Hmmm, good point. That wasnt a problem where I was.

Hi Wayne et al!

Here's a shot from today... had the runway to myself... it was bitterly cold and absolutely howling. The usual huge crowd all packed up and went home. Me and Filip stuck it out and Filip took this shot:

Yeah baby! Go get some!!!!!

i've been reading the post's from all of you and maybe i've fallen off track. did he want to know how to tr or some tricks to make it easier. the first thing i would tell him/her is to practice the hover. when you have that, start flying towards your self harrier style if available and pull the nose up if only for a few seconds so it hangs on the prop. and then fly out. do this until you are board or at ease with the bottom of the plane facing you. here come the tricks. when you are uprite the inputs are normal, but when the bottom is facing you except for the ailerons and throttle the rudder and eleavator are backwards. heres the trick. push pull, push the tail away and pull the tail towards you. when you look at the bottom if the the plane starts to lean towards the top you push the tail towards the plane. if it leans towards the bottom you pull the tail towards the plane. the rudder is a little easier to do. when the plane's bottom is facing you, move the stick "rudder" towards the wing that dips that will bring that wing back up. depending on who you ask the throttle bursts are more a style than a more control thing. bumping the throttle will produce more "torque" when it spools up and induce the roll. other pilots fly constant setting and are a little smoother. hope i have helped. RR

Whats the plane in the pic?

Hiya RR!

>>did he want to know how to tr or some tricks to make it easier. <<

The original guy who asked can already TR... just not as many revolutions as he'd like. Your tips are still great, though, and can help everyone reading the thread. :-)

Hey all... I am 17 years old and been flying since i was 12. I have always been into funfly, but it wasnt fun anymore. I heard about TRn and after about 2 months on the sim and 2 in real life i can sit my sudukhoi anywhere.... I can hover, TR, harrier land, taxi(flying taxing) , and i have cought it twice (one was supposed to be a rudder grab but when i did i hit the rudder and it broke so it didnt hover too well then so i cought it)! My advice is get an old plane like a morris hobbies ARF and the more it gets beat up the better. do not try to torque roll with a 10000$ plane!!! I will soon drop my AW edge in and i am sure it wont be as comfortable as my 100$ sukhoi but it will not be hard. learn to hover first not TR...When I first learned iwalked behind my plane with the motor blowing in my face almost touching the rudder to my nose. I felt comfortable doing it. THat is what i did and to this day it has come easy. I will start competing IMAC soon and hopefully win some too.... Well HAPPY HOVERING!

Hey John, JB and all: sure enjoying all the great input on the ins and outs of this great manuver. We are stil in the learning stage too and not getting down real low yet - keep thinking of the $$$$ ya know.
Of course Chris (13) is doing much better then me and has even got 3 good TR's out of our ole VK DR1 Triplane where I can get maybe 1 on a good day ! The H9 Cappy is a tough one to get going but sure looks sweet when it lock in ! Hope to get the Edge from our friend soon and see how it goes with that one, its the Aeroworks 33% er - flew it once and loved it ! Will have to get a decent sim as we are kinda snowed in now here in PA. Take care and keep having a blast , don't let em be fallin on your head !! Maybe we SB wearing some helmets for safety ??

Hi Derek!

>>I am 17 years old<<

You teenagers are always showing us up with your clear minds and fast reflexes!

Your day is coming, though. Wait until you get a job, a wife and a few kids!

Seriously... keep up the good work. I look forward to hearing about lots of great successes from you in competition in the future.

Hi Rod!

>>Maybe we SB wearing some helmets for safety ??<<

Great idea... how do we get them over the prop? ;-)

Tell Chris I said, HI! and keep warm!

the funfly is a scratch built plane called a biggass funfly. the origanal was featured in the ama mag, a few years ago done in the pink panther colors. built by a guy named dwyane staco and his brother. that pic was taken in ft lauderdale fl, during the lunch time demo at the NMPRA C/C, JR GOLD CUP pylon race on oct 19, 01. it was raining so we raced between the squals and i flew from under the pavillion. the specs are BME 100 w/a zinger 24x10 pro, all hitec 945mg 4 x ail, 2 x ele, 2 x rud. redundant radio, with onboard ign kill. 60 deg, deflection on all controls. RR

Sweet!

Ya BUDDY JB , what a great pic of you and the Cappy in a low TR !!!
Hope to get there one of these days ? Whenver I get down low Chris always says "Dad your scaring me" and I always say "well I gotta come down low so I can see it better" what can I say ?
Love that BIG ASS FUN FLY too futaba guy - pretty cool !! what is the span and weight on it ? Thanks , Rod & Chris in cold snow covered PA. Gotta think SPRING !!!

Hi Rod and Big Chris!

Thanks! I'll attach a neat shot from today.

This was taken by the club VP... so maybe the meeting Thursday night won't go too bad. :-) He's also a new Moderator here. :-)

Here's all I want Michael:

1) The okay to do hovering maneuvers over the runway if I'm the only one flying or if I'm flying with other like minded (or accepting) flyers.

2) The okay to do hovering maneuvers over the short grass on the other side of the runway if non like minded flyers are flying.

3) Communication, consideration, and respect all around. :-)

Seem reasonable Rod?, Wayne?...... Chris lil' buddy? ;-)

>>what is the span and weight on it ?<<

I'm interested in that, too. That can't be the plane that he talks about having a BME-100 on it? Gotta be a 20cc motor on that thing, right?

And, tell Chris I agree with you... us old guys need every advantage to keep up. Oh, how I'd love to trade Chris for his nimble thumbs. :-)

We don't have any issues about hov/trolling over the runway here. :-)

Ahh, yes, Joe figured that I would read through the threads and see the post to me along with the pic that I sent him...

Anyways, I just want to make it clear that there is no animosity towards any groups or type of flying. I'm into racing, aerobatics, etc.. I like it all. If I had a plane like Joe's, I'd be out tearing up the sky too <and hovering>. Joe hasn't been at our field long enough to see what I used to do when I had an aerobatic plane.... Giant scale racing and college has kept me so busy that I haven't had the chance to build anything new. But, I just wanted to make a flew slight comments to clarify some things.

Our (the SCCMAS) original comment that started things off in Nov was the fact that we do not want people hovering over the runway with individuals below the plane. I'm not sure if Joe mentioned it, but we commented on the fact that he had touched the rudder of a plane piloted by someone else while hovering on the runway. In our judgement, this is not exactly the safest thing to do. So, we wrote him a letter asking to stop touching tails of hovering aircraft. Likewise, the TOC banned Sominique <sp?> from having his crew attach a banner while hovering. The bottom line is we do not want to jeopordize our field.

I think what happened after the letter was sent to Joe is things tend to get "divided". People see the letter sent to him and take things like we are cracking down on one type of flying. This is not so. I'll admit that we have problems with all types of aircraft and pilots. No one is perfect. The racing guys tend to barge in on the airspace and get close-in, jet guys are overflying the red zones, and it takes a lot to combat these type of things. Plus, it seems as much as we mention it in the newsletter and at the meetings, some people still don't communicate out on the flightline. Our membership passed 410 last year. Simply put, that's a lot of pilots and it has been a challenge keeping on top of it. We saw quite a surge in 2001 in the diversity of planes and seriousness of the people flying them. I can tell you, I never thought I'd see the day when I can go flying on a normal weekend and see SIX turbines flying.

On the concern of hovering -

I believe hovering over the runway is fine as long as no other pilots are around. That's fair game to me.

BUT...

When you have others present, hovering is a different story. Some may be ok with a plane hovering near or in front of them - others may not. So we have to err on the side of those that it distracts.

The underlying comment is that we are looking out for all members and stressing safety and will be doing our best to set a fair basis for all pilots.

And when I get another plane that will hover - rest assured that I'll be out there doing it too. My last intended plane - Super Stinker, did it ok, but the Moki cut out at idle a lot! - That's another story in itself.


http://tsunam.tripod.com/stkr1.jpg
That was me on a normal weekend...

Regards,
Michael

Hi Michael!

Sounds good on request #1! :-)

On request #2...

It is 80' from the pilot stations to the start of the short grass. So, if I'm hovering in the short grass I'll be some 90 to 100' away. I'm hoping that's far enough away when others are present? That's my main goal for Thursday night.

Most of us have to work all week and it gets dark too early to fly after work. That leaves us with the weekend. On a normal weekend there is almost no time when other pilots are not flying. If we don't get the short grass on the opposite side of the runway... then we'll have to hover more than 120' away from ourselves. That's what I'm trying to avoid. Didn't I tell you I was very near sighted? :-)

>>Sominique <<

I'm holding my stomach from all the smiling and laughing that gave me, thanks. :-) That is a cool mix of his first and last name... Quique Somenzini. :-)

From Argentina... flying his pink Extra with red hearts... it's Sominique! lol Sorry, it's just so funny. :-)

Joe,

Those pics are great! I absolutely cannot wait to get mine done and flying. Could you send me the one where it shows you in the pic with the plane hovering over the runway, big enough to make it my desktop picture??? PLEASE!!!!

TIA
Scott

I told you I couldn't get the mix of his name right - e.g. the <sp?> =correct spelling... I blurred the first and last names together. my apologies.

I see you took a tape measure to the runway too! 80'. Not bad. I remember 75' off the top of my head, but I think that is to the safety fences.

We'll chat about it at the board meeting. I know you wish summer was here right now for those late after-work flights...

Michael

Hi Scott!

Thanks! :-)

What size is your desktop? (e.g. 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024?)

Send an email to

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So, I can attach a BMP. :-)

Hi Michael!

>>I know you wish summer was here right now for those late after-work flights... <<

I can't wait for summer so that I can fly again without having icicles for thumbs! :-)

John,

OH please! My heart bleeds for you.

Yesterday I was going to go fly and the actual temp here was 31F. If the wind wasnt blowing to 25, I would have.

Hey! This is supposed to be sunny and warm California! If it sprinkles here we don't even go to work! :-)

Got this dern Alaskan front moving through... bbbrrrrr... 50 degrees... the whole state is staying inside until it is back up to the normal winter temps of a cool, but tolerable, 75. :-)

I'd kill for a day in the 50's

Hi Wayne!

>>If the wind wasnt blowing to 25<<

You call that wind?! lol (guys always play this can you top this thing<g>)

I'm having my neighbor convert some video tape of me trying to harrier roll in the wind this last week. It's hilarious. :-) He's doing some of the TRs, too. Reminds me of a man getting pushed back by a fire hose. Hard as he might try... he's gonna lose. :-)