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Old 01-03-2010 | 09:02 AM
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I saw the turnigy 120 recomended up above from hobbycity. They also carry the hextronic. Is the turnigy better?
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i knocked the rear plate of the can (hold the motor in your hand and just tap the shaft with a hammer) when the magnet assembly comes out, you have 3 brass shims at the rear and 2 brass shims plus a nylon thrust washer at the front, take 1 shim from the rear and replace with another nylon thrust washer, put the plate back on and tap it home (lining up the shaft with the bearings)

On the bench, it runs a bit cooler so the next step would be to drill out the plates for ventilation
its a shame the shaft is'nt longer so you can put a fan on the end to draw heat away along with the watercooling jacket
great mod. so it sounds like the shims are a bit tight and are causing excess heat?
I would like to try one of these motors but the 1200kv version on 6s
Old 01-03-2010 | 12:40 PM
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i run the 1400kv on 2x 3s (6s combined) gives me about 35k rpm with a 30mm, 3 blade prop, might try 2 blade and see if theres any difference, with the shim replaced with the thrust washer, you get about 3mm play, the shaft rotates so much freely now but will still need to drill the vent holes (might get a local engineer to do it for me), i will strip it down and post pics of what i mean when its all done, its worth trying just to reduce temps

1 minute runtime

with shim - hot
without shim - not so hot
Old 01-03-2010 | 12:56 PM
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i run the 1400kv on 2x 3s (6s combined) gives me about 35k rpm with a 30mm, 3 blade prop, might try 2 blade and see if theres any difference, with the shim replaced with the thrust washer, you get about 3mm play, the shaft rotates so much freely now but will still need to drill the vent holes (might get a local engineer to do it for me), i will strip it down and post pics of what i mean when its all done, its worth trying just to reduce temps

1 minute runtime

with shim - hot
without shim - not so hot
your advertised rpm would be more of 31,000rpm on 6s and isn't this the 3674 12XL motor, not the KB45?
but please keep the updates going and any and all pictures you have to share!
Old 01-03-2010 | 01:02 PM
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i stand corrected, your right srt, it is the 3674 but the mod apply's to all KEDA motors from what i've read, will do with all the mods i do to the motor as its a good reference point for people

i will post them when i have the holes drilled and the mods are complete, that way the pics are'nt added a bit at a time but all in one go

any idea what the material of the end plates are (makes it easier for the type of drill bit needed)
Old 01-03-2010 | 01:24 PM
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i stand corrected, your right srt, it is the 3674 but the mod apply's to all KEDA motors from what i've read, will do with all the mods i do to the motor as its a good reference point for people

i will post them when i have the holes drilled and the mods are complete, that way the pics are'nt added a bit at a time but all in one go

any idea what the material of the end plates are (makes it easier for the type of drill bit needed)
yep the same mod works with different motors..
I think the ends are aluminum?
mine look that way
Old 01-03-2010 | 01:32 PM
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yeah, i think they are, bearings feel pretty good, no squeeking or grinding so i'll leave them for now, i'll do the drilling tommorow as its late evening now
Old 01-03-2010 | 05:10 PM
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I saw the turnigy 120 recomended up above from hobbycity. They also carry the hextronic. Is the turnigy better?
I havent tried the hextronic 120a but i dont like the fact that its not watercooled.............if your running on a July day in a closed hull it doesnt seem like a very good combo for success.............?? My turnigy has been awesome...runs super cool, I have been told it has reverse if you can program it to activate it........im gonna check into that.
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Has enyone tried the Mystery 200A ESC.

Its capable of 6s and it 200a with a 210a burst wouldnt that be perfect for one of these motors.
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Has enyone tried the Mystery 200A ESC.

Its capable of 6s and it 200a with a 210a burst wouldnt that be perfect for one of these motors.
I have 3 of them!
Look at the caps for the volt ratings, mine goto 8s!
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How fast is that 45 inch boat with the KB in it? I am thinking of doing something very similar and don't know if it will be worth it.
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
Old 01-04-2010 | 12:28 AM
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Okay thanks! I have a 47 inch hull and dunno wether to make is gas or electric. I was thinking about 2 KB45 XLs or 3 KD36 XLs or a zenoah.
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i have the mystery 100a in 2 of my boats, i'm gonna shave the fins of the heat sink, add some double sided thermal tape and stick the cooling plate to it

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shave some fins down, add 3 small lengths of alluminium tubing and thermal epoxy them into place
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
wow 30ish on 6s?
sounds like something is not right..
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Okay thanks! I have a 47 inch hull and dunno wether to make is gas or electric. I was thinking about 2 KB45 XLs or 3 KD36 XLs or a zenoah.
it all depends on how much you want to spend, and that will determine how fast you can go..
a 47" hull needs a good amount of power to get good speeds. a stock zehn will get the boat to mid 40s and a RCMK will push it to mid 50s +
on electric you would need a NEU 1521 min on 8s to rock it good.
KB45 motors are amp hogs, they wast alot of energy in heat, but you could try the 700kv on 10s
http://hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store...hless_Inrunner
or the 1000kv motor on 8s?
http://hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store...hless_Inrunner
the key with big boats is low kv with high volts. that is the only way to get good speeds without burning things up
Old 01-04-2010 | 03:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: nick 30

i have the mystery 100a in 2 of my boats, i'm gonna shave the fins of the heat sink, add some double sided thermal tape and stick the cooling plate to it

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shave some fins down, add 3 small lengths of alluminium tubing and thermal epoxy them into place
on mine it pulled the heat sink off and epoxied aluminum tubes to run water lines through it
works good
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
wow 30ish on 6s?
sounds like something is not right..
That is an estimation from eyeing it...........hence the "ish" part on the end...................maybe upper 30's, but this is speculation til i gps it.................its really not even debatable til then since its simply an estimate............and i'm not entering it in a SAW event, its a big 45" Dumas, a pleasure cruiser..........Plus, if i had said it went 50, then the "its cant be that fast" would have started, i dont inflate speeds, it just does what it does.
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I planning on putting two motors in a 32" Maxcat for starters.....Then scale up to a 42" Maxcat.....Then later on a custom 40" KITON

But know im thinking about throwing them into a 44in mono i have just sitting around. Thats if i dont sell it first.
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
wow 30ish on 6s?
sounds like something is not right..
That is an estimation from eyeing it..hence the ''ish'' part on the end..maybe upper 30's, but this is speculation til i gps it...its really not even debatable til then since its simply an estimate..and i'm not entering it in a SAW event, its a big 45'' Dumas, a pleasure cruiser...Plus, if i had said it went 50, then the ''its cant be that fast'' would have started, i dont inflate speeds, it just does what it does.
your pulling some big rpm numbers on a big hull (the rpm you have listed would be a SAW setup) and your getting 30ish? [:-]
something is not right
with the proper motor (big NEU-10s, 12s) spinning that kind of rpm would be pushing 70s IMO
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Yea i don't want to get a neu becuse they are too expensive for me and i'll prolly wind up scrapping everything out of the boat to build something else like i always do when i'm bored. I was thinking of the 3 KD36s on one outdive on 6s each. That way i can choose if i want it to have 1, 2, or 3 motors depending if i wanna go fast or slow with a long run time.(If i just want to just putt around or fake a SAW race) And use 6s2p 30c 5000mah lipos and have about 80-90 amps going to each motor. Prolly the 3000kv KD36L on 6s or 5s just because i already have one. And i want to keep in 6s or under because the escs are cheeper that way. So that would be around 5300 watts, and 6660 watts if i want to push it at all with 100 amps per motor. Pretty close to 9hp for 170bucks (2 motors cuz i have one and 3 cheap escs plus shipping).
That is about the most power for the money i can think up in my head at the time. That is kinda dream land stuff tho..

I thought about two 700kv KB45s a while back on 9s but i don't want to pay more for the high volt esc's when i am gonna wind up puting them in smaller boats down the road probobly. I have never had problems with too much heat very much on the KBs but they do like a lot of amps!! But two 1200kv KBXLs on 6s might be good? i have one of those too... hmmmm....

I wish i could afford one of the 11kw lehners and forget about it!!! anyone wanna buy me one? hehe
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
wow 30ish on 6s?
sounds like something is not right..
That is an estimation from eyeing it..hence the ''ish'' part on the end..maybe upper 30's, but this is speculation til i gps it...its really not even debatable til then since its simply an estimate..and i'm not entering it in a SAW event, its a big 45'' Dumas, a pleasure cruiser...Plus, if i had said it went 50, then the ''its cant be that fast'' would have started, i dont inflate speeds, it just does what it does.
your pulling some big rpm numbers on a big hull (the rpm you have listed would be a SAW setup) and your getting 30ish? [:-]
something is not right
with the proper motor (big NEU-10s, 12s) spinning that kind of rpm would be pushing 70s IMO
Its an "estimate"...............maybe im not a good "estimator" of speed while sitting on a dock............plus, like i said.............i run my boats way on the safe side..............smaller props and very cool temps.........seldom do my boats get over 110* on motor or esc...........and then it goes however fast it goes......... somewhere between 25-50. I can be sure that estimate is correct.
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If you are referring to mine, its probably 30ish...........
wow 30ish on 6s?
sounds like something is not right..
That is an estimation from eyeing it..hence the ''ish'' part on the end..maybe upper 30's, but this is speculation til i gps it...its really not even debatable til then since its simply an estimate..and i'm not entering it in a SAW event, its a big 45'' Dumas, a pleasure cruiser...Plus, if i had said it went 50, then the ''its cant be that fast'' would have started, i dont inflate speeds, it just does what it does.
your pulling some big rpm numbers on a big hull (the rpm you have listed would be a SAW setup) and your getting 30ish? [:-]
something is not right
with the proper motor (big NEU-10s, 12s) spinning that kind of rpm would be pushing 70s IMO
Its an ''estimate''...............maybe im not a good ''estimator'' of speed while sitting on a dock............plus, like i said.............i run my boats way on the safe side..............smaller props and very cool temps.........seldom do my boats get over 110* on motor or esc...........and then it goes however fast it goes......... somewhere between 25-50. I can be sure that estimate is correct.
What? Now your saying 25-50mph????
Ohh boy, I realy don't care how fast your boat is...
All my boats run low 40s to mid 60s and all verified by gps
all low kv motors and good volts = winning combos that last
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Yea i don't want to get a neu becuse they are too expensive for me and i'll prolly wind up scrapping everything out of the boat to build something else like i always do when i'm bored. I was thinking of the 3 KD36s on one outdive on 6s each. That way i can choose if i want it to have 1, 2, or 3 motors depending if i wanna go fast or slow with a long run time.(If i just want to just putt around or fake a SAW race) And use 6s2p 30c 5000mah lipos and have about 80-90 amps going to each motor. Prolly the 3000kv KD36L on 6s or 5s just because i already have one. And i want to keep in 6s or under because the escs are cheeper that way. So that would be around 5300 watts, and 6660 watts if i want to push it at all with 100 amps per motor. Pretty close to 9hp for 170bucks (2 motors cuz i have one and 3 cheap escs plus shipping).
That is about the most power for the money i can think up in my head at the time. That is kinda dream land stuff tho..

I thought about two 700kv KB45s a while back on 9s but i don't want to pay more for the high volt esc's when i am gonna wind up puting them in smaller boats down the road probobly. I have never had problems with too much heat very much on the KBs but they do like a lot of amps!! But two 1200kv KBXLs on 6s might be good? i have one of those too... hmmmm....

I wish i could afford one of the 11kw lehners and forget about it!!! anyone wanna buy me one? hehe
3000kv on 6s will lead to a lot of smoke in a boat
Pick a setup with around 25-28,000 unloaded rpms....
Tell me again what boat you want to kick wakes with..
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Also what speeds would you like to see from your boat?


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