Wow..I just saw my next plane..the Fliton Rogue 3D Bipe..
Seems fit for both electric and small nitro. Can't wait for mine to arrive!!
Here is link I found for bipe:

http://www.fliton.com/new/doc/frame.asp

That looks pretty cool. Let us know how it goes.

Local hobby store said they are back ordered,Hope they come in soon!

Got the call from my LHS, its in! I will pick it up in a few hours. I dont know what I'll put in it for power. I finished a Mini Edge almost two weeks a go and havent even flown it yet, bad weather. Mabey I'll go with a Hacker! I am going to check it out before I decide what to put in it.

Looks like a nice plane. I have so manny planes now I dont know when I'll finish this bipe. I saw it and decided that if I want one I should jump on it. I will sart on it tonight but I dont know what I will power it with yet.

Just finished building mine. I'll post some pictures with some mods I adopted. Setup is:

Hacker A30-16M
X-30 controller
APC 11x5.5E prop
TP 2100 Prolite
HS-56 servos all around

AUW is 29 ounces. If it flies heavy (I've heard it flies great at this weight and with this setup), I'll back-off to a TP1320 prolite pack to move the AUW back to 27 ounces and fly with appropriate throttle management to control the amp draw within the packs limitations and/or prop down to a 10x4.7SW

Hope this helps

Greg

As mentioned, attached are a few pictures of my Rogue 3D illustrating how I painted the canopy to match the design lines of the rest of the aircraft and a few others. I hope to maidening it as soon as the weather permits, but its been awful here in Northern California......

Greg

That's quite a bit heavier than the 24 ounces quoted on the specs. It's only 5 ounces, but thats a lot of weight on a small electric plane. Keep us posted.

I've never been able to get to the quoted weights on the Fliton products and agree it is quite a bit more than the 24 AUW ounces quoted. I reference the 28.5 onces against the wing area and estimate it will still feel light in the air. If so, great. If not, then I'll backoff to a TP1320 pack and prop accordingly to stay within the batter amp limits.

Naturally, all will be known soon when I take it up.

Greg

Where did you put the CG? And where does the battery go to get it done? (you may want to answer this after you fly it)

I also agree that 29 oz is a bit more than expected, one of the ounces is due to the motor you put in it, so this only makes Filton 4oz off, (unless there are some mods you are not telling us about)

But, btw, you are going to love that motor, it flies a 32 oz plane I have straight up, put a 12 X 6 E on it.

running CG at 3.7" back from the top wing leading edge to start off with. Regading weight, oh well, lets see...I have a spinner and a heavier JR receiver that you need (maybe 1 once extra weight), so say you could get it down to 27 oz AUW with the setup I have. Really, with the wing area it has, I don't expect this to be an issue, but I'll soon get it into the air and find out!

Greg

Give us the flight report after the maiden. We want to hear about it. Good luck!

Flight Report.............well, got a flight on the Rogue today, albeit in a lot of wind and here is my take as setup with the Hacker A30-16M, X30, TP2100 and 11x5.5E APC prop. CG at 3.7" back from top wing leading edge. AUW28.5oz:

1) Ailerons are deceptively effective. They look small but have incredible authority.
2) Extremely fast and precise flight at full power with unlimited vertical
3) Very axial rolls
4) Monster rudder effectiveness...knife edge loops left and right only take a little over 1/4 stick on the backside
5) Harrier is slow and rock solid...it really felt stable
5.5) Rolling harriers don't require banging of the rudder/elevator to the stops to maintain attitude.
6) Quite a bit of adverse roll coupling and push towards gear in knife edge. Mixed out on the JRPCM10X. There was more coupling than I expected.
7) Hover at a little below 1/2 stick
8) Deep blender break. Mine broke at about an altitude of -1/4" into soft grass. Amazingly, only cracked the cowling and loosed the top wing cabane mount. All easily repairable. I had the majority of the energy disappointed hence little damage, but I wasn't expecting extra altitude loss compared to the Mini-Extra. In any event, its ready for the next flights as soon as the Monsoons in NorCal cease. I'm off to Vegas for some weekend fun, so won't get more stick time until next week.

This is going to be a ton of fun to fly!

Greg

Here is some food for thought!

A Katana mini has a wing area of 2.6 Square feet and weighing in at 28oz, this would give it a wing loading of about 10.75 oz per sq ft,

The Rogue with a wing area of about 2.8 square feet weighing in at 28oz would have a wing loading of about 10oz per sq ft.

Keep in mind that the Rogue is almost 40" long, trying to compare this plane to a 400 size electric wont work, just because the wing span is 31" does not mean that it can be compaired to a 31" monoplane, It has two wings!

This is a quote from Crater creator

Crashis Clay

Greg

I saw your video of the 330 it was some great flying. Do you have a video of the Rogue yet?

Hi Big Barry...thanks for the compliments on the Mini-Extra Video. I'm pretty well dialed into the Rogue now and just need some free time on the weekend, good weather, and my camera buddy to take some video. The plane has some very cool flight characteristics that I'll be showcasing in the video and I hope to get it out very soon. Rolling loops and point roll loops are extremely powerful with the Rogue without the typical pucker factor you can have on the backside when performed low with a monoplane. With the 11x5.5E prop, its the fastest plane in my fleet, yet slows up and harriers awesome! I finally decided to NOT using any mixing, rudder to aileron, since it is highly dependant on speed. I grew up without using mixing, so its easier for me to just fly it all things being considered.

Greg

I am starting on mine right now, I just finished a Mini Edge and my electronics are in that so I will wait or buy a new power system and electronics. These electrics are addicting. Any mods I should employ durring the build?

Mine just arrived. I hope to start construction this weekend.

Barry..the Mods are did are as follows:

1) stiffen up the langing gear plate by soaking it in thin CA followed up by medium CA where it connects with the fuselage supports.

2) be sure to use epoxy (removing the covering to expose wood) to join the elevators together

3) I painted the aileron connecting rods white

4) masked off and painted a design to match the fuselage on the cowling

5) seal all control hinges with hinge tape

6) built a battery floor with velcro strap to hold the TP2100 prolite packs I use.

good luck!

Greg

Ive got a ques. im not an electric guy but it says it includes a LA 15 mount, does it also include a fuel tank. and how are the directions for nitro powerplants.

Hitec HS 55

The Rogue comes with a plywood mount that you have to build for the OS .15LA motor. It does not come with a fuel tank. Most of the hardware is adaquate for nitro flying. The control horns are red anodized aluminum. The plane is set up for the electric install for the most part. You will have to spend some extra time fuel proofing it, and beefing up certain parts like the firewall, and landing gear.

There are no mounting brackets for the throttle servo, so you will have to make one. There is plenty of space inside the fuselage for a fuel tank. 2-4oz should fit fine with some minor modification.

The motor mount is set up for a horizontal motor install, cylinder head to the right. I think a inverted install would look better, and would eliminate the need to cut the cowl alot.

Greg thanks for the tips and by the way your Rogue looks great.

So far this is all that I have to to mine.

Ive almost got mine finished.

Here's the equipment set-up I am using

E-flite Park480 brushless outrunner(I want mad power)
E-flite 40A ESC (better to have more than not enough)
4 Futaba 3110 servos.
Hitec 05S Rx
3cell 2100mah lipo 15C discharge

Im programming flaperons on the radio, so we will see how that works out...Im hoping for some super slow high alpha harriers.
Im also planning on doing some ductwork to direct airflow over the ESC and battery. Top it all off with a nice APC E prop...

I plan on weighing it soon. Im guessing between 23-27oz, and perhaps the maiden this weekend.

Im seriously considering ditching the wheel pants. Its just useless added weight, and all they do is get caught on stuff anyway. I also plan on ditching the stock landing gear for a one piece carbon fiber gear.

Here's me with my new friend

What prop do you like for the 480? I was using a 12x6SF on my ME. It has Mad power. I am thinking of trying a 11x5.5E next. Even with a SF prop the ME can scoot along pretty fast. I think the Rogue with its sleek lines will be very fast with this combo. What CF gear did you put on it? I agree about the wheel pants I put mine on last night and they dont even fit right they are canted at angles because of the shape of the landing gear.