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P-Diddy, that is great!

I have a Somenzini Yak 102" too, and, really, this plane dosen't have any bad tendences!! :D

Well, your testimony is convincing me about to use my old setup again.

Now my 160 FX is installed in a Carl Goldberg Pitts Monster 12. Maybe a should purchase a Saito 150, use it in my Pitts and put my 160 in a brand new Showtime.

What you think?

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I think that the Showtime with an O.S. 1.60 would be tremendously overpowered - GO FOR IT!! Like I said, if you have problems balancing it, find a way to install your Rx battery as far back in the tail as possible.

Also, put your rudder servo in the back - forget pull-pull for this plane. Just use a direct link with the servo in the rear, you won't notice the difference between that and a pull-pull set-up when it's in the air. The only real advantage to using pull-pull on the rudder, from what I can tell, is that it allows you to put the rudder servo closer to the CG. On larger planes, it allows you to efficiently gang together two or more servos for the one surface. On this plane, like I said, I see no advantage to it.

How do you like the Pitts M12?? I'd like to get a 50cc version of that!!

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would a Super Tigre 2300 be a good choice for this plane?

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P-Diddy, thank you very much.

I am ready to get a new Showtime to fly my old combo again.

In my last Showtime I used the ruder servo on tail and worked great. I will use this same setup again, like you said.

Well, I saw a lot of movies of giants Pitts Model 12 and they appers do to be really great planes. 3W Shotime video have a lot of it. I am crazy to get a Phiton from somenzini and I can't see big difference between this models. This planes seems to be awesome 3D and scale flyiers.

Mine is not a 3D capable. It just don't have control to hold hovers, rolling circles and others 3D stuffs.

It's a very strong plane too. I crashed mine and it almost not broke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pOV-g7qJE). So, it's heavy to 3D.

But it's a very nice scale plane. In fact, I never flew a scale plane like it.

A 50cc version certainly will be good flyier. If you can, take a look on the 3W Showtime Video. I am sure you will get your 50cc after see it.


Steve, according with users review on RCU, the ST have the same power and a little less weigth than 160 FX. So, I think this will work fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you guys.

Eduardo

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Steve,

If you can get the Super Tigre G2300 running well, then it will be plenty of power for anything in the book on the Showtime. I believe that engine is about a 1.40 ci, so that is well above the normal power for it.

Guys, just remember that if you over-power the airplane and something fails, the manufacturer will not cover any loss. Most of the time they won't cover it anyway, even if the plane was put together poorly, missing glue in critical areas, etc., but going outside the engine range they recommend assures that you will get no assistance.

-Pat

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Hi P-Diddy.

The guarantee given for airplane manufctures is, in my opinion, a funny thing.

First, they, on theory, will only cover if you use the recomended engines. But everybody can say that a Showtime can't hover with the manual's engines.

To do what this planes are designed for, you always have to over-power it and, so, you will never get any cover.

I saw some guys in some threads saying that H9 will not cover their planes (a Showtime or a Funtana X 100, I don't remmeber well), because they used a O.S. 120 AX.

I have an O.S. 120 AX. This engine is not that powerfull. I had mine in a Funtana 100 X and the pull out power was very poor. Now I have this engine in an U-Can-Do 60 size and I don't have a goot amout of power to pull out too. Showtime is a more heavy plane than the FX 100 and UCD 60. I doubt this engine will hover Showtime well and anything less than this will be worst. But if you install this engine in a Showtime, you will lost your guarantee anyway.

The only 3D engine I think you will be covered to a Showtime is a YS 110FZ, because H9 says 61-1.00 2-stroke; .91-1.10 4-stroke engine sizes.

Big gas engines are different. My yak's manual says to use an 100 to 110cc engine. I used a 3W 106 that can hold my plane with a good power source.

It seems the gas engines are more compatilbes with the planes they are designed for...

So, in the end, a glow engine 3D plane don't have any flight guarantee. They will cover some in box problems, but nothing more like that.


This is sad, but is what I can see of this manufactures... [:o]

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Its a shame, pretty plane, sleek design,great hardware, its just that darn snapping thing, I could never get DOD (low) & 3-D with this thing. I've seen videos of people doing it with the Showtime, so some have figured out what it needs or they got a "good" one. As far as OS 1.20AX-- mine hovers a 9.3lb Velox and has enough power to go up, not a rocket ship, but enough. If its hot or high altitude, it then might not be enough.

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I have hovered the Showtime within a couple feet of the ground. The snapping isn't much of an issue when you're pointed straight up. It becomes an issue if you get into trouble and you're not anticipating it. If you are used to the plane's characteristics, you can compensate for it with the ailerons, (don't even try using the rudder to do it, trust me!!).

I never cured my ST of that problem by any means, but I was able to do the best hovering I've ever done with it. Most planes that size seem to have that problem to some degree. Like I said, the only 3D capable plane I've flown that didn't have any tendency to roll-out in tight loops or quick pull-outs is my Aviation/SD 33% Yak 54. It has absolutely no bad habits. I'm always waiting for it to start to snap out when I do the tight loops, and it doesn't even hint at it.

When I hovered the ST, the snapping wasn't an issue. When I was out putting it through the paces and I ended up needing to recover by pulling hard up elevator, that was when I noticed the problem the most, (which is a REALLY bad time to have it roll out!!).

-Pat

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Just started building my showtime last night. Going to be using a Saito 100 for now since I have it from another plane that met an untimely demise. I plan on using Hitec 5625's all around except for the rudder where I'll either use a 5625 or 5645 (any recommendation here?) with a Futaba 3151 (cheap digital left over from the other plane) on the throttle.

So far I've hinged my ailerons and elevators. Since I read alot about CA hinge failure, I went with the great planes pinned hinges. First time using them, and I wound up with between a 1/16 and 3/32 of an inch gap. I'm really not too happy with this, I don't know why I didn't question it as I was building, but now it's glued in. Obviously I plan on sealing this gap, but was wondering if this was going to cause any flight problems? Also for future reference does anyone have any recommendations for installing this type of hinge?

Thanks,
Dave

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Here a Little OS 200u still waiting for his new home (Showtime 90)

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Dave,

The servos you've chosen are really overkill, so you will be in very good shape. I flew mine with Hitec 475HB's all around except on the rudder, which had a 645MG, and I never found them to be at all sluggish or overloaded. Your 5625's will do quite nicely.

I wouldn't worry too much about that gap, it's really pretty tight still. For future reference, what usually keeps the surfaces from being closer together is the hinge fulcrum, (center) which is a little larger than the rest of the hinge. You have to route out a larger hole just deep enough for that part. Even then, if you deflect the hinges like you're supposed to, you'll still have a little bit of a gap to keep the surface able to move smoothly throughout the full range. Just seal it up and you'll be fine.

-Pat

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Thanks Pat,

I put the plane aside for a few days, and took an objective look at the hinges, they aren't quite as bad as I first thought. I'm going to seal them up and go with it.

As for the servos, I wanted both metal gear and digital, so that's how I wound up at the 56x5's. Haven't bought them yet, so we'll see if my budget decides I need a bit less servo for this plane...

Dave

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at troy built models
you can get those servos fo $45

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I have looked all over but cannot find any posts as to how other flyers have dealt with the weak landing gear mount on the Showtime 90. Can anyone post links or pictures of how others have remedied this flaw.

Thanks;
Rod[sm=confused.gif]

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ok, don't worry. If you are at the level to be flying this plane then it will never be a problem. I am 15 i have this plane and i've had not problems with the landing gear mount. The gear itself sucks, it will delaminate eventually but horizon sent me a free one when it happened to me so it was cool. but the plane is pretty strong from what i've seen of mine. It flies great and you'll like it. Don't worry about the strength of it. If you want you could slap some fiberglass over the landing gear block but i wouldn't bother.

My setup is

Ys 110FZ motor
Apc 16 x 6 prop
Morgan Cool power 25%
Hitec 5625's all around except
Hitec 5945 on rudder
6.0v 2700maH battery
Jr 790 synthesized pcm receiver
Jr 6102 radio

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We have two Showtimes flying at our field (grass and dirt) and both have knocked their landing gear off at least two times each and both are very experienced pilots. I think glassing the block would just make a bigger hole when the gear rips out. The landing gear block needs to be strengthened along the fuselage (front to back direction) somehow.

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Stephen, how much power do you have with your YS110? I am trying to decide on a powerplant. I want something that will pull out of hovers with authority, if not like a rocket.

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I like the 110. It has a very good power to weight ratio. weighs slightly more than the saito 100 and has power comparable to the saito 150. It also has the presurizing system so the tank maintains constant pressure of 8-10psi so you can put the tank right on the cg and not have to worry about fuel delivery resulting in much less noticible, if noticible at all cg shift from full to empty tank. I think that the 110 is probably one of the best powerplants for this plane because it is light, and powerful and doesnt vibrate a whole lot. My ys is a little finicky but it's pretty sweet. If your going four-stroke go ys110 and if 2-stroke then an os 1.20 would probably be a good match. It came out after i had my showtime so i didn't have that option but it is less expensive and i beleive less weight but don't quote me on that. 2-strokes are also a breeze to tune....but i love the sound of a 4-stroke. :) it's a great plane but it is a pattern plane first and 3D second, it does not fly as slow as some other planes, but the thin wing makes it handle wind extremely well. 30-35k is no problem.

Steve

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I fixed my landing gear issue by puting another piece of hardwood on the inside across the rails and then drilled my landing gear bolt holes through and used long bolts. It creates a sandwich.

The YS is the way to go on this plane.

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I'm an experienced pilot and I still managed to take the gear out of the plane a few times. It really doesn't take much. I recommend you use some gorilla glue on the inside to help keep the landing gear blocks in place and then drill and re-tap the holes for 1/4-20 nylon bolts. If you hit hard or land off the runway, it will tear the gear out and leave the LG block in the fuse. If you are using the SFG's, they will obviously be damaged, but they would be either way. They are actually pretty easy to repair if you do break them. I repaired mine a few times and they worked just fine. The Monokote Pearl purple is a pretty close match if you can't find the Oracover to re-cover it.

The glue joints around the LG block were pretty weak in mine. Add to that the small wheels and a grass runway, (although ours is like a golf course!) and it has the potential to tear off pretty easily.

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I'm all over it!!! Anything else I'll need????:D:D:D:D:D:D:D LMAO

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Thanks Steve. In fact I was debating between the 1.20AX and YS110. If I go with the YS it will be my first 4-stroke. I've been a 2-stroker up to now. How is the YS with vertical performance? Does it go like a rocket?

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Duct tape... :D

Hey Al, I also don't recommend putting your canopy on pavement like that, it could get scratched... :D:D:D:D

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it' not as insane as my last plane but that was a funtana s40 (before x50 was out) with a saito 82 or 91 in it. that thing was on the verge of being just plain retarded and ended up shaking the plane a lot that it would've broken from that....if i didn't crash it first :p. but i got the 90 (excuse for a 15 year old you dump 1500$ into another plane) and i think the ys110 is a very good motor for it. It is not going to have the same power as people putting an os 200 in it or something but since it's lighter it's probably better for 3D. If 3D to you just means hovering and pulling out like a rocket then maybe not the right motor. it will pull out with authority but not a rocket. more power than that is not needed because all it will do is the same thing a little faster and probably shake the airframe a lot and weaken it. Go with the 110. Check out my video on youtube [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smaw2tYHZ0k[/link]
that is mine with a ys-110. i don;t think it shows it pulling out but it hovers just above half throttle. And it would hover lower but i adjusted my carb setting so thet it is more linear. About 75% of your power comes when the carb is 50% open. I adjusted for this in the radio so that 50% stick is 50% power not 50% open carb.

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Glad to see this thread still going. I went over mine this morning... after two years, almost 100 flights, and never had the cowl off, I figure she was due for some maintenance...:D

I re-plumbed the tank and replaced all fuel lines, tightened a couple of motor mount bolts, hit a few wrinkled places with the iron, and re-built my "custom" tail wheel; the little bearing I added was about to give it up.

And that's it. The airframe is still sound, covering still in great shape. This model is more durable than I initially gave it credit for. Hopefully, I'll get another 100+ flights out of it. A really nice-flying airplane...

Any of the old crew from two years ago still got yours? bubbagates; drumbum, etc....?

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