The EAA Get's It, why not the AMA?
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What you miss is that any any case, there's piles of briefs filed. And the judges read them all. Those briefs include friend of the court briefs that seek to educate and inform the decision. And because I understand this process, what I do trust far more than your 43 years of experience - is the judgement of a court.
And the most interesting aspects of the disaster that was the Fairview Flyers reaching the courts? (1) AMA felt so strongly about keeping the field they did nothing to help them. And (2), because it did hit the courts all the Judge's comments are in the opinion are available to other attorneys when they shepardize their own cases. In other words, is available to others to cite as they fight undisciplined operations at FRIAs.
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#55
There is something else to think about, Speed. Your experience is with aircraft you have built or owned at specific locations. If you've never been to the location that was involved in Franklin's court case or, for that matter, flown with the people that fly there, your 43 years of experience means nothing since you're not speaking from experience about the people or place that was involved.
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If you've never been to the location that was involved in Franklin's court case or, for that matter, flown with the people that fly there, your 43 years of experience means nothing since you're not speaking from experience about the people or place that was involved.
#57
Unfortunately, there's enough video footage on the internet that shows people not following "the code" or just plane being unsafe and stupid to justify the judge's position and rulings.
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Hydro, you are correct that I have no experience with the Pa. club that Franklin keeps bringing up. Then again other then what he was able to find on the internet, neither does he. However I have never disputed his claims of what transpired at that club. I fully agree that if you look for bad players in just about anything you will find them. Recall the video I found of that guy running a boat into himself?
I do however maintain that having experience with 30+ club sites over a 43 year time span does give me more insight as to what " typically " happens at club sites at any given day. I would say a much more accurate perspective then a disgruntled person with a bias against the AMA ( and anyone who happens to fly models past a certain size) who spends most of his free time looking for issues that don't exist.
I do however maintain that having experience with 30+ club sites over a 43 year time span does give me more insight as to what " typically " happens at club sites at any given day. I would say a much more accurate perspective then a disgruntled person with a bias against the AMA ( and anyone who happens to fly models past a certain size) who spends most of his free time looking for issues that don't exist.
#59
But considering that bad news sells newspapers you are unlikely to see the many thousands of times each weekend that people safely fly their models in full compliance of the AMA rules.
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How many crashes behind the safety line are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with spectators are "acceptable?"
How many overflights of roads (and vehicle driving on them) are "acceptable?"
How many non-permissive overflights of property (in sense of FAR 107.19c) are "acceptable?"
How many crashes into crowds are "acceptable?"
How many injured non-participants are "acceptable?"
How many deaths are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many impacts with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with spectators are "acceptable?"
How many overflights of roads (and vehicle driving on them) are "acceptable?"
How many non-permissive overflights of property (in sense of FAR 107.19c) are "acceptable?"
How many crashes into crowds are "acceptable?"
How many injured non-participants are "acceptable?"
How many deaths are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many impacts with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
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#63
I'm very curious... as "Team Futaba Product Support," per year:
How many crashes behind the safety line are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with spectators are "acceptable?"
How many overflights of roads (and vehicle driving on them) are "acceptable?"
How many non-permissive overflights of property (in sense of FAR 107.19c) are "acceptable?"
How many crashes into crowds are "acceptable?"
How many injured non-participants are "acceptable?"
How many deaths are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many impacts with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with spectators are "acceptable?"
How many overflights of roads (and vehicle driving on them) are "acceptable?"
How many non-permissive overflights of property (in sense of FAR 107.19c) are "acceptable?"
How many crashes into crowds are "acceptable?"
How many injured non-participants are "acceptable?"
How many deaths are "acceptable?"
How many near misses with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
How many impacts with manned aircraft are "acceptable?"
#64
So, again as Futaba-RC Team Futaba Product Support, what are your acceptable levels in response to the questions above?
#65
Hydro, you are correct that I have no experience with the Pa. club that Franklin keeps bringing up. Then again other then what he was able to find on the internet, neither does he. However I have never disputed his claims of what transpired at that club. I fully agree that if you look for bad players in just about anything you will find them. Recall the video I found of that guy running a boat into himself?
I do however maintain that having experience with 30+ club sites over a 43 year time span does give me more insight as to what " typically " happens at club sites at any given day. I would say a much more accurate perspective then a disgruntled person with a bias against the AMA ( and anyone who happens to fly models past a certain size) who spends most of his free time looking for issues that don't exist.
I do however maintain that having experience with 30+ club sites over a 43 year time span does give me more insight as to what " typically " happens at club sites at any given day. I would say a much more accurate perspective then a disgruntled person with a bias against the AMA ( and anyone who happens to fly models past a certain size) who spends most of his free time looking for issues that don't exist.
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#68
Where I'm going is that you're willing to opine about safe operations and ignore the unsafe ones.
The simple fact is that you rarely hear about good news. On the evening news we hear about the few tragic accidents that happen every day on the roads, but we never hear a story about the literally millions of people who drove in any given day without being involved in an accident. Trying to read anything more into such a statement is silly.
#69
So, your assumption is that by pointing out that there are a majority of safe operations which never get mentioned that I am ignoring any unsafe operations?
The simple fact is that you rarely hear about good news. On the evening news we hear about the few tragic accidents that happen every day on the roads, but we never hear a story about the literally millions of people who drove in any given day without being involved in an accident. Trying to read anything more into such a statement is silly.
The simple fact is that you rarely hear about good news. On the evening news we hear about the few tragic accidents that happen every day on the roads, but we never hear a story about the literally millions of people who drove in any given day without being involved in an accident. Trying to read anything more into such a statement is silly.
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I would suggest that for Futaba policy information that you go directly to Futaba. Bill's function with Futaba is to help with technical and setup aspects.
https://futabausa.com/?gclid=CjwKCAi...hoCcyoQAvD_BwE
https://futabausa.com/?gclid=CjwKCAi...hoCcyoQAvD_BwE
#71
I would suggest that for Futaba policy information that you go directly to Futaba. Bill's function with Futaba is to help with technical and setup aspects.
https://futabausa.com/?gclid=CjwKCAi...hoCcyoQAvD_BwE
https://futabausa.com/?gclid=CjwKCAi...hoCcyoQAvD_BwE
#72
Interesting. You are not listed as one of the last 10 to view my profile, which only has my signature in it, so you are jumping to a lot of conclusions. But I have clearly stated I do not speak for Futaba on anything other than assisting people with their Futaba products. Not sure what else you want.
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#75
Because ... wait for it ... wait for it ... I'm not paid to advocate. But if it makes you feel better to continue to beat that drum, go right ahead.