I am interested in getting Cedar Hobbies Twin Stick ARF; I have read some threads on other Twins, namely the Hobbico Twin Star; does the Twin Stick come with adequate Fuel tanks or sufficient space for larger tanks; I will probably run two 46 Magnums or 46 OS AX, etc. Thanks.

Das:

Ypu aren't going to have 15 minute flights, but to me the tank size is adequate.

Bill.

i could not force fit the included tanks into the spots. I changed to Dubro Tanks and get about 6 to 8 min flights.

I did a kit review on the Twin Stick and bought a second one for a back up since it was so much fun. See my avatar.

The tanks can be a pain. You make up the plugs, but don't install. You force the tanks into the space, then install the plug through the hole in the firewall. I used Zap-A-Dap-A-Goo to insure the plug stayed in.

I recommend 8 degrees of out thrust on each engine. With this you can do acro on 1 engine-mine has 2 OS .46AXs with APC 11-5 props. With the out thrust, you can lose an engine and not know it if other planes mask the sound.

Great combo-vertical climbs, any acro except 3D. Great diving outside squares.

I also recommend building the plane without the elevator and rudder servo, then check the balance. Mine is on the spar. If you need tail weight, put the rudder servo in front of the tail. If you need more, put the elevator servo in the right side.

It's a great little plane for the price $125. Heck, you can't get a profile for that price. There are a few little things: The gear is weak-I have a larger, stronger gear on it. I also put in longer wing bolts.

Hey Ed..On the three D...mix rudder into the engine throttles...Uh..not too much..the spin rate can get so high you flame out the engine spinning backwards. Knife edge will work without this mix,but easier. Mine has ASP 45's....(on the wings) a blast. Hammer heads also easier with rudder to engine mix. DO NOT allow this mix to operate below 50% throttle or taxi could be dangerous!! Been there,, done that..DO NOT DO THAT.
Twinman
PS OK so it still is not three D but more interesting...Oh, that is right..yours only has two engines!!! Tee Hee You "NEED" that .25 on the nose....just kidding!!!!

Without being degrading or insulting to any one in particular - THIS IS THE WORST PIECE OF JUNK I HAVE EVER SEEN ADVERTIZED AS A SPORT ARF!
It is the first ARF I have built that required a full tube of epoxy just to re-glue the joints left un-glued by the manufacturer.
And I will not go into the broken promises made by the distributor!
This should be called an ARG (almost ready to glue) instead of an ARF!
Take it from one UNPAID modeler - avoid this disaster like the plague!
[>:]

Gun:

Are we to assume you want to fight?

Too many positive comments to take your negatives seriously.

Sorry.

By the way, they don't pay me or Ed Moorman either. We both like the plane. I have one, Ed has two.

Bill.

Makes no diff to me. All I can do is tell the truth. Even the "distributor" agreed with me and made many promises - none of which did he keep!

How many ARF's have you seen that included a line in the instructions and mimicked by the distributor during a phone conversation, telling the builder to re-glue every important joint with epoxy because the manufacturer is too cheap to do a proper job (distributors words - don't blame me!)

I gave the man a more then adequate chance to redeem himself, but I do NOT like being lied to!

By the way - if you like the plane so well, how about buying mine?

My UNPAID..(whatever that was). two cents..I have over fifty flights on mine...more than forty with three engines, and a few on various combinations of one or two engines and the structure is still together. One nacelle did come loose, and I did reglue it...and one "BUDDY"..uh...removed the landing gear. Opps,,one decal is coming off.
Twinman
PS Would my Buddy like to fess up??. Ha Ha...

Twinman,

I am considering the Cedar Twin Stick for first twin.
Have flown Sig 4Star, Sig Fazer & Scratch Built Bill Evan's Flying Wing Simitar, etc. for many years.

Have two LA40's or two TT46's to try. All engines well broken in & excellent RPM.

What would be your choice???
The LA40's with a little less weight & more run time,
or almost vertical take-offs with two TT46's???????

Would I still be able to keep it in the air & land on only one LA40?????
Most flying is from a well-mowed grass strip.

Thanks very much for your consideration with this matter.

Art Gladfelter

Did I do That, Oh yeah I guess I did.

I thought that WAS covered up nicely, but I guess that one canardly ever know for sure these days

Hi Art,
Yes, the LA'a would fly it and keep it in the air. Single engine take off, vertical, loops on one engine...All the above...NO

TT's and 11x5 or 12x4 props a blast and yes, unlimited vertical!!!..I have two ASP's had is great with 15% fuel...Got heavier when I added the third .25!!! another story..do not do, but I needed it!
Twinman

Greetings Twinman,

Thanks for your very PROMPT reply on keeping Cedar Twin in the air with one LA40.

Have a great-extended weekend!!!!!!!!!!!

Art Gladfelter

I would go for thrust props on the LA's maybe 11x4 or similar. This is not meant to be a fast plane, so thrust is more important than speed. Not sure the LA would turn well an 12x4, but if you go for the TT's use that!!
Good Luck,
Twinman.
PS Isn't lunch breaks on company time great!!!

Thanks...Twinman for your additional suggestions on prop size.
LA40 with 11-4 on Sig Fazer did OK years ago for a starter.

One other thing I should have asked Neil at Cedar Hobbies on dry weight of Stick which is listed as 6# 12 oz.
Is this the plane w/o Engine, Radio, Servo's, and Fuel Tanks?
Or, is this the total typical weight w/o fuel??

Thanks in advance.

Art Gladfelter

If I was as smart then as I am now,
I would have probably screwed it up.

Hi again Art Gladfelter
I cannot give the exact weight of the stick less engines, but it IS NOT that heavy. Very light...Would GUESS and I say GUESS around 4 pounds...MAX. It is a stick.
Keep us posted. Now, if you do the rudder to engine mix, do not over do the engine lowering mix. It will spin like a top, but could flame out the engine in reverse. Some mix is more fun as Knife edge is easier, but not necessary.
Good Luck,
Twinman
PS SHOULD be fixed..but check the glue inside the nacelles.

Greetings Again Twinman,

Thanks for your estimate on the weight of the Twin Stick.

I'm still thinking about going with a twin.
If/when I start with a "Twin" I'm not sure if all the single engine planes in my hangar may feel left-out for lack of flying?????????

I have only 4Ch Radios w/o any mixing capability and would probably try a Twin that way first.

Take care.

Art G.

Art Gladfelter
Uh,,,what lonely singles do you have?
Any candidates for conversion? What engines do you have spare?. More and more twins coming every day after LONG dry spell.
Four channels are JUST fine for twins. Just a little more tweak's mechanically for sync'd engines, but NO big deal. Send pictures and experiences.
Good Luck,
Twinman
PS Vertical test Always, and fly with the rudder always...Ok Ok,,off my soap box..Got to go fly my three engine stick!!!

Hey Twinman...Thanks for your encouragement.

From late 1960's I still fly a DeBolt Champ(OS 26 @ night with lights) & Two Midwest Sky Squires(OS FS52 & TT 46).
(Those planes were made BC...Before Children...but I still fly 'em with updated radios).

In recent years added Two Sig Fazers(TH 40 & TH46), Sig 4 Star & MidStar 40(TT42 & LA40)...and really like Bill Evan's Flying Wing(Scratch Built From plans in July 1988 RCM ....64" Span with TH 46). I don't know how a Twin Flying Wing would be??? Also flew Pizza Box 24"Square with LA40 last 3 years.

I'm still in the "Twin" thinking stages. Have 2 extra LA 40's & 2 TH/TT 46's.
Even now considering a Twin Delta Wing with elevon mixing...but saw only one plan on RCU.

So...that's where I am.

Keep 'em flying.

Art G.

If you don't mind hand launching or using a launcher, here's a twin delta built from a Diamond Dust single engine kit. I am using 2 OS .25FX with Jett tuned mufflers. The OS .40 LAs ought to be just right. I think the 2 .46s would make the plane way too nose heavy with nothing to move-the battery is already in the back.

It's really an easy airplane to fly. The first launch is exciting since you need to trim, but now it takes right off the launcher. I fold the rear table legs down to get it at an angle and I use a little, 1/8"-3/16", of up elevator set into the landing switch so it doesn't drop right off the end of the launcher. At about 50' or so I flip the switch off.

I have 2 landing skids on the bottom and land it on a hard surface runway. It comes in and touches down fairly slow; easier to land than most twins.

I have plans for the modification to the stock Dust kit.

Greetings Ed,

Thanks for your suggestion on making the Diamond Dust a Twin.

Would like wheel for grass field.

Not sure how much performance would be reduced w/wheels???

Art G.