

As SH, XTM, Nosram, Dynamite, LRP are all part of the golden lion engine manufacturer, thats why alot of motors from the diff companies are the same. I would def think about the P8, it will be 1 killer engine if its the same as the LRP28 spec 3, which everyone is pretty sure it is.

I would say STS 30, I have seen a few run in real and damn they are retardely fast stock. I should be getting mine next weekend.

-Josh-

scotty is this the engine ur talking bout? http://www.*********.com.au/store/pr...6214a365e5d917
if so i might go with this, the only thing im worried bout it parts for it as i have the sh.28 and cant find a pull start any where.

The Axial 28RR should be out very soon too... And as far as Axial goes, I'm a big Axial fan cuz I AM willing to sacrifice a tad in performance to gain on the reliability, ease-of-use side of things... I want this new 28RR - should be out within 2-3 weeks(according to an e-mail from Axial....), and comparable to the Spec 3/SH line...

That new Axial should be a nice engine. It appears to be aimed directly at the racing crowd and not the bashers. Maybe they will tweak the .28/.32Spec 1S series for the bashers later on.
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Well what exactly does that mean?? More of a PIA? I had been wanting an LRP Spec 3, but was led to believe that the Axial should be a good rival for it...

Keep your eyes open for the new STS 28 coming out soon.

I know there are a lot of hardcore STS fans around, and 46U aren't your sponsored by them?? But no offense, with the number of people(many of whom are competent too...) having trouble with them, I wouldn't go near an STS... There are some pretty persuasive videos out there, and I know they CAN haul, but I just don't want the risk of a PIA engine - OR having to replace O-rings and carbs or whatever... STS has really screwed themselves recently IMO - too many engines blowing up, proving untuneable(except by pro engine-modders, etc...), etc etc...

No offense, but I'll take an easy-to-live-with Axial any day, regardless of how much more powerful a well-modded-and/or-tuned STS is...

99.99 % of all sts nitro engine's suck
8 out of 10 cat's aggree
9 out of 10 in here will shoot me down but i dont care cause its true

Well my intention was not to cause a flame-war... It's just that, when you go around on various forums and notice certain consistent themes reappearing, well, you have to draw conclusions based on what's out there... For that reason I would never buy a Duratrax Warhead...

haha

Yes I am sponsored but have nothing to do with my opinion of the STS engines as if I did not like them I would not run them no matter how many they would give me. Email Mark and ask him what I said when he offered to send me my first STS engine as I told him if I like the engine I will say so and if I do not I would all so say so! I have turned down other sponsorships because I do not like their product. Funny I have 3 STS engines and do not have any of the problems you are describing. How many STS engines do you have? I only go buy experienced RC opinions as there are many that can mess up and anvil with a rubber hammer. Now keep in mind you are the one that started all the BS as I did not say anything to this point bad about the Axial but a STS will leave all of them far behind! [sm=lol.gif][X(]

How many STS engines have you owned or are you one of the many that can mess up an anvil with a rubber hammer? [sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif]

Well I don't quite see the need to trash-talk - wasn't my point or intention.. Just saying, there are lots of experienced racers out there(LST2 forums, to name one ex..) who have had bad experiences with LST2's... There ARE however a select few who talk up the STS like it's god's gift to RC, and it's the newbs who buy into it and go buy these what are apparently PIA engines..

For one thing, I just now read on another forum somebody saying you shouldn't move up to %30 nitro til after SIX to EIGHT GALLONS!!!! I mean, sorry, that's just completely absurd.. Period. Same forum, different guy, his STS 30 just exploded... Competitive racers saying it's not worth the hassle of finding the right tune - IF you can - and IF it stays there - which apparently it doesn't.. Just buy a Nova from the get-go, especially if you have to run numerous extra gallons of nitro through it to make it run right... As I see it, there's no point in buying an STS unless you want the technical challenge of making an inferior piece of crap work right....

No thanks - very happy with my Axial thanks.. And will buy another when the time comes....

Run what you want and I through talking to children that have a lot of growing up and talked about the X the way they did. Later kids

The Savage X when it came out was loaded with flaws so I sold mine and am glad I did and will back that move up six ways from Sunday pal... The fact that 1.) HPI soon started shipping out diff upgrades and steel spur-gears, 2.) upgraded way more on the X SS than was previously the difference between RTR and kit Savies, and 3.) now that they've discontinued the 4.1 X RTR is about all I need to say. As a last point, Chronic has been so busy - partially - for a good reason.. Shall I spell it out? - so many early X TVP's broke way too easily.. So, I sold my X RTR for a mild loss, and got my XSS for a good deal. Couldn't be happier.. Especially with the Axial.... Which, to remind you, is what this thread was originally about...

Made the right call there, and in exactly the same way am making the right call by never going near an STS. Period....

Lauderboy your post was completely useless.... I was also debating what engine I should buy 2 months ago, originally, I didnt want a diff shredding powerhouse. My choices were the Axial .28, the XTM 457, the SH .28, and the STS .28. I was leaning towards the Axial and XTM but I jumped on a deal on ebay which was an STS D.30M for $99 with $15 shipping. Its the REV 1 but Im happy I got a Rev1 because its a lot easier to break in and doesnt run hot so its more forgiving. And even though it has low pinch it still runs like a raped ape and everyone who has it has a decent number of gallons on it without a loss of compression. I have taken all the necessary precautions with mine: Ive taken it apart to clean any machining dust out, I put ARO in it for lubrication, I sealed it up, and I teflon taped the carb for more protection of air leaks. These motors do need some TLC but from their design they are very high quality. I have yet to break mine in because Im waiting on some parts from ebay but im just giving my opinion from its assembly and construction. When I break it in and it gives me problems after about 1.5 gallons I will give you an honest opinion of the motor. So far Ive gotten the alum cups and a 19T CB to handle the power of this beast but I doubt that will be enough. Hopefully it wont twist up my dogbones cause I really dont have $$$ for CVD's. The only people that I have seen blow up their STS engines have been nublets that rushed the break in (which means they started tuning for performance before passing the 1 gallon mark), or did not take the necessary precautions with prepping the engine for use. If you dont really have eny experience with nitro engines or do not have the patience to take car of an engine properly then an STS is not for you......[8D] Tom.

The LRP is a better engine in regards to power output, but it makes the truck a handful to drive-at least in my opinion. The Axial makes for a more balanced ride-again, in my opinion. I got rid of a LRP Spec 3 and replaced it with an Axial and do not regret it.[8D]

As 46u says, there are people that can **** up an anvil with a rubber hammer. There are so many people with so many issues from so many engines, yet you only focus on the STS issues?

Dude, get a life, and quit spouting off on **** you have no clue about. just because YOU aren't worthy of an STS engine doesn't mean you have to poo-poo them.

And yeah 46u...can't wait for the new 28[8D]

Whatever dude.. Go surf any number of forums - and it's NOT all just clueless newbs(your favorite excuse...) There are a very few out there who rant on about how great STS engines are - one of whom is a pro-engine modder, the other here being sponsored by them - but there are just so many with major issues, as far as I'm concerned it's incontrovertable..

The fact that it takes TWO gallons just to break in an STS 30, PLUS replacing the carb and O-rings or whatever, you can ONLY run an STS pipe, and even then how long a life are you going to get out of it?? - is just absurd IMO.... And correct me if I'm wrong - but I heard you don't even get a warranty with STS.....

So when I praise Axial engines I'm saying something that you can see backed up all over the place.. When these few STS fanboys praise STS's, it most definitely does NOT fit with what the vast majority with STS's seem to be saying.. - and no, not just the newbs... So this has nothing to do with rubber hammers and anvils... This has to do with the fact that most people want to buy an engine that they can go have fun with - not one they have to screw with at every step of the way so hopefully it'll run right...

And to get right down to it - I'm frankly sick of the trash-talking by STS fanboys.. I like Axial, but I don't go around saying if you don't have one you're clueless and anything else is worthless... But that seems to be the message from anybody with an STS... Why?? Defensive maybe???

No, just like the X owners of around a year ago, we're VERY annoyed with your nay-saying attitude. You spout off about stuff that you don't have first-hand experiance with like you're some damned expert. I own 3 STS mills and not one of them has been a lick of trouble.

Maybe not all are newbs...but none that have problems have paid attention to what those who KNOW STS engines have told them. Take Mr. Gasket Sealant On The Head. or the guy wtih the trashed 30 because it got run super hot and blew up, or another guy that ran his car and truck HARD after a FIVE TANK BREAKIN with THREE SEPERATE STS ENGINES and broke them - ALL THREE - in the same place, where netiher Mark, 46u, or I had ever seen ANY freakin engine broken before, EVER!! These are all people that crap-talked STS, like they were doing what they were supposed to.

Experianced people- including myself-do stupid **** all the time. That doesn't mean that the product is to blame.

I have a sts .28 and this is the second engine I have broke in. I am still fairly new to nitro. I have about a year under my belt. I have never had a problem with my sts at all besides maybe to much power at times. This motor is just awesome. No complaints from this newbie Forgot to to say I have a rtr X and have had no problems with that either

The point about STS is, I'm sure with ENOUGH TLC(from say, a pro engine modder...) they can run OK, but on forums all you hear from these select few is "STS blows the doors off everything and you're a f.ag if you don't have one", so newbs go buy them and have problems. And IMO, MOST of these newbs wouldn't have those problems with say, an Axial...................

And in any case it most definitely is NOT just newbs.. Go to some of the LST forums, and lots of racers have had issues too, and so just say forget it it's not worth the hassle of finding and maintaining the right tune.. Some experienced Savy guys WITH a clue too have had their STS's just explode.... And on and on and on....

And the two of you can give up on the X RTR thing, cuz I couldn't be happier with the decisions I made, and what HPI has done since then pretty much supports most of what I was saying back then.. So please just leave that... I'm not going to say any more about that topic - you've got nothing to stand on there, so drop it...

that is the LRP 28 spec 3, awesome engine, one of the best, but yep parts are hard to get for them. Thats why im waiting for the P8, SH usually have a wider parts supply over LRP, and if its the same motor, then why not get a engine that is cheaper, more parts availabily and exactly the same. Hopefully it will be cheaper,

Heres the SH P8, its not released yet, but compare the stats of the LRP28 and the SH 28 P8 and they are identical
http://www.shengines.com/TECHDATA_PT28XM1AC-P8.htm