12DDD

As I said, you have already made up your mind and facts are not going to change it.

The bulk of the EC, and Dave Brown specifically, do not see this a "silliness". What was done was an absolute affront to the system we have used for years. Mr. Cain and Dr. Frank all but issued a challenge to the NC to take action they are not authorized to use. It was a strike at the very fabric of the AMA election process. Because some time has passed, I had forgotten the outrage they expressed. Thank you for reminding me. I guess the confirmation of the correctness of my personal moral code, by others on this forum, coupled with those memories, is what I was looking for in this thread.

To each reader and to the District 8 voters in particular, I ask this: If you were one of the other members of the NC, and you lived within the intent of the rules, and had their high moral code, what would you have done in the face of such an affront? I urge you all to consider that in casting your ballots.

JR

Ok JR

1. Please do all of us a favor and please explain exactly what would be the intent of the rules as it relates to the nominating process and how the committee should be formed.

2. Also please explain how a possible candidate outside the appointed NC could be nominated and elected to insure that a particular agenda by the current EC could be opposed fairly.

Please answer these directly without you usual direction to some other source or ambiguities. I really would like to know the answers to these questions and suspect many others would also.

12DDD

As I said, you have already made up your mind and facts are not going to change it.

JR

12DDD

When you chacterized this as "silliness" you lost all credibility with me. End of discussion.

JR

WOW so this is the end of the discussion huh?

I figured you would wimp out when asked about YOUR interpretations.

Let me be perfectly clear, when I say "End of Discussion", it is the end of my discussion with you. It does not end the discussion of the topic or thread.

Well... I guess that is not exactly true either. The proof is in the pudding...LOL

ROTFLMAO

Good to see somebody so thoroughly capable of amusing himself.

Nah...nope... nada... NO cookie Abel. It is JR for sure that amuses me. Since JR is such as standup guy he ought to be a standup at the Improv or maybe the funny farm.

ROTFLMAOPIMP

Five of a kind I win LOL

JR- I must congratulate you on losing credibility with 12ddd. Mike Krizan

SO what is wrong with Sandy Frank?

Geistware



I will give you my take on Sandy’s popularity.

It seems that many feel that Sandy’s people skills are lacking. He is known as not
being very tactful when interacting with many within the AMA… but to be fair many that do know him personally hold him in high regard.

As far as me… the biggest problem I have with him from my perspective is how he handled the threat to chartered club 4129. Do a search on that club here on RCU to learn more.

Now for the reasons here on RCU:

By far the biggest polarizing agents have been JR and Jim B. here on RCU. One of the things they contend is that somehow he has tried to railroad the nominating process for this year election… Although I really don’t see how that can be. From all I can gather and from first hand info I obtained from the first party perspectives…not just hearsay… I contend that it is quite possible that some other intent is not only just possible but very probable

LOOKS like JR is winding up for the pitch

Deja Vu

OK, I haven't read more than the first two of several pages, I am in agreement with the actions of Sandy Frank. If someone is overflying a neighbor's property, it is the responsibility of the club's officers to rectify the situation. If the president and other officers do not respond, then the AMA is in its rights to suspend the charter and insurance. While this may be a nuisance to the club members, it is the rights of every property owner to ensure that his/her property is protected from trespass. Now the comment that was made about commercial airlines trespassing, FAA allows aircraft to fly at 400ft agl or higher. Anything lower, can be considered trespass. We have had several complaints at our field that we didn't give proper right of way to low flying aircraft. While I doubt we were flying over the 400ft limit, I do understand that repeated complaints to the AMA without our officers responding, should warrant stern response not only from the AMA EC but from the club members who elected these officers to perform a function of maintaining the club in its best possible condition. When the officers violate this trust and cannot perform this function the members have the right to remove the officers from office. If the AMA requires information to put a matter to rest, and the club does not respond, their charter should be suspended and the club members should demand immediate action from its officers.

(FLAME SUIT ON)

keep reading dude, the modelers/club were not the ones overflying a neighbors property.
the full scalers were.

Geistware, obviously, you have not studied the problem there.

A neighbor wanted Hammer to sign away his rights to develop His -- Hammer's -- own personal private property, so the neighbor could run a Private aircraft runway right up to Hammer's property. That sign-away was to last even after Hammer sold the property or passed the property to heirs, effectively making the property near worthless.

Hammer said NO as any rational property owner should.

AMA was on the neighbor's side because their concern is only for some possible insurance conflict. They did NOT give a da-n about an AMA member and RC facility, just their in-house administrative things.

Hammer was 101% RIGHT and SF and AMA were 101% totally WRONG.[>:]

You need to study the facts if you place yourself on the jury. More grounds-to-prove.

What he said