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i meant 5645s in my previous post... servo city is doing a volume discount on them right now.. http://www.servocity.com/html/hs-564...al_torque.html

If you run them on 6v since you are going to buy a battery anyway (if you still are using a 600ma) you will get 168 oz of torque. dont forget a regulator for 6v setup.

the difference in speed compared to the ones you were using at .23 sec at 60 degrees spec. the hitecs are .18 @60

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Iflew mine today -and it is almost exactly to the book -servos.engin Saito 100 and all except I used JR HD plastic servo arms and setup for max throws -
It reminds me of my EMC2 -really - very stable- terrific snap control at any attitude

It will do beautiful fast consecutive waterfalls
We let others fly it too - it lands just like a well set up competitive pattern F3a model
w/o the SFG's it could easily be setup for any F3A flying.
Very impressed.

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5645's are plenty for this applicataion. I only have one on my ST.....but it's got plenty of power for the rudder. If it does fine there...all the other surfaces will be ok. I say go fot it.....it's a good servo at a good price.....you don't need $100 servo's in this plane.



Neo Out!!!

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has anybody tryed a small gaser because i was wondering if a g23 would work in this plane and what weight would it fly at?

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good Lord no on that G23.

I think any gasser would deteriorate performance, since they're at least 1 lb more for the lightest one (Evo/MVSS26, RCS 140). If you're going to fly it like pattern, it's probably ok, but if you're going to 3D it, the heavier wingloading will get you.

If you're dead set on gas, then the Giles 202 is your best bet, H9 Extra 260 not that bad either.

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One more cheap servo option is the JR SPORT 125. it's MG and 125 Oz/in torque at 4.8. Haven't flown it yet, but it seems very precise (centers better than my Hitec 5625 and 5645 on the bench), and fast too (.15/.18 at 4.8V). Best thing, it costs only 35 dollars. However, you have to add a couple of dollars to that because the servo arms are totally flimsy and not long enough for decent 3D

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Guys ... I hate to ask this. I am itching to get the Show Time. Anyone tried it on a YS110? Dick ... how does she fly with the SA100? Does she pull easy? I am only concerned about the uplines.

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Hello again tIANci,
I have this plane with YS 110. It's very very strong and powerful.
Saito 100 doesn't have the power for full 3D.
YS 110 has the power like the Saito 150 but it's weight less then Saito 120.
Earn

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Earn ... Shalom ... thanks for the info ... so how does she perform in a prop hang, how much throttle do you give her to do that? Also how is the upline? Thanks a lot!

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Shalom tIANci (I loved the "shalom" very much)..
It's very easy to hover, about 1/2 throtle in a hover. Unlimited vertical !!
The YS is a monster. The prop is APC 16X4W.
I took the c.g a little bit back from the c.g stock because I had some wing rocking.
Good luck,
Eran.

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Well, back in the air with the Showtime, and I got several flights on it yesterday. The plane flew well with a Saito 100. Plenty of power, hovering is possible at just over (maybe 2/3) 1/2 throttle. Knife edge without the SFG's is very easy but with the SFG's it is no issue. Hovering is about the same. Flat spins and blenders look very nice & easy to do but I gotta tell ya. If you are trying to get into big planes this thing is as different as night & day. I'm not into foamies but if I had to guess I'd say Mike was right. It probably does fly like a big foamy. Frankly, I'm not impressed. I will probably give this one to my 11 year old (after all, he built it). For my money the Funtana 90 is hands down a better plane. I want a plane that makes me work a little bit so I can improve my skills, this one isn't it.

And for the record, a Saito 100 is plenty of power, at least down near sea level. I didn't care for the SFG's they tend to make the plane slow to respond to sharp inputs and they drag on the ground if you turn to sharp.

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By the way, I forget who else in this thread had the flutter issue but I also had that problem. As soon as I noticed it I landed and checked the plane over. My servo arms were 1&1/4" and I ran the pivot on the control horns out to the end of the bolt, no more problem. Even with 120 oz. servos, if you are off to far with the arm/ control horn ratio, you might get flutter due to reduced mechanical ratio. Cured mine anyway.

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cstevec - when you say that the F90 is better as it makes you work harder do you mean that the Showtime is easy to fly? I find that the F90 needs to be worked hard, if you do not anticipate her she will fall out of a prop hang, once you are like 25 degrees out its hard to get her back in.

Eran - I just tried the 16x4W on my Harrier 3D, it was very different from the 16x6 that I am so used to on my F90 and the Harrier. I think the prop was almost super sonic! Can hear a certain sharp whine.

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i just took apart the servos. they are both trashed. I opened them and plastic fell out. If i can get digital metal gear high torque servos for the same price as plastic weak servos i will buy them.

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tIANci, yes, I suppose that is what I mean. Knife edge was literly hands off at 3/4 throttle, for a good ways anyway. Hovering? I'm not that good at hovering but I was able to pop this one into a hover by doing a wall less then 10ft. off the deck and hold it there as long as I wanted. You won't do that with a Funtana. Torque rolls were very controlable, you could start and stop them with ailerons, on low rates. If you get the plane out of shape the rudder and elevator is more then enough to pull it back in line.

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well that sux your plane flys so good. i will trade you my F90 for it. I guarantee it flies like crap like the rest of them

:D

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well that sux your plane flys so good. i will trade you my F90 for it. I guarantee it flies like crap like the rest of them

:D
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Tell ya what Drumbum, I see we are both in Va. Mebbe we can make a deal. I can always use another F-90.;)

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I got the Showtime and I'm really excited.I'm getting a YS-110FZ for it and metal gear servos all around. I just feel a bit reluctant though due to the fluttering incidents read above. If you have followed the manual step by step I wonder why come some of you do not get flutter at all and some others get. The manual shows clearly how the linkages must be set up for proper mechanical advantage. Has anyone used different pushrods,linkages etc?

I don't think it relates to plastic gear servos as mentioned. If the plastic gear is still there I don't think it will flutter, it will be just like the metal one. If it breaks though this is another story...

I'm going to use the plane both for pattern flying and 3D. Hoping not to have any trouble with flutter...:)

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Who reads the manual? ;):D;) You may not need metal geared servo's to prevent flutter, but nylon geared servo's won't survive flutter.

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Ok I am going to give in and set all my throws per the manual because thats what I am hearing from you guys. Set it up exactly as the manual - 45% up on elevator and all my problems will go away.

I take it that is what you guys have it set at and you are 100% satisfied. If some of you have found that 40% or 35% is the magic number I would appreciate the input. I am going with less throw and I will not let the ST 3-D itself any longer I will fly the plane and make it work, I will stay the course untill this is the best plane I have ever flown or by god I will go down with the ship trying.

It has to be me, I am obviously a lesser pilot because I dont follow the instructions to the letter. I must be some kind of rediculous newby with no stick time and am just bothering the rest of you expert 3-D pilots who are making so much money flying and designing planes that you cant possibly take the time to respond to a fool such as I. I have obviously embarrassed some of you and your choice in planes and as such I will no longer take up your preciouse forum reading time with my lowly drivel. I will now hang my no-stick-time head in shame and bother you no more.[&o]

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Dude.....I set mine up for max throws on high rates......and just played with the low rates till it fell right...same thing with the expo. I can tell you this.....I backedoff my high rates on the aileron....it was too much.



Neo Out!!!

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What He said! Seriously though. My setup is all I can get on high rates and for low rates as follows: 40% elevator, 65% rudder, 45% ailerons, with 35% expo on low rates & 50% on high rates. I'll need to fine tune it some more as right now the low rates are high enough that in a hover if you bang the sticks like my son does, you'll throw the plane all over the place. In a rolling circle my tail is wagging all over the place too & thats to much throw. If I was setting it up on my 9Z I would build a condition for rolling circles, & another for harrier/hovering & a third for all out cutting loose. Since this one is going to my son, I put it in the 9C and I can't set conditions in that radio.

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I'm going to inspect mine today for possible wing wash in/out and fuselage missalignment. I can not believe that this plane can flutter or snap if set up correctly. I've seen YNOT's video with the OS-160 and another with the OS-108 with relatively high wing loadings performing parachutes and walls without snapping. Also flying at full throttle was flutter free....I can not understand why some of you do get flutter, I'm pretty sure that it has to do with your set up. Any 3D plane can flutter if not set up correctly, throttle management is another factor. Performig a knife edge spin at full throttle is an extreme condition, I have read "half stabiliser" stories about the similar Synergy 90 3D which is supposed to be a top of the line plane. Those planes are a bit fragile, they need some special treatment and proper setup, if they were not that fragile they would be dead heavy.;)

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Does anyone here suffers from Metal Gear backlash that allow the surfaces move 1-3 MM ?

we use hitec 645 MG , had the same problem with the funtana 90

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Guys, this would be helpful, if you could all chip in on what your throws are either in inches or degrees or in mm

Thanks