After hearing all the great things about the Capiche I'm ready to break down and buy one as a birthday gift to myself. However, in looking at Island Hobbies website, I find that I don't really know what to order. Too many choices - what's needed and what isn't? There are even several options as to the base kit.

For those of you that have built these kits, what do you recommend I get? I'm fairly experienced in that I have built three kits, two ARFS, numerous SPADs and several electric foamies(3dx, Southern X2).

Any and all details on what you suggest I get would be greatly appreciated!
Bill

Most people know what they want...

Order one of the "kits", it is cheaper.

Don't bother with the ABS cowl and pants, they never last as long as the GRP or carbon items, though I dont know the quality of the IH ones.

If you fly of grass, probably not worth bothering with the pants at all. The decals are nice, but not cheap. The tail skid is very effective.

I went with the full GRP monty kit.

Of course the other decision now is whether to go for the aero or funfly wing. I have got and only seen the aero version. Certainly does the business.

I went with the GRP/Carbon Kit1

Ive got the clear canopy, GRP cowl and th Carbon UC. I got no spats as i go off grass. I havent got all the decals and stuff yet
Also, get the 3mm puchrod set, very good quality i thought. The long aileron horns are good aswell. Get the wheels (as the axels are lurvly) and the fuel set. This pretty much makes a full kit up minus the obvious. Im not sure how many C50s have gone to amerca, you maby the first.

You wont regret the buy, its a great kit to make and if you get the added wood pack (which comes with the kit) the balsa is unbelievable quality. I could have sheeted mine w/o any steam or water.

Ian

Bill, I'm going to order the standard kit. I'm having it shipped to my daughter who is going to school in London. In 2 weeks my other daughter is going to London to visit her and she will bring it back for me. At Carbon Copy they quoted me a price $204.

Converting to U.S. dollars, Island Hobbies has the standard 3D Fun Fly kit for $219.54; $186.83 with the UK tax taken off. I'm not sure if the UK tax deletion applies or not and I don't know how much shipping will be but I'm emailing them to find out.

I'll probably add the wheel kit but am not sure if pushrods come with the basic kit or not. Not a big deal as I can get those locally. Still not sure as to what else to order although comments on this thread have certainly helped!

How do you get in touch with Carbon Copy? BTW - rc_sport-RCU - what engine are you putting in your Capiche? Where is Grayslake? Thanks
Bill

Hi

Thants the thick wing, very good but its not the usual freestyle thinner wing.

Over here jusrsy is VAT (sales tax i think you guys cal it) free. So, when it comes over to mainland UK we get the 17.5& VAT added on, if were lucky it isnt, but thats rare.

[quote]and I don't know how much shipping will be but I'm emailing them to find out.[/quot
For us, 8GBP

if you buy the tail skid (shallow S plate) you dont need to, lots use them

No, you need to buy them seperatly, you get the 2mm which is ok for sport flying, then you get the 3mm which is thicker and higher quality. With that you get the required amount of threaded rod, 5x ball joints and 5x metal clevises.

You used to have to buy the accesorie pack, this now comes with the kit, buy the decals, long horns, main wheel set, and buy lots of thoose hinges, there cheep, you get lots of them (20 a pack) and they are brilliant! the best ive come across.

[email protected] or [email protected] i cant remember which

hope this helps
Ian

Some facts for you...

Jersey is indeed VAT Free, and so far NONE of the deliveries into the UK have been charged VAT... so its more a case of unlucky if you get charged, rather than lucky if you dont....if you follow my meaning !

Carbon Copy is due to update their website very soon as thay have the old kit format and pricing structure on there... it was indeed becoming a little confusing for us and customers with so many different versions of the kit.... The IH price list reflects the new structure which starts with a base kit and then you add / subtitute what you want for a proportional upgrade cost.

Pushrods are not included in the base kit, as some people want a higher standard system than simple 2mm rods that come with most kits, so you dont pay for them just to swap them for something better. You get a choice to buy the 2mm set with quality clevises etc or take the 3mm set instead, at a higher cost. These are quality items as Eddy says.

The 3D Fun Fly as Eddy says has the thick borad chord wing for people who like a 3D hack about.... For me the original 3D Aero wing is much more enjoyable as you can do smooth aero stuff of 3D Like Mini TOC. The Fun Fly wing is good but not the main strength - I see its strength as an additional option rather than an exclusive fun fly...
The model used in my videos on the capiche website (the ones on the right of the frame) are using the Aero Wing... take a look how solid it performs... Im far from a great pilot but this plane really helps anyone...

As for what to order... its all good stuff - but the ABS cowl is well.... ABS, so it aint gonna last for ever... I agree swap this for GRP or Carbon at the very least. Clear Canopies are good though and the rest of the options are about moderate weight saves and different looks.

Here is where I'm at - thanks for the feedback Ian! All prices are thru Island Hobbies -

Capiche Base Kit 3D Aerobatic $177.47
Upgrade: Carbon composite undercarriage (landing gear I assume) $2.98
3 mm direct drive pack (pushrods) $12.48
3 mm metal clevises $4.37
C50 Wheel kit $10.14
9 oz. fuel tank $2.55
Total so far: $209.99 (all taking VAT off)

Do I need control horns?
C50 Throttle control run?
Nylon bolts, nuts listed for C50?
Anything else? I would like to get everything I need as I might have problems locally due to the limited metric sizes available. Also, what covering are people using? Thanks
Bill

Archie,
I posted the above before I read your post. To upgrade to the carbon cowl would add another $36.51. This brings my total to $246.60. Getting a bit pricey to me, especially since shipping isn't figured in. Since Carbon Copies hasn't updated their website, how can I get an updated price list?
Bill

Get a clear canopy, then you can add a pilot. Most of uspeople on the main C50 thread say that if you buy the carbon cowl you really need to make the fron of the plane black to blend it in (like luke 3D's). Ive got the GRP and i will spray it to my chosen colour scheme.


As the chamfer on the ailerons is allot id get the L&R horsn for the ailerons

This comes with either the fuel or the base acceories, in outer words no, you dont need it

No, in the base accesories

Get the fuel set, this comes with tank, fuel tubeig and filter and possibly the throttle linkage

They come with the direct drive pack.

Ian

Bill

The Fuel Tank, tubing filter etc, horns, throttle run, clevises etc etc all comes in the base accessories pack, which is included with any of the kits.

If you look at the IH price list the over and above the kit you just pick from the yellow highlighted items...

Basically for a full lot you would take

Kit - you choose the spec
Pushrod set - you choose the 2 or 3mm set
Wheel Set - lightweight sponge wheels, steerable tail wheel assy, main wheel axles with collets etc.
Thats it complete, unless you want to add things like props, spinners, etc.

You should not take any tax off the IH prices, they are exclulsive of tax already, but I dont know how this will work out as far as carbon copy is concerned - presumably since its export there will be no UK tax added so the prices should be same as IH.

When I talked Cowls, I was basically saying that the GRP item is worth the upgrade. The ABS ones are fine for a while but like all things ABS, unless you really look after it they eventually start to crack.

The carbon cowls are nice, but unless you are planning on doing a scheme that needs a black cowl, you are better off with the GRP one.

Definately get the control horns. You will need them for the ailerons.

Based on what Archie said, I should get the following and be pretty much set up with all control linkages, including throttle, tank and fittings, wheels, upgraded aileron horns and everything else. Is this correct? For some reason, the prices I had from Island Hobbies didn't have the yellow color coding. Is the canopy included? If the VAT isn't a factor, here is my order with revised prices:

Revised (Island Hobby prices) 1.8333 (conversion)
Capiche Base Kit 3D Aerobatic 113.75 $208.54
Upgrade: Carbon u/c 1.91 3.50
3 mm direct drive pack 8 14.67
C50 Wheel kit 6.5 11.92
Aileron Horns 3.25 5.96

Tot. 133.41 $244.58 U.S.

Thanks,
Bill

Oops - the tabs didn't translate so my numbers are all bunched - I intended to have the gbp number first then the U.S. dollar second. Here is the quote w/o the gbp:

Capiche Base Kit 3D Aerobatic $208.54, Upgrade: Carbon u/c $3.50, 3 mm direct drive pack $14.67, C50 Wheel kit $11.92, Aileron Horns $5.96 Total price = $244.58

yes, thats about right,most of the outher stuff you can get in america, the canopy comes with the standard kit, unless you want a carbon upgrade

Bill, I was thinking of trying the new OS Ultimate 70 or a YS63. Grayslake is 2 hours south of Madison. I plan on getting all my hardware locally, I hate to spend more then $250 for a 40 size kit.
Robert

Robert,
I see the YS 63 is on sale at Central Hobby for $219.98. Tough choice between the YS and the new OS although the O.S. is about $80 higher. Oh, how fast the money goes!
Bill

Most of us brits who whant the best on their c50 are going with the YS 63. I havent hear of the OS 70 till a while ago and dont know of anyone who has one, go YS.

Ah, but this is no ordinalry 40 sized kit! And its actually a 50 lol

I've read that the YS engines are great running and have good thrust to weight ratios but are difficult to set up and require special fuel. The YS 63 at $220 is certainly a bargain for a engine with a pump. What gives with the criticisms?
Bill

Sorry, all the bragging in the world won't justify that price for me. Personally I'll just wait for more of them to get out, hopefully a lower price will reflect that. Also, its a little too cold in the doghouse right now...

As for the ys 63, having own one for 2 years now, I'm hardly an expert, but I do not have any problems with mine. I can tell you that of the guys I know who had problems with ys engines, most of them were running 15% syn/cas blended fuel (I only run 30% heli). I do know 2 guys who had their tuning problems disappear when they went to 20% syn fuel.

Im thinking of getting the base set with carbon U/C and GRP cowl upgrades. Why not spats for grass? I fly off a grass field which is well trimmed.

If grass is cauugt up in the spats it can break them, nose the plne over, rp of the UC. If you patch is wel kept and rolled regularly i see no reason why not to use them

Yss: im going to use YS for my capiche, I will used MT YS 20/20 fuel . You need to use 20% all synth fuel for theese. If no tuning wil be a dog, it will throw props, it will run lumpy etc. Anyway, high nitro fuel is so cheep in america, why are you complaing[&:]?[&:]? The YS is worth ever penny from what ive heard

Spats on grass: in the winter ie October to April [] they fill up with mud and stuff, add weight, or they can get caught on long wet grass causing nose overs. Our strip should be OK for spats again sometime in April or May.

Bill, ain't that the truth.

Buying the Capiche is certainly a learning experience for me! Island Hobbies can't ship internationally - only to the UK. So if you are trying to purchase one in the US you then must work with Carbon Copy. Unfortunately, as mentioned previously, Carbon Copies price list isn't up to date. So far I haven't heard an answer back in response to my email inquiries.

I'm now thinking of going with the Pilot Seduction Wildstyle discussed in the thread "best 40 size 3D kit", but am waiting on pricing information for that too.

The other option I am considering is an ARF - the Hype or a Flip, both of which can be purchased in the U.S..

So - is the Capiche worth the hassle (not to mention the money!) over the Hype, Flip or Wildstyle?
Bill