Another Drone Pilot does it Again
#1851
The Lilly is a true Drone. You are not actually flying the aircraft. If the same tech was added to an Extra 260, I would call it a drone as well.
Drone - an unmanned aircraft or ship that can navigate autonomously, without human control or beyond line of sight.
Drone - an unmanned aircraft or ship that can navigate autonomously, without human control or beyond line of sight.
#1853
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone
So model air planes are drones. It goes back to the military target drones which were radio controlled before most of us were born.
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#1859
It is a drone because it's on a mission other than the sheer joy of flight itself . Following other than direct real time human command .
Now , if you rig up an Extra 260 to accomplish the same mission (Good luck with THAT) then yes of course , the Extra is now a drone .
If you rig up a 10 bladed helicopter and had it RC being flown by a living being stationed a variable distance from the craft while in operation well then I guess that will have to be called an RC model aircraft , now wouldn't it ????
I don't get what's so had to understand about ;
Fly for nothing but the fun of flying itself = model aircraft
Assign ANY mission to it other than the flight itself = Drone
The physical form of the technology matters not in the description , it's the intended use that defines the difference between Drone VS model aircraft , , , , just as well as the full scale defines the different aircraft for their intended purpose .....
#1860
PS , I know the keyboard jockeys are all lining up to attack my definition , but too bad so sad , I stand by MY definition of drone VS model aircraft and don't really give a damn who likes it or not .
Just figured I get that outta the way upfront , to save folks keystrokes from trying to "convince" me of how 'wrong" I am .
Later !
Just figured I get that outta the way upfront , to save folks keystrokes from trying to "convince" me of how 'wrong" I am .
Later !
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It is not an RC model , because it's not being flown by a living being stationed a variable distance from the craft while in operation .
It is a drone because it's on a mission other than the sheer joy of flight itself . Following other than direct real time human command .
Now , if you rig up an Extra 260 to accomplish the same mission (Good luck with THAT) then yes of course , the Extra is now a drone .
If you rig up a 10 bladed helicopter and had it RC being flown by a living being stationed a variable distance from the craft while in operation well then I guess that will have to be called an RC model aircraft , now wouldn't it ????
I don't get what's so had to understand about ;
Fly for nothing but the fun of flying itself = model aircraft
Assign ANY mission to it other than the flight itself = Drone
The physical form of the technology matters not in the description , it's the intended use that defines the difference between Drone VS model aircraft , , , , just as well as the full scale defines the different aircraft for their intended purpose .....
It is a drone because it's on a mission other than the sheer joy of flight itself . Following other than direct real time human command .
Now , if you rig up an Extra 260 to accomplish the same mission (Good luck with THAT) then yes of course , the Extra is now a drone .
If you rig up a 10 bladed helicopter and had it RC being flown by a living being stationed a variable distance from the craft while in operation well then I guess that will have to be called an RC model aircraft , now wouldn't it ????
I don't get what's so had to understand about ;
Fly for nothing but the fun of flying itself = model aircraft
Assign ANY mission to it other than the flight itself = Drone
The physical form of the technology matters not in the description , it's the intended use that defines the difference between Drone VS model aircraft , , , , just as well as the full scale defines the different aircraft for their intended purpose .....
Quad goes into SAFE MODE and returns to home and lands.
Is this Quad a "Toy Model Aircraft" on the way out and a "DRONE" on the way home?
#1864
PS , I know the keyboard jockeys are all lining up to attack my definition , but too bad so sad , I stand by MY definition of drone VS model aircraft and don't really give a damn who likes it or not .
Just figured I get that outta the way upfront , to save folks keystrokes from trying to "convince" me of how 'wrong" I am .
Later !
Just figured I get that outta the way upfront , to save folks keystrokes from trying to "convince" me of how 'wrong" I am .
Later !
Ok Hound , I'll entertain your situation as presented ;
On the way out , you were flying it RC , and yes of course that makes it an RC model aircraft . That's pretty easy ...
Now , when you purposefully switched OFF the TX , you were no longer flying it RC , and by the very act of switching OFF the TX you knowingly "assigned" it a new "mission" other than to fly for fun . You assigned it to fly a pre prescribed course by the simple act of flipping one switch , and in doing so changed the "mission" from fun flying to Drone .
Now , had your TX failed , unplanned and unexpected , THEN the return to base function would be considered a "fail safe" instead of deliberate mission reassignment , and the RC model designation would remain intact .
See ? Didn't I tell you how easy this is ???
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LCS: Now this is Fun, no matter what or where you are from. Guess let the technology take over, if the results are like this I am all for it!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C-7_DBOY3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C-7_DBOY3o
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A while back , when this whole "what's a drone VS what's an RC model aircraft question first appeared on RC forums , but wasn't quite yet in the daily news , I asked a few folks , who were not in the least hobby related , "what would you define the word drone to mean ?" Almost each person's first utterance was "A Worker Bee" . Worker , as in , with a job to do . It is common usage to see a boring repetitive task referred to as "Drone's work" , I'm sure most folks are familiar with the term . So it stands to reason that to the public , a drone is something with a boring repetitive job to do , and no where are any notions of fun , hobby , or entertainment involved in the word drone . The drone's got a job to do . Best git to it . Now , just last night , I had occasion to be with a whole bunch of non RC people , and I had two pictures with me , advertising photos showing someone flying a "traditional" model airplane and one showing a quad copter being flown . Of all respondents asked , 100% identified the parkzone foamy cub as a remote controlled model aircraft and the quad as a drone .
So , at least in "the court of public opinion" , the die has been cast as to what exactly is a model aircraft VS a drone . A model plane is flown for fun and a drone has a job to do . Now , if a quadcopter or any other machine is operated for nothing but the sheer fun of operating it , then it too becomes a model aircraft , and LCS' extra with the heat seeking missiles is most certainly a drone . The public has yet to make that distinction because the only things they see doing a job are quads , they are seen most frequently doing the work of photography . When they see a model airplane being flown in the local park their first nor even 101 first thought are anything about drones , it's "oh , some guy flying a toy plane" .
Now , in closing , if you don't think the public adopts , adapts , and co opts the meanings of words to suit popular modern usage , just try telling someone who is very happy that they're "Gay" , and see where that gets ya ! Yes , as well all know , in the 1930s , gay meant happy . Nothing more . Now of course we use it to mean something completely different , the modern intent of the term being defined by how the greater public chooses to define it .
You say ToMAHto , I say ToMAYto , , , either way they make a damned good pasta sauce
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At this point, to a non-rc person, "drone" = a multi-rotor apparatus...you know, the kind that fly hover by the top of the Space Needle, land on the White House lawn, hover over ball games and wedding parties, take aerial pics and vids...basically the helicopter-like flying contraptions that you see on the 6 o'clock news causing mayhem and chaos
Init has it right: If I fly my PZ T-28 off the golf course fairway in the evening, my neighbors like to watch the rc plane. When the DJI Phantom comes out, they ask me about my "drone." I've yet to have a single person NOT refer to the quad as a 'drone.'
Init has it right: If I fly my PZ T-28 off the golf course fairway in the evening, my neighbors like to watch the rc plane. When the DJI Phantom comes out, they ask me about my "drone." I've yet to have a single person NOT refer to the quad as a 'drone.'
#1869
Words mean one thing and one thing only ; they mean what the speaker of them meant for them to mean at the time they were spoken
I am an engineer who must write specifications and use boilerplate specs. Sometimes the words mean something else to the contractor and if he can prove it means something else he wins. It doesn't matter what you intended to say at all.
And again the definition of a drone is any remotely controlled aircraft either by radio or autonomous. That includes our R/C models. The definition does not make allowances for recreational use.
#1871
Just as my example of the word gay , there are many words , in fact ALL words , come from and are molded by popular usage and intent . It's not as if there is some word regulating body that releases new words and declares the meanings of them non fluid . If the public calls quads drones enough , and "traditional" RC aircraft "toy planes" , whose definition do ya think is gonna stick ? To me , yes the difference should be in whether there is a mission other than fun flying assigned or not . That should be the defining criteria , and not the physical form of the technology employed . But to the public , the folks who determine what words really mean , good luck getting them to call a camera equipped Extra 260 a drone , or a quad an RC model heli , it just ain't happening ....
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#1872
It's a shame that an important discussion on dangerous use of UAVs turned into a silly back and forth on the meaning of a word. Our news media has caused a lot of this problem just as it has with the words "assault weapon".
I'd like to suggest that we direct our conversations to FPV because that limited area of this hobby is really where the problems are. FPV involves taking your eyes off the aircraft and looking at a very limited view of the world through a video screen which presents a huge safety hazard to anone else around. And it matters not if the intended use if for fun or commercial it is still dangerous.
I'd like to suggest that we direct our conversations to FPV because that limited area of this hobby is really where the problems are. FPV involves taking your eyes off the aircraft and looking at a very limited view of the world through a video screen which presents a huge safety hazard to anone else around. And it matters not if the intended use if for fun or commercial it is still dangerous.
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I'd like to suggest that we direct our conversations to FPV because that limited area of this hobby is really where the problems are. FPV involves taking your eyes off the aircraft and looking at a very limited view of the world through a video screen which presents a huge safety hazard to anone else around.
And I'll freely admit that when I first got my DJI Phantom 2 I programmed a waypoint route and let the thing go on this tour of the coast line and fairways...and it got out of my sight. I got waaaaay uncomfortable with that, and I've never done that since. Not a smart thing to do, IMO. Never again.
#1874
First FAA-approved drone deliveries coming July 17
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/06/...oming-july-17/
This is the kind of thing the FAA has been doing in support of commercial use of UAVs..
I should add that the FAA involvement with this is to provide the highest level of safety for the average person, either on the ground or in the air.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/06/...oming-july-17/
This is the kind of thing the FAA has been doing in support of commercial use of UAVs..
I should add that the FAA involvement with this is to provide the highest level of safety for the average person, either on the ground or in the air.
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#1875
I should add that the FAA involvement with this is to provide the highest level of safety for the average person, either on the ground or in the air.