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09-27-2005 | 09:26 AM
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RE: Showtime
Larry - that is nuts! Don't tell you it will be pulling like 55+A average? I would love to go EP for a big plane but the thought of the lipoly going fat just kills me.
09-27-2005 | 10:39 AM
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RE: Showtime
mixmaster...The Showtime will make you get over your UCD. It's a pretty neat airplane. I've been flying mine a lot lately. My CG turned out to be 7 3/8". I left it there until last Saturday. I put a 1/2oz weight on the tail to try and make it hover easier. I didn't recheck my CG but I would guess it to be about 7 1/2" now. It did make it hover easier but I only got about 3 flights with it that way so I don't know what other characteristics it changed, if any. My guess is it didn't change much. Still very easy to land. This plane isn't like the Funtana where a very small difference in CG has a huge impact on the flying. It's more like the UCD in that fashion (more comparisons).
Anyways, 7 3/8" is where I've had it for 30 flights or so and I liked it there and it's easy to fly. The extra tailweight is just an experiment. If I like it better there I'll remove the weight and rebalance by moving my battery back a bit. I hate to add weight.
Good luck with yours.
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09-27-2005 | 12:01 PM
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For those using hitec servos , what arms are you using. I put on the metal arms they came with and they are too short to get full throws. In the manual it says to use hanger9 arm HAN3574 but it doesnt say what lenght they are
09-27-2005 | 12:26 PM
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RE: Showtime
Guys have a look at the photo. Do you think this JR metal servo horn is too big? Do you think I should place the ball link on the second hole from outside? It is slightly bigger than the one illustrated in the manual. Should I make the effort and redrill it you think?
Also do you really cross the pull pull wires as noted in the manual? I have never done it always put them in parallel.
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Nick
Also do you really cross the pull pull wires as noted in the manual? I have never done it always put them in parallel.
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Nick
09-27-2005 | 12:38 PM
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RE: Showtime
I use the karbonite long arms(double arms)that come with the digitals and I think with the HS625/645.If I just need one arm, I dremel off one and trim it,if using 4/40 screws&ball links, you need to drill the holes out a little.They dont give you max throws but pretty close.
09-27-2005 | 02:57 PM
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RE: Showtime
Bonedoc,
Kyles video is way cool!!
I wish I had half the flying talent that kid has!!
I have only been flying a couple of years (a year of that I was addicted to the Zagi).
I hope to be that good someday.
Magoo
Kyles video is way cool!!
I wish I had half the flying talent that kid has!!
I have only been flying a couple of years (a year of that I was addicted to the Zagi).
I hope to be that good someday.
Magoo
09-27-2005 | 03:04 PM
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RE: Showtime
tIANci,
I think it will draw less that that. As long as you have proper ventilation and did your set up homework the Lipos will not get fat/puff.
The drag is they still are pretty pricey. With their new Skyvolt system (individual cell monitoring) they get way more pricey!!!!!!!!
Lipos biggest liability is their resistance of damage in a big crash. Kokam is now making "pouches" that help cushion unwanted blows.
Magoo
I think it will draw less that that. As long as you have proper ventilation and did your set up homework the Lipos will not get fat/puff.
The drag is they still are pretty pricey. With their new Skyvolt system (individual cell monitoring) they get way more pricey!!!!!!!!
Lipos biggest liability is their resistance of damage in a big crash. Kokam is now making "pouches" that help cushion unwanted blows.
Magoo
09-27-2005 | 04:44 PM
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RE: Showtime
Nickolas...That is some servo arm. It will be plenty long. I didn't cross the wires on my pull/pull. I ran mine parallel. The work fine. I used the standard double side HiTec servo arm that comes with the servos. I think I have close to rated throws. But, I just went flying today during the lunch hour. I was doing some low high alpha knife edges the full length of our runway with a pull to vertical on each of the turn arounds. I only use the low rates (50%) and find that is plenty of throw. If you want to do a tight KE loop you just turn it to high rates. The standard servo arms give plenty of throws. I'm not using the SFGs today. When I use them, it takes even less throw. This is really a fun plane to fly. But, maybe because I noticed it, there is a funny "glitz" where the elevator losses all authority. It's starting to bug me now that I've noticed it. Today I did a down wind take off (10 MPH wind) and it lifts off just fine but suddenly loses all lift and falls back to earth and then bounces up and flys. Wierd. You can notice it most on the into the wind to downwind turn. There is a spot there where the plane loses its lift. If this happens at just the wrong time: Bye, Bye.
Anyways had a great time with this plane today. Our weather is in the mid 60s. Great temp to fly. Engines really perform well.
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Barry
09-27-2005 | 05:03 PM
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RE: Showtime
ORIGINAL: MIXMASTER
I use the karbonite long arms(double arms)that come with the digitals and I think with the HS625/645.If I just need one arm, I dremel off one and trim it,if using 4/40 screws&ball links, you need to drill the holes out a little.They dont give you max throws but pretty close.
I use the karbonite long arms(double arms)that come with the digitals and I think with the HS625/645.If I just need one arm, I dremel off one and trim it,if using 4/40 screws&ball links, you need to drill the holes out a little.They dont give you max throws but pretty close.
Use the single arm that comes with the servo (black one). it is longer than the double.
09-27-2005 | 05:29 PM
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RE: Showtime
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Nickolas...That is some servo arm. It will be plenty long. I didn't cross the wires on my pull/pull. I ran mine parallel. The work fine. I used the standard double side HiTec servo arm that comes with the servos. I think I have close to rated throws. But, I just went flying today during the lunch hour. I was doing some low high alpha knife edges the full length of our runway with a pull to vertical on each of the turn arounds. I only use the low rates (50%) and find that is plenty of throw. If you want to do a tight KE loop you just turn it to high rates. The standard servo arms give plenty of throws. I'm not using the SFGs today. When I use them, it takes even less throw.
This is really a fun plane to fly. But, maybe because I noticed it, there is a funny "glitz" where the elevator losses all authority. It's starting to bug me now that I've noticed it. Today I did a down wind take off (10 MPH wind) and it lifts off just fine but suddenly loses all lift and falls back to earth and then bounces up and flys. Wierd. You can notice it most on the into the wind to downwind turn. There is a spot there where the plane loses its lift. If this happens at just the wrong time: Bye, Bye.
Anyways had a great time with this plane today. Our weather is in the mid 60s. Great temp to fly. Engines really perform well.
Thanks
Barry
Nickolas...That is some servo arm. It will be plenty long. I didn't cross the wires on my pull/pull. I ran mine parallel. The work fine. I used the standard double side HiTec servo arm that comes with the servos. I think I have close to rated throws. But, I just went flying today during the lunch hour. I was doing some low high alpha knife edges the full length of our runway with a pull to vertical on each of the turn arounds. I only use the low rates (50%) and find that is plenty of throw. If you want to do a tight KE loop you just turn it to high rates. The standard servo arms give plenty of throws. I'm not using the SFGs today. When I use them, it takes even less throw. This is really a fun plane to fly. But, maybe because I noticed it, there is a funny "glitz" where the elevator losses all authority. It's starting to bug me now that I've noticed it. Today I did a down wind take off (10 MPH wind) and it lifts off just fine but suddenly loses all lift and falls back to earth and then bounces up and flys. Wierd. You can notice it most on the into the wind to downwind turn. There is a spot there where the plane loses its lift. If this happens at just the wrong time: Bye, Bye.
Anyways had a great time with this plane today. Our weather is in the mid 60s. Great temp to fly. Engines really perform well.
Thanks
Barry
L Maggoo I thought I sent you the link with Kyle's video
. I'm glad you enjoyed it. This video simply proves the effect of SFGs and the foamy story Mike McConville was talking about.
09-27-2005 | 07:48 PM
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Nickolas,
Sorry about that Nickolas !!!
I really enjoyed that video. That guy can really fly....inverted flat spins and KE's almost dragging on the ground....unreal!!!
I can't wait to come close to flying that well!!
Thanks Again,
Magoo
Sorry about that Nickolas !!!
I really enjoyed that video. That guy can really fly....inverted flat spins and KE's almost dragging on the ground....unreal!!!
I can't wait to come close to flying that well!!
Thanks Again,
Magoo
09-28-2005 | 04:34 AM
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Yes his rolling harriers are incredibly well executed, I would say this is the definition of rolling harrier not very fast but not very slow either at pretty high a. He wrote somewhere that he did not push the plane to the limit as he had some engine problems, I guess he can record a more impressive video than that....[8D]
All I can say is that this pilot has NATURAL TALENT and videos like that could be possibly used by Horizon for promo purposes.
Rgrds
All I can say is that this pilot has NATURAL TALENT and videos like that could be possibly used by Horizon for promo purposes.
Rgrds
09-28-2005 | 06:07 PM
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RE: Showtime
got mine done! Just need to find the canopy screws then take it up!
It has the follwing setup for those interested:
- YS 1.10 with a 90* custom header/elbow and muffler from Perf Spec. I needed this becuase the YS stock muffler would not clear the firewall so this solution seemed the easiest.
- Hitec 5625mg's all the way around and a 5645mg on the rudder in the pull-pull configuration. Futaba 3004 on the throttle.
- Futaba R148DF 8-Channel RX
the YS gave me problems so I did some more research and after some reading tried to lean both the low and high needles out. This seemed to do the trick. I will fire it up again before flight time this weekend to make sure nothing changed.
I also butchered the cowl pretty bad when I was trying to get the stock muffler to work. I will order another one after I get a few flights on it. Also got lots of gluey finger prints on the canopy. Anyone have a solution to cleaning those up?
matt
It has the follwing setup for those interested:
- YS 1.10 with a 90* custom header/elbow and muffler from Perf Spec. I needed this becuase the YS stock muffler would not clear the firewall so this solution seemed the easiest.
- Hitec 5625mg's all the way around and a 5645mg on the rudder in the pull-pull configuration. Futaba 3004 on the throttle.
- Futaba R148DF 8-Channel RX
the YS gave me problems so I did some more research and after some reading tried to lean both the low and high needles out. This seemed to do the trick. I will fire it up again before flight time this weekend to make sure nothing changed.
I also butchered the cowl pretty bad when I was trying to get the stock muffler to work. I will order another one after I get a few flights on it. Also got lots of gluey finger prints on the canopy. Anyone have a solution to cleaning those up?
matt
09-28-2005 | 07:33 PM
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Diablokid...Great looking build on that Showtime. Your setup is very similar to mine. I hope you like yours as much as I do. Good luck with your maiden. Good luck with that YS, they can be very tricky to set up. I'm just beginning to get mine running good. I found most of my problems were in the regulator. I'm open about 3 turns on the reg. That's about 1/32 above flush. Until I opened that I couldn't get it to idle reliably. It seems rich, but I really don't think it is. I got good top end and it doesn't seem to use a lot of fuel. At my elevation I wanted to lean the regualtor but it didn't seem to work for me. When it seems rich on transition I just open the low speed jet. I run it from 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 open. I have the main at about 1 1/8 open. This is where mine run the most reliable. Good luck on your maiden. Watch out for the dead spot when taking off. Make sure your angle of attack is pretty high.
Enjoy this plane.
Thanks
Barry
09-28-2005 | 07:39 PM
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Diablokid....I second that on a great looking build!! She's a real beauty!!
Barry,
Is that take off dead spot have anything to do with SFG's? Or does that same thing appear sans SFG's??
I hope to mine in the mail tomorrow!!
Thanks Fellas!!!
Larry
Barry,
Is that take off dead spot have anything to do with SFG's? Or does that same thing appear sans SFG's??
I hope to mine in the mail tomorrow!!
Thanks Fellas!!!
Larry
09-28-2005 | 07:51 PM
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RE: Showtime
alot of people like turning screws.... i have purchased 10 , 4 strokes in the past year , 3 of them were YS,, i have touched the low end screw on 1 of the 10,, and out of the YS`s i have touched nothing but 1 regulator only, only to end up turning it back to factory setting afterward.. all i have touched is the high speed needle on all of them . the one that i did touch the low end on was an engine that was in a severe crash.. I think the motor was damaged in the crash.. and the needle turning wont help it.. because it was fine before..
09-28-2005 | 09:01 PM
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RE: Showtime
drumbum...I have purchased 14- 4 stroke engines in the last year. 6 of them have been YS110s. 2 of the 6 ran perfect out of the box. The other 4 have been a major struggle to get to run correctly. I don't like to turn screws...but with a YS you have to sometimes. Larry Magoo...The dead spot I'm experiencing is wihout the SFGs. I'm not sure exactly what causes it (I presume it is the wing blocking the air to the elevator) but it definetely is there. I don't worry too much about it as the plane flys wonderfully, but it is something to be aware of. I worry most about it when falling out of hover or low rolling circles or such. So far, it has scared me a couple of times, but that is all.
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Barry
09-28-2005 | 09:32 PM
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Anyone been able to make a Saito 150 fit? Pics? I really want this plane now
Anyone been able to make a Saito 150 fit? Pics? I really want this plane now
09-28-2005 | 11:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: Barry Cazier
drumbum...I have purchased 14- 4 stroke engines in the last year. 6 of them have been YS110s. 2 of the 6 ran perfect out of the box. The other 4 have been a major struggle to get to run correctly. I don't like to turn screws...but with a YS you have to sometimes.
Larry Magoo...The dead spot I'm experiencing is wihout the SFGs. I'm not sure exactly what causes it (I presume it is the wing blocking the air to the elevator) but it definetely is there. I don't worry too much about it as the plane flys wonderfully, but it is something to be aware of. I worry most about it when falling out of hover or low rolling circles or such. So far, it has scared me a couple of times, but that is all.
Thanks
Barry
drumbum...I have purchased 14- 4 stroke engines in the last year. 6 of them have been YS110s. 2 of the 6 ran perfect out of the box. The other 4 have been a major struggle to get to run correctly. I don't like to turn screws...but with a YS you have to sometimes. Larry Magoo...The dead spot I'm experiencing is wihout the SFGs. I'm not sure exactly what causes it (I presume it is the wing blocking the air to the elevator) but it definetely is there. I don't worry too much about it as the plane flys wonderfully, but it is something to be aware of. I worry most about it when falling out of hover or low rolling circles or such. So far, it has scared me a couple of times, but that is all.
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Barry
6 YS 110s?? That's pretty strange...what are you going to do with so many?
You are the first talking about the dead spot. Are you sure that there's no other problem such as radio glitches etc.? In the videos I've seen I did not notice any loss of control due to this dead spot.
09-28-2005 | 11:23 PM
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RE: Showtime
Yeah, no radio glitches. It's a dead spot on the controls. Others have discussed it as well. It's repeatable. The easiest place to see it is on a gentle take off. Just pull slightly back on the stick as you build up speed. It will lift off and begin flying and then fall right out of the air.The reason I have six YS110s? Because I don't have seven.
Showtime
UCD60
Ultrastick Lite
Seagull Harrier3D
Mayhem
And 1 spare. Waiting for my next plane??????
They are the perfect engine for the planes I like to fly and they work good at my altitude. I love the way they run. But I do have trouble keeping them all running, but because I have tried, twisted, read, asked, worked on, studied and cared, I've been able to get them all running satisfactory. But it has been a long and rocky road.
THanks,
Barry
09-28-2005 | 11:29 PM
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Oh, more comments. The reason you don't see the dead spot in video is it doesn't do it when you do 3D. If you pull back far on the stick it takes right off and no problems. I notice it sometimes if I don't hover correctly and it falls out and I have to pick up the speed. If not carefull it will snap. I notice it on turns (slow turns) going from into the wind to downwind. Sometimes this can be a problem on landing approaches because you're not banging the sticks, you're being gentle. But don't get me wrong. The plane fits my style and I love flying it. It's just an odd sensation once in a while.Also, I've sold all my other engines, OS and Saitos, and only have the YS now. I'll probalbly by a Saito 82 for the next 40 size plane I build (UCD or Mayhem) but right now I don't have any others, so I have to find a way to make them run.
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09-29-2005 | 03:25 AM
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hmm...I think this may be the same thing that I have noticed on mine. I did not recognise it as a dead-spot on the controls, but I have had the ST snap on me a few times but it has been, as you say in very gentle turns or similar flying slow and with moderate elevator-input. And when it starts to snap, just add more elevator and it get right back to control. [X(]
I thought this was kinda strange but have not thought more about it. I'll try to pay more attention to this phenomena next time I get to fly it.
Regards
OAK
I thought this was kinda strange but have not thought more about it. I'll try to pay more attention to this phenomena next time I get to fly it.
Regards
OAK
