Now thats a good idea.

Philly / Luke

Ali is not using any special mixing... the model does not really need it... may be a little rudder coupling for knife edge high alpha if you wanna be fussy....

All Ali has done is add a little wing tip weight to offset the silencer.

As far as what make the difference.....

Well its a sound design for starters... but to be fair there are other sound designs out there.
This model also underwent lots of subtle change through a 5 month test process, based upon feedback from a selection of quality pilots who knew what they were talking about...
Importantly the model has been engineered for simple yet very strong construction at a minimum of weight...the result being little amount of control surface twist which dampens controlability.

The key to making a small plane fly like a big one is as much down to getting the wing loading right as it is the design...

The fact is that there are very very few comparable models out there at this weight... most are Fun Flys which are a different ball game altogether.

The truth is that the Capiche 140ex is even better.... but I have to say that the C50 is definately the best model of its size Ive ever flown too for being capable of just about anything the pilot is.... But then I would not have gone down this road at all if I had not believed it from the test programme would I !?

why is the Capiche 50 now touted as the best type in its class ?

Personally (in my very humble opinion) its a good model, but is it the best in its class ? Maybe its one of the best (to be fair I havent flown all the other competitors so I cant be sure).

When the model was introduced to the modelling public it was in a blaze of very well done publicity. Lots of information on the internet, magazine articles, and appearances at the top modelling shows flown by the best UK show pilots. Never before has a model been marketed so well. Every modeller I know has heard of the Capiche and says its a good model even if they have never even seen one ! The marketing has worked and is still working.

I would say that its a very versatile model that does most stuff well, eg 3D, pattern and thats why I like it so much.

Time will tell if its the best, when people are still flying it next year in preference to other designs....

Ali - I would be really interested to know what mixes, rates, and throws you use please ?

cheers

Chris

Archie

you must have posted a milli second before me

hence my asking Ali waht he uses
Chris

was gonna say, this wing TE construction is new to me, kinda makes it obvisious why i couldn't top hinge.

silly question tho... best way to fix spats? never had them before.
wheel bolt through, line up, then small hole and tiny screw to hold in place?
got them through from Carbon Copy today

At that nasty bit where you think you can start to cover, but not sure if you can.
think i'll have the lighting hole behind the wing on the underside as a hatch so i can get to the throttle servo and rudder/elevator servo leads.

then it's get the gear here and installed. wish i had the motor mount, would give me an excuse not to cover yet

HI archie,

I thought the 140 would be better!(the big uns always fly better dont they?)
Do you have any idea as to when the 140ex is coming out?
I have all my gear ready and waiting.


Luke

good thing i didn't rush into covering.
my horns are from the Pete Tindal set and go right through the control surface... the Capiche aileron isn't solid, tis now where required. the screw needs to be a wee bit longer tho.. plastic jobby too.. i'm gonna need to program in differential.

Hey Guys.
Mixers on my Capich"E" All I am using is a little bit of up ailerons when pull elevator and down aileron when I am pushing.
To give you an idea how much setting up I did on my Capiche. Instead of setting a new model up my radio I simply used the set up from my Flip 3d and reversed what need to be and left it at that. I knew that Flip was good for something. All the movements are on as much as I can get with a single rate switch that dials them down to 50%. I try to use about -40% expo to soften things up. I am still trying to get my head around high expo values and having a real sensitive model.
I do not use any rudder to elevator mix or knife edge mix. I never have. For some reason I just having this thing in my head that if you set a plane up bang on for knife edge these mixes must interfere with the model during other maneuvers.
I often wonder why some models fly so much better than others. After much thought I really think it is a balance of many things. I think weight is a critical issue as is the positioning of the wing and tail. Then there are other matters such as side area and of course wing area.
I think as the 3d thing progresses and each model has a new and improved area weather it be weight or control surface area or side area we all learn what makes a difference.
For example I think I have flown a selection of models and most of them all have differing qualities. I think my ideal model would have to been a combination of about 10 different models taking the wings from one, the tail form another weighing as little as another but not so light as the other.
To be honest the Capiche is probably the closest to this combo that I have found to date.

Ali, did those 591's come in yesterday?
thanks.

Ali

thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas,


Damm, very little mixing or 'tricks' - just talent


Chris

Not a problem.
Phil your servos only arrived this afternoon. what I have done is put them on a special delivery post service at my cost so they will get to you tomorrow morning

So Ali, how many planes have you got? I have to prob your place, if you don't mind!

After all ali's comments, i dont think this would do malcolm's smile justice!

Robert.
I am really good now adays. I try to keep everything within reason.. When the shop first started doing well I was like a kid in a sweet shop( Or worse a kid in a model shop) At one point the count stopped at 100 plus.
Now a days I try to sell one as I buy one so things stay balanced.
I have to do this as models have got bigger and bigger I simply just can not store them. As well as the fact that I hate waste so having all these models that do not or can not fly is criminal.
Luke. I think Malc has the right to smile a lot bigger than that. Lets just hope I can keep him smiling when I fly the 140 Capiche.

WOW! Thanks Ali!
:rainfro: :sunsmiley :thumbup:
Hope the rest of the order was ok, i didn't see any comments at the end, so i clicked back a bit and added the "bits" in the delivery requirements, or what ever it was.

Covering to finsh, then let rip tomorrow with engine mounting and throw the gear at the fuz to see where it lands.

YippiEEEEE

Maybe Malcs smile is as big as mine right now
But i'll find out this weekend

The rest of the order was all good. I got the other samll items added and am just off to the post ofice now to send it.
Good luck with the covering and let us all know how well your Capiche flys this week end
Regards Al

Ali....you dont have to answer this, but how does it compare to the Synergy?

Flew mine last night - felt very different to what I was expecting.

Arch - get those 140's rollin out!!!!

The Synergy 90. Now thats a weird plane.
I was expecting a lot more from this model than what I got.
I know that I am probably going out on a bit of alimb here and am likely to get shot to pieces, but I am not a massive fan. For me it is neither a full blown pattern plane or a full blown 3d plane. I cant put my finger on whats wrong with it but I will keep persevering to see if I can set it up how I would like it.
For me it just isn't aggressive enough for hard 3d flying like my majestic was, but at the same time it doesn't have that locked in feeling that I would expect from this type of model.
I must admit that I have done very little in the way of setting up and am still building up the courage to set it up as the downloaded instruction sheets says. Something about balancing a model near the trailing edge of the wing and running 95% expo just doesn't sound right to me.
I will try to give it a proper day out in the coming weeks but I don't think I will get time (Bloody shows) Last weekend was supposed to have been the time for the synergy but I got a little sidetracked with my Capiche.
Sorry Arnie to go back to the original question. Pound for Pound the Capiche has given me a lot more enjoyment than the synergy. I sort of sucked in by the Internet hype on the synergy and was expecting a lot more than I got. The opposite with my Capiche. I went into this model with not much enthusiasm and have got allot out of it in a very short space of time

Ali, your quote..."That locked in feeling" sums it up for me. I only got 2 flights and felt as though i was flying something very scale that could snap out on elevators if i wasn't careful.

Just gave me that "you might get bitten soon" feeling, not the smooth security I get from my OD!!!

Same as you - I've only flown it twice and I used the CPLR set up which is too much for someone of my skill level (that rudder is savage), but even on very much soft rates I still felt a tad at risk.

Malc....seems you've designed a real peach here.....OK I'm totally converted and ready to eat earlier words.

Arnie,

Is that your synergy 90 for sale on the BMFA web site then?

Andy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luke 3D returns

For all those wanting a Capiche ARTF , it would be the beginning of the end, and it would start to get compared to eastern made rubbish.


Can't see it myself.
A lot of work to do it but maybe worth it in the end.

I am sure Aeroworks/Hangar9/Fiberclassics will be glad not to sell you their Eastern Rubbish

Whens the 140 version coming out.
Rob

Whens the 140 coming out ?

Well the model is already designed and proven

We just need to create a suitable kit and prove the build and performance/strength of the kit version... and all the other stuff that goes with it....

A few need to be built before its released.....to ensure everything works aswell as the Protos and that the kit works properly from a build point of view. I hope we can release it in time for Autumn but we'll see....

As for my Synergy 90, I had the conversation with malc last week and i told him i did not like the plane. Could not put my finger on it but i did not feel comfortable in the F3A style flying although i thought the outright 3D performance was quite good (although fast)

I also had an email conversation with mike williams on the subject. (he likes his one)

it appears to fly OK upright and inverted but feels "tail heavy" when its on its side IE VERY pitch sensitive to rudder making point and slow rolls untidy. the cg feels fine in upright flight (my CG is 243mm from trailing edge which is quite conservative)

I am just looking forward to getting my Capishe 140 (malc should have it finished in a couple of weeks) and if ready in time me and Ali will probably share the use of it for the 3style comp. i have got to say that after flying the synergy the Capishe is streets better.

If you want archie we(me and dad) will be delighted to build and fly one for your testing.

Luke

To be fair to the Synergy it is a smaller plane than the 140!! If you stacked the 50 up against the 110 Synergy you would probably say the same? Size rules, weight comes close second.

I would be interested to know EXACT TRUE weights of the finshed models (Mike, Daveand Ali) as ARTF are notorious for variations in wood. An acurate weight would help all of us understand what is going on

Luke good try for the 140 test