So Dan, have you told your folks to return the GT-80 and gwt the ZDZ 80 yet?

Varad I own a Giant Stinger and a Aeromax. I have flown bigger airplanes than a Magic. Another thing is that my parents told me if the GT-80 is not enough they will buy me another motor and put the gt-80 on my Giant Stinger or something else we have. This plane is not all about hovering. It is about how a airplane is supose to fly. Helicopters are the hovering things. And I do have one and fly it a lot. I dont really care about what people say about a GT-80. I like these engines. What is the big deal with this anyway. I can decide what type of motor to put on my plane and everything. I believe a GT-80 will be enough. And I am not going to put a DA 100 on that airplane. A lot of people said that it will make the airplane fly apart. Well at full throttle

THE BIG DEAL IS
Y0U ASKED FOR IT YOU GOT IT YOU SHOT IT DOWN
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I have seen a Sukhoi fly with a GT 80 and it did wonderful. It hovered really well and had plenty of power. I have seen it done with a GT 80 and it work perfectly.

KID WHY DID YOU POST THIS IF YOU WERE JUST GOING TO BLOW EVERY BODYS VERY GOOD ADVICE TO YOU IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENCE TO ME I HAVE BEEN FLYING FOR 14 YEARS I'M 19 NOW THE PEOPLE THAT POSTED TO THIS MITE KNOW MORE THAT YOU DO BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT MORE STICK TIME BUT NEXT TIME THAT YOU ASK SOMEONE SOMETHING MAKE SURE ITS YOU MOM OR DAD YOU HAD VERY GOOD ADVICE ABOUT THAT BOAT ANCKER BUT FLY IT CRASH IT GO BUY THE RIGHT ENGINE NEXT TIME YEA YOU SOUND LIKE YOU GOT THE MONEY TO BUY THE RIGHT ENGINE BUT WANT YOU BE HAPPYER TO HAVE A PLANE WITH LESS HOLES IN THE ENGINE BOX I KNOW WHAT WORKS AND DON'T BUT I STILL ASK THESE PEOPLE FOR THEIR ADVICE IT WORKS A LOT BETTER I FLY A CASE OF FUEL A WEEK PLUS 2 TO 4 GALLONS OF GASS THATS A LOT OF AIR TIME FLYING IS MY LIFE I HAVE FIGURED OUT WHAT WILL WORK AND WON'T THAT BOAT ANCKER WON'T POWER THAT PLANE THE RIGHT WAY FOR 3D OH CAN YOU EVEN FLY AT ALL SORRY EVERY BODY ELSE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THESE THINGS THIS TIME......

Way to go Prophanger. After I posted my two cents I was hesitant to look back on here. Figuring I would get slammed for being to tough on the kid. I am glad to see there are other like me.

David

I think i need to post my two cents. I fly at least 3 times a week my hangar 9 edge. I have a saito 180 on it and run 30% fuel. Everyone that has a H9 edge with a saito 180 will tell you that it will hover and i assure you that it will, it just doesn't have all of the reserve power that is desired. I also fly my dads H9 sukhoi with a GT80. I also like zenohas. They are some of the most reliable engines you can buy after they are broke in. My dads sukhoi will hover and pull out, but more power is desired. My H9 edge with the saito that everybody gripes about has more pull out power than the sukhoi. You NEED more power. Just because it will pull out of a hover means jack crap. you need more power and that throttle response that you didnt seem to worried about for walls and smooth hovers. If you only have just enough power and you have to blip the throttle, the plane will pick up a little downward momentum and when you throttle back up the engine will struggle to pull the plane back up. also extra power helps way out when you are doing waterfalls. I know the sukhoi is an awesome 3-D machine, but my dads will not. It will harrier, hover and torque roll, but that is about the extent of it. That is one opinion. My other opinion is that if you ask someones about something you dont know, and an expert on the subject gives you his advice, it is FOOLISH not to take it. The way i see it you have wasted everyones time by them trying to help you out, but you wont let them. Anyways, good luck with the ZDZ 80 or DA 100 because thats what will go on the plane after you finally realize that you have screwed up. Just let us know when you decide to change engines and we'll try not to ignore you or say i told you so.

lets lighten up on this kid......anybody using this engine plane combo that can give him some performance hints, such as prop recomendiations, engine mods for more power ect. Sukhoikid welcome to RCU, sorry youy are getting a lousy first experience here. I just got my Sukhoi and am goint to assemble it after thr first of the year. Don't know if Ican be much help, but E-mail or PM me and i will do my best.....
best
brian

liten up my but this kid kept my mail box full all dang day he is not a kid i went to his web site he looks like he is 35 he is not 14 they had his name under his pic so it was him you don't look like that when you are 14 i don't look like that at 19 i can give him one tip to get power like it needs byron boat fuel 35% with a ch box

i have a FPE 5.8 26x10 APC prop on my sukhoi . havent flu it yet , will keep you posted...had to add 1 1/2 pound to nose..

I bet you wouldnt have had to add that much weight if you would have brought your rudder servos internal around the CG and used a Gang system. Plus a CF tailwheel would have cut out on a lot of that. If you can save 6oz. in the very back then you can cut out on the majority of the weight you had to add.

yes i should put servos in front i still might do that after first flight..i am geting ready to start a hanger9 extra 33% going to see how fpe pulls the sukhoi. if it dont do well i will probly go with the zdz80.

sukhoi"kid": I say listen to these guys. I have no experience with gassers or big planes but i have more experience of not lissening than you would care. However, i am the same age as you (that is, if you ARE 14 and not 35) and i have lernt almost everything i know about 3D flying from the guys here on RCU. If i were you id listen and soak up as much info as possibe then make your desision.

Ian

this guy has to be way older than he said he was the pic i saw had his email and aim caller under it with his name and he sent me a link of a pic of himself at his club the pics had been removed

sometime in your life you will learn to take others advice one way or another trust me on this i'm 19 now been were your going in life you do not want to have to go there i wish you the best of luck on finding a good price on a zdz 80 or da 100 when you fly the plane ru

I hate to burst your bubble but he is a kid. There must be a mistake with the pictures and the names b/c we both attend the same fly in (twice a year) and we have camped next to each other for the past 4 years.
He told you guys what he got for christmas and asked you what do you thought. He already has the motor and it will work fine. Im sure it will hover and pull out (Not sure about how much authority it will have). If hovering is the only thing he wants to do then I understand your concern but theres a lot more to flying and even 3D than hovering. Will this motor work out as good as a ZDZ80? NO. Will the ZDZ80 work out as good as the DA-100? NO. But the fact is this is the motor he has and if it doesnt pan out then he has a home for it already and will get a ZDZ80 for the Sukhoi.
The first few post were right on the money but some of you are getting way to "womanish" (good word huh?) about this, and now its starting to lead to personal attacks. Keep in mind guys its all about having fun. If the GT-80 doesnt hover his plane the world wont stop turning.

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I'll accept your point Layne, you accept mine.
Are you presuming this kid won't improve as a pilot? Were not. We all know that while the GT-80 may fly the plane, albeit marginally, it most likely will not be the best match. As his skills improve, (and they will fast as lightning) the probably of him crashing also increases, as he won't have the extra power to save him in the event of some trouble.
Moreover it's the way he so casually blows off this advice, that he asked for in the first place.

Well, in his first post he mentioned he wants to do 3D and hovering, so the question was answered, this is the wrong motor to do that. And I understand the fact that his parents bought it all for him and he wants to try it, thats cool, but no it will not perform great is all we are saying.

Good luck!

I own the Sukhoi that Troy Built Models custom built,& I can assure you that the performance @21.75 lbs. w/ZDZ 80 is nothing short of amazing.This aircraft was custom modified for me by Gene for IMAC competition & is the only one like it anywhere.Gene is a master at making planes LIGHT!!& balanced for max performance..I am getting ready to offer this aircraft for sale as I am not going to pursue IMAC competition.If anyone is interested in it you can e-mail me, at thustonsmi at aol.com

Hey, what is exactly all done to yours to make it so light? Just CF parts?

Here you go John
Read this > http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/WhyLighter.html

You beat me to the punch Stomper.Most of the mods can be purchased directly from Gene @TBM & the rest is a very careful lightning of the fuselage in general..The radical mod was moving the wing back 2" to change the center of lift to offset What the designer did to allow the use of such a heavy engine as the Zenoah 80.This airplane will hover at just above idle & will accelerate straight up faster than most planes can in straight & level flight.Like anything that is built for max performance it AINT cheap but you get what you pay for.Bottom line is "LIGHT IS RIGHT".Does the term "WING LOADING" ring any bells?

Move the wing back, forget about that. Can you get some pics of the lightened canopy hatch and fuse and stuff? Mine flies too well to screw with moving wings.

I have seen a wing moved and extreme lightening done on several models. It made a half @$$ plane move up to the same level as the Cardens, Exclusiv's, etc.

If someone wanted a carden, why wouldnt they just buy one, if your into heavy planes...