Comment on tbe FAA NPRM
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You need to understand what a "public comment" is. It is NOT a comment on an obscure Internet forum. They are the actual comments made by people in response to the NPRM on Regulations.gov.
I am still composing my response. It runs three pages long now. I am taking the time to make sure I say everything I want to say as clearly as I can. March 2, 2020 is the current deadline and there is no extra credit for how fast you make a comment.
I am still composing my response. It runs three pages long now. I am taking the time to make sure I say everything I want to say as clearly as I can. March 2, 2020 is the current deadline and there is no extra credit for how fast you make a comment.
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Just like my conservative vote doesn’t mean a thing on the LEFT coast.
Regards,
Astro
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Speed , for real , except for the personal insults he tosses around , I agree with a lot of his posts and would not exclude him on the basis of not being an AMA member , for the reason that he is a MAAC member who flys at AMA clubs when he's here in the US . I'm fine with that and figure as a frequent AMA guest under AMA / MAAC agreement sure he has the right to throw his two cents worth in here . Of course , more opinions than barbs from him would be nice , but then I guess free LIPOS & Beer would be nice too , and I figure there's about as much chance of either actually happening
Yep , I'll second Astro here , well stated post .
Gee , if the "like post" function worked down here in RCU's dungeon maybe I'd even go so far as to give it a like ....
Yep , I'll second Astro here , well stated post .
Gee , if the "like post" function worked down here in RCU's dungeon maybe I'd even go so far as to give it a like ....
I wanted to thank you for that response concerning Dennis' nationality. I accept your answer and will not press the matter anymore with you. Yes Dennis can be a bit harsh but IMO no more than Astro, however who gets called on it and who does not?
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Well, since you ask -- I took an extended break from the hobby during 1991 - 2016. So five years ago it wasn't my problem.
I didn't rejoin the AMA until 2019, since I was quite happy being a "left out" flying at a public park. When I checked out the local AMA club field, I discovered that AMA membership did indeed provide "value for money" in my case.
I had read some "buzz" about Remote ID, and thought it might make sense if implemented in a reasonable manner. Didn't pay much attention because there were never any specifics.
Then the day after Christmas, I find my holiday present from the Federal Government. They want to make it impossible for me to build a model with Remote ID installed, and will only let me buy one if it comes ready-to-fly with a transmitter I don't need. But at least they'll let me fly my old ones if my club files for FRIA status.
I called my club president, who knew nothing about any of this. He commissioned me to give a presentation at the January club meeting. All I saw on the member's faces was shock and disbelief. I've encountered the same air of unreality at local hobby shops. Nobody seems to believe the FAA could really be planning something this unjust and stupid.
And then I find someone here who appears to be orchestrating an effort to take from us even the little the FAA would leave us. Should I just roll over and play dead? I think not.
I didn't rejoin the AMA until 2019, since I was quite happy being a "left out" flying at a public park. When I checked out the local AMA club field, I discovered that AMA membership did indeed provide "value for money" in my case.
I had read some "buzz" about Remote ID, and thought it might make sense if implemented in a reasonable manner. Didn't pay much attention because there were never any specifics.
Then the day after Christmas, I find my holiday present from the Federal Government. They want to make it impossible for me to build a model with Remote ID installed, and will only let me buy one if it comes ready-to-fly with a transmitter I don't need. But at least they'll let me fly my old ones if my club files for FRIA status.
I called my club president, who knew nothing about any of this. He commissioned me to give a presentation at the January club meeting. All I saw on the member's faces was shock and disbelief. I've encountered the same air of unreality at local hobby shops. Nobody seems to believe the FAA could really be planning something this unjust and stupid.
And then I find someone here who appears to be orchestrating an effort to take from us even the little the FAA would leave us. Should I just roll over and play dead? I think not.
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Originally Posted by grognard
I called my club president, who knew nothing about any of this. He commissioned me to give a presentation at the January club meeting. All I saw on the member's faces was shock and disbelief. I've encountered the same air of unreality at local hobby shops. Nobody seems to believe the FAA could really be planning something this unjust and stupid.
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It's not that surprising considering the Feds released it during the holiday season. I am less than impressed by the "guidance" received so far from AMA HQ, and suspect they haven't waded through the full proposal yet. Hey, it's "only" 319 pages long and they didn't necessarily have the whole week between Christmas and New Year's Day to read it like I did. But the comment period isn't over yet, and I expect more "guidance" is coming. I hope so.
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Originally Posted by grognard
It's not that surprising considering the Feds released it during the holiday season. I am less than impressed by the "guidance" received so far from AMA HQ, and suspect they haven't waded through the full proposal yet. Hey, it's "only" 319 pages long and they didn't necessarily have the whole week between Christmas and New Year's Day to read it like I did. But the comment period isn't over yet, and I expect more "guidance" is coming. I hope so.
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But I do hope they are slogging through it and will have more guidance for the membership during the second half of the comment period. I'm not waiting for them -- I have drafts of my comments already.
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The folks at Muncie are also human beings, and I understand there are only three on the Government Affairs team. They don't just sit around reading, they also have meetings to attend, phone calls to take, e-mails to answer, and all the other things people do in any office job. And they take vacations, same as the rest of us. If they didn't get back to work until after New Year's, well, I don't blame them.
But I do hope they are slogging through it and will have more guidance for the membership during the second half of the comment period. I'm not waiting for them -- I have drafts of my comments already.
But I do hope they are slogging through it and will have more guidance for the membership during the second half of the comment period. I'm not waiting for them -- I have drafts of my comments already.
1) If a certain percentage of my coworkers take time off, I can't. Why would the whole team be off at the same time when there is so much for the people they are supposed to be working for, be it members or not, to lose?
2) Are you sure they attend meetings? The girl that was on that board had no clue as to the purpose of that board or any information as to what the AMA is even supposed to do. Worse yet, she's a paid member of the legal staff, IIRC
3) Are they answering personal or business calls or emails? Their track record says they are all personal
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Hydro, please keep,in mind that a certain member here has been giving me a pounding for presenting speculation. Something that I would classify your " personal phone calls " comment as. Seems there is an obvious double standard at play should your comment be accepted by that member.
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Hydro, please keep,in mind that a certain member here has been giving me a pounding for presenting speculation. Something that I would classify your " personal phone calls " comment as. Seems there is an obvious double standard at play should your comment be accepted by that member.
I do not mind speculation, I just mind it when it is used as the facts as a basis for conclusions and other personal attacks. LOL
Astro
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Okay Astro, let's give Speed a pass on this one as he's made a valid comment on my previous post.
That said, I would agree with you, Speed, it is speculation, derived from the available information. Not one of us here has all the facts, THAT IS A FACT WE CAN AGREE ON. What we also can agree on is that the players involved, those being the FAA, AMA, EAA, DOD and pilot's associations, are not giving us all of the information we would need to make a fact based decision on whether we agree or disagree with the present situation before us. Just one thing to keep in mind, my previous post was in response to Grognard's post prior. As I see it:
1) If the AMA's legal team all took the holidays off, then they don't deserve the pay they are receiving as they should be giving the membership, not just the EC, up to date information so that the members can act in their own best interest by letting the FAA and Congress know if they back or oppose what the FAA is proposing within the given comment period
2) The members of the legal team need to understand where they are supposed to be arguing from. That girl on the video had no clue and shouldn't have even been on the panel, showing a serious lack of professionalism on the AMA's part, be it the command staff or just the legal staff.
3) I can speculate with some degree of confidence that not all the communications responded to is professionally based. I see it every day at work, be it clerical, admin or manufacturing staff checking personal email, voicemail, twitter, FB, etc. I've even watched people walk into walls, doorframes, aircraft lifting devices, etc, because they are more preoccupied with their own communications than doing their jobs. Why would we not suspect the legal staff is doing the same, at least to some extent?
That said, I would agree with you, Speed, it is speculation, derived from the available information. Not one of us here has all the facts, THAT IS A FACT WE CAN AGREE ON. What we also can agree on is that the players involved, those being the FAA, AMA, EAA, DOD and pilot's associations, are not giving us all of the information we would need to make a fact based decision on whether we agree or disagree with the present situation before us. Just one thing to keep in mind, my previous post was in response to Grognard's post prior. As I see it:
1) If the AMA's legal team all took the holidays off, then they don't deserve the pay they are receiving as they should be giving the membership, not just the EC, up to date information so that the members can act in their own best interest by letting the FAA and Congress know if they back or oppose what the FAA is proposing within the given comment period
2) The members of the legal team need to understand where they are supposed to be arguing from. That girl on the video had no clue and shouldn't have even been on the panel, showing a serious lack of professionalism on the AMA's part, be it the command staff or just the legal staff.
3) I can speculate with some degree of confidence that not all the communications responded to is professionally based. I see it every day at work, be it clerical, admin or manufacturing staff checking personal email, voicemail, twitter, FB, etc. I've even watched people walk into walls, doorframes, aircraft lifting devices, etc, because they are more preoccupied with their own communications than doing their jobs. Why would we not suspect the legal staff is doing the same, at least to some extent?
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Originally Posted by grognard
I haven't seen the video, and I'm not going to waste time watching it. So what if one's not up to it? Does that mean the whole staff should be fired?
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The same way DJI was evidently blindsided? They went out "on risk" and developed the Aeroscope system, hoping for some nice fat contracts once the FAA came out with Remote ID specs. Well, surprise, surprise! Aeroscope won't qualify and they've been left holding the bag.
How could this happen? Well, maybe some senior manager at FAA, or a political appointee, put pressure on the FAA to deliver an NPRM by the end of the year. No arguments; cease research; "bring me a rock, NOW". Well, gee, "if you want it real bad, you get it REAL BAD".
Sorry, that won't help me write comments to the NPRM. If the AMA issues additional guidance before the deadline I will of course read it closely. I'm not bound to conform to it however.
OIOW: I'm more interested in finding a life raft than worrying about whose fault it was that we hit the iceberg...
How could this happen? Well, maybe some senior manager at FAA, or a political appointee, put pressure on the FAA to deliver an NPRM by the end of the year. No arguments; cease research; "bring me a rock, NOW". Well, gee, "if you want it real bad, you get it REAL BAD".
OIOW: I'm more interested in finding a life raft than worrying about whose fault it was that we hit the iceberg...
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The same way DJI was evidently blindsided? They went out "on risk" and developed the Aeroscope system, hoping for some nice fat contracts once the FAA came out with Remote ID specs. Well, surprise, surprise! Aeroscope won't qualify and they've been left holding the bag.
Originally Posted by grognard
Sorry, that won't help me write comments to the NPRM.
What I said it would help with is the context as to why some of the folks here are disgruntled with the AMA, rather than “haters”. But that doesn’t fit your narrative either, so nevermind......
Originally Posted by grognard
OIOW: I'm more interested in finding a life raft than worrying about whose fault it was that we hit the iceberg...
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Okay Astro, let's give Speed a pass on this one as he's made a valid comment on my previous post.
That said, I would agree with you, Speed, it is speculation, derived from the available information. Not one of us here has all the facts, THAT IS A FACT WE CAN AGREE ON. What we also can agree on is that the players involved, those being the FAA, AMA, EAA, DOD and pilot's associations, are not giving us all of the information we would need to make a fact based decision on whether we agree or disagree with the present situation before us. Just one thing to keep in mind, my previous post was in response to Grognard's post prior. As I see it:
1) If the AMA's legal team all took the holidays off, then they don't deserve the pay they are receiving as they should be giving the membership, not just the EC, up to date information so that the members can act in their own best interest by letting the FAA and Congress know if they back or oppose what the FAA is proposing within the given comment period
2) The members of the legal team need to understand where they are supposed to be arguing from. That girl on the video had no clue and shouldn't have even been on the panel, showing a serious lack of professionalism on the AMA's part, be it the command staff or just the legal staff.
3) I can speculate with some degree of confidence that not all the communications responded to is professionally based. I see it every day at work, be it clerical, admin or manufacturing staff checking personal email, voicemail, twitter, FB, etc. I've even watched people walk into walls, doorframes, aircraft lifting devices, etc, because they are more preoccupied with their own communications than doing their jobs. Why would we not suspect the legal staff is doing the same, at least to some extent?
That said, I would agree with you, Speed, it is speculation, derived from the available information. Not one of us here has all the facts, THAT IS A FACT WE CAN AGREE ON. What we also can agree on is that the players involved, those being the FAA, AMA, EAA, DOD and pilot's associations, are not giving us all of the information we would need to make a fact based decision on whether we agree or disagree with the present situation before us. Just one thing to keep in mind, my previous post was in response to Grognard's post prior. As I see it:
1) If the AMA's legal team all took the holidays off, then they don't deserve the pay they are receiving as they should be giving the membership, not just the EC, up to date information so that the members can act in their own best interest by letting the FAA and Congress know if they back or oppose what the FAA is proposing within the given comment period
2) The members of the legal team need to understand where they are supposed to be arguing from. That girl on the video had no clue and shouldn't have even been on the panel, showing a serious lack of professionalism on the AMA's part, be it the command staff or just the legal staff.
3) I can speculate with some degree of confidence that not all the communications responded to is professionally based. I see it every day at work, be it clerical, admin or manufacturing staff checking personal email, voicemail, twitter, FB, etc. I've even watched people walk into walls, doorframes, aircraft lifting devices, etc, because they are more preoccupied with their own communications than doing their jobs. Why would we not suspect the legal staff is doing the same, at least to some extent?
Thanks Hydro. I do actually agree with most of your post here. It would of course be ridiculous of me to beleive that there aren't occasions where employees anywhere don't make the occasional personal call, text or check email. We actually take training classes on how people have become addicted to social media and how that affects the workplace and how to elffectivly manage the situation.
That being said, I have to think that everyone at AMA HQ has to realize that they are not only fighting for their members but they are fighting for their jobs as well. Having more organizations join the battle such as Flite Test, PMA, EAA etc. can only help. At this point I wish they would band together and demonstrate a united front but that is nothing more then a pipe dream.