dbow,
there is no way in the hell your razor is going to be 4 1/2 lb. my seduction freestyle weighs 4 1/4 lb, but it was a kit and i built it very light and used epoxy only on the firewall, wing joint, wing mounts, and landing gear plate.

if you stick the horizontal stab in the hole and shim it on 4 corners then that is all you need to do. remember IT IS IN A HOLE!!!!!!! if something is supported on 4 sides then were the hell is it going to go, you could glue it with spit and paper.

the seduction freestyle/razor is very strong without any modification. i did a header into the ground at high speeds when i had an aileron fail on me and the only thing that broke was the fuse right behind the wing. i could have fixed it but it would have been heavy, like yours, so i bought another one and it is beautiful in every way.

Your plane is going to come in at well over 5 lb and you have completely destroyed the flight characteristics of the bird. it will no longer be any good at 3d flying. and when you reprt that the plane wont perform well at 3d at complain about that as well you need to remember that you are the one that screwed it up. congrats!!!!!!

Shadowspring,

You might be right, maybe adding a couple blocks of balsa to the tail destroyed this plane...maybe not.

Either way do us all a favor and keep your ill attitude off my thread.

Thanks

Dbow

If the scales say 4 1/2 then it might be 4 1/2. dbow is just giving his opinion on the quality of the kit so far. Some modifications were made on my Laser3D's tail to make it stronger and it will do everything I tell it to do plus some.

Thanks Southern Touch.
That is exactly what my intentions are, I did let everyone know that I am not an experienced builder and have not been around the model airplane hobby very long.

I did weighed the plane on my fishing scale which is fairly accurate to a certain point.
With engine, electronics and so forth it is currently slightly over 4 lbs.
I have to put on the muffler, wheels, canopy and the cowl and it will be done.

Im guessing it will be close but should be somewhere between the 4-1/2 to 5 mark. I really dont think it will go over 5 but I could be wrong. If that becomes the case then I think I will find some lighter servos and see what else I can do to reduce the weight.

I will certainly post the final weight, everyone reading the thread will be able to make their own assumption as to the weight etc. If I screwed it up then I will have to get another model and try again. I really think it will turn out fine though. When I get home tonight I will throw all the remaining parts on the scale and get the total weight.

Dbow

If I screwed it up then I will have to get another model and try again. Dbow
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You seem have a good attitude about how it goes with models, so what is keeping you from building it the way it came. Very light! You really will be suprized on what little material it takes to make something work. My GP Cap was my test bed, if I had used a lighter engine it would of been under 4lbs and it is a 60 size plane! I could not break it, parts did not fly off, full throttle snaps, blenders and walls did not phase it.

Everyone want to build like, "this is what I did before," or "that can't be strong enough". I'm glad the Wright Brothers didn't have that mind frame.

I'm not being negative, just trying to expand ones thinking.

BTW: You probably won't want to be around when I fire up my 27lb, 41% Edge. Heh heh

Darrinc,

I welcome the advice, that is the other reason that I started this thread. I am learning a lot from all of you, however I do not think that anyone needs to have a bad attitude to make a point. I am not speaking about you Darrin but another that posted on this thread.

I weighed the plane and all of the parts just a few minutes ago, it came in under 5 lbs, it is hard to be real accurate with my fishing scale but it looks like 4-3/4. I did not weigh the remaining screws and so forth but there is not much weight there.
I do also have a heavier battery pack in the plane right now so when I actually put the one for this plane in there it will loose a little there.

Per everyone's advice here I will not add anything more to the plane, I was planning to beef up the area under the gear and a couple other places but I will leave it as it is.

Dbow

A 27lb 41% Edge 540??? Dude you know you are going to have to back that up with pictures and a video.

I am working on the molds now, I have the prototype 35% wing ready for the "test to destruct" point now, it's 1lb.

It's definately different thinking, but more of going back to how they wanted to build models in the start of the hobby, just using the equipment they wished they had. Kind of like Jack Northrup's flying wing and the B2. I'll be using a mixture of contest balsa, composites and modern equipment. (vac bagging, molds, ect) It will be powered by a DA100, digital Hitec servos, and Lithium Poly batteries.

Like nothing anyone has ever seen.

I hope!

Keep us posted on how all of the test go. If this thing stays together @ 27lbs then you got something worth a lot of $$ on your hands.

Layne,

Will do! I finalized my spar design and started the layup tonight. Hope to be breaking a wing by monday.

If this works, can you imagine what I could do with a 50%. Cool!!!

Dbow, what happend to the Razor Dude?

I was thinking of buying one but changed my mind after reading all the bad press(many items before I got to your thread). Sure hope everything worked out for ya.

Never mind, I'll email you.