Important information????
10-24-2005 | 05:07 PM
#77
RE: Important information????
Landscaping? All we want is to maintain a smooth low cut grass 100 X 400 runway, 50 X300 pit area, 100 X 100 helicopter training and hover pad, and a parking area that cars don't get bogged down in mud or start grass fires with their catalyctic converters. We have also built a shelter barn for the mower, club trainer, and other equipment, and an open carport type shelter for the members. Some wood picnic type tables were donated by a local park department when they replaced them with recycled material type, and volunteers (a vanishing breed) built the frequency control board and safety barricades for material cost only. The flagpole was put in by either the VFW or American Legion for a small donation, somehow a new flag shows up every year to replace the old one at no cost to the club, and sombodys' wives planted some flowers and put in a small rock circle at it's base. And someone donated several plane restraints which he also installed on some old (free) cable spools used for setting up planes.
If you can't get flying rights on a well maintained freebie field, there WILL be costs to maintain any alternative, unless you just don't care.
If I'm still treasurer in about 4 years, I will dread approaching the membership (currently 139) and asking for a dues increase. Especially since next year I become eligible for the senior discount. I got the one for the increase from $50 to $75, and got voted out the next election. Three years later, I got asked by more than a few members to run again. Only negative vote I got was my own.
If you can't get flying rights on a well maintained freebie field, there WILL be costs to maintain any alternative, unless you just don't care.
If I'm still treasurer in about 4 years, I will dread approaching the membership (currently 139) and asking for a dues increase. Especially since next year I become eligible for the senior discount. I got the one for the increase from $50 to $75, and got voted out the next election. Three years later, I got asked by more than a few members to run again. Only negative vote I got was my own.
10-24-2005 | 05:12 PM
#78
My Feedback: (1)
RE: Important information????
It's not that I don't care, it looks nice but I don't have the time. I hate to be a part of something I can't give 100%. I don't like the guilt trips the guys give you when your not planting shrubs building new buildings or maintaining them. Not to mention the added dues. I have very little spare time. Let's see, plant more trees at the flying field or, fly? Hmm,
Gary
Gary
10-24-2005 | 05:50 PM
#79
Member
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: bakersfield, CA
RE: Important information????
Getting back on subject, I tend to agree that rtf models under a specific dollar amount that an uninformed person with a couple hundred bucks in their pocket could by and potentially down my expensive model, or worse injure someone should be restricted from the 72mhz frequency.
If you buy an arf install radio and power system, you probably are aware or someone is helping you who is aware of the channel concern.
enough with the wise cracks guys. This is a dangerous hobby!
If any of your kids were hit with a hundred mile per hour model due to RFI, You would be running to the nearest lawyer. And who would suffer? Our hobby as a whole.
Yes, most RFI problems are within our clubs.
No, I haven't seen many.
But, with the introduction of many new electric models that are growing in numbers by the day, the problem will get worse if it is not addressed.
Education is the key. Whether it is by the LHS or by all of us, everyone must step up and at least recognize the possibilities
just my .02
If you buy an arf install radio and power system, you probably are aware or someone is helping you who is aware of the channel concern.
enough with the wise cracks guys. This is a dangerous hobby!
If any of your kids were hit with a hundred mile per hour model due to RFI, You would be running to the nearest lawyer. And who would suffer? Our hobby as a whole.
Yes, most RFI problems are within our clubs.
No, I haven't seen many.
But, with the introduction of many new electric models that are growing in numbers by the day, the problem will get worse if it is not addressed.
Education is the key. Whether it is by the LHS or by all of us, everyone must step up and at least recognize the possibilities
just my .02
10-24-2005 | 08:15 PM
#80
Senior Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,644
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: St Augustine, FL,
RE: Important information????
ORIGINAL: pcm1024
Getting back on subject, I tend to agree that rtf models under a specific dollar amount that an uninformed person with a couple hundred bucks in their pocket could by and potentially down my expensive model, or worse injure someone should be restricted from the 72mhz frequency.
If you buy an arf install radio and power system, you probably are aware or someone is helping you who is aware of the channel concern.
Getting back on subject, I tend to agree that rtf models under a specific dollar amount that an uninformed person with a couple hundred bucks in their pocket could by and potentially down my expensive model, or worse injure someone should be restricted from the 72mhz frequency.
If you buy an arf install radio and power system, you probably are aware or someone is helping you who is aware of the channel concern.
I understand your sentiment, but while neither agreeing nor disagreeing, it sounds like a "somebody ought to make law" thing. There is a law, and it says every US resident (don't even have to be a citizen) has equal rights to use of the group of frequencies allocated to R/C of model aircraft. No qualifications, no test, no license - every resident has that right automatically. There are rules governing the use of the frequencies, but no requirement to inform/instruct a purchaser of a radio regarding those rules; it is assumed that everybody knows them. Maybe somebody can cite an instance of the vendor of an R/C system providing a copy of the Part 15 rules with it, but I've never seen it, save a sticker stating that it is for control of model aircaft only.
Q: (1) Would you change that, and if so what changes would you make? (2) This is the hard one: how would you propose to go about making those changes?
enough with the wise cracks guys. This is a dangerous hobby!
If any of your kids were hit with a hundred mile per hour model due to RFI, You would be running to the nearest lawyer. And who would suffer? Our hobby as a whole.
Yes, most RFI problems are within our clubs.
No, I haven't seen many.
But, with the introduction of many new electric models that are growing in numbers by the day, the problem will get worse if it is not addressed.
Education is the key. Whether it is by the LHS or by all of us, everyone must step up and at least recognize the possibilities
just my .02
If any of your kids were hit with a hundred mile per hour model due to RFI, You would be running to the nearest lawyer. And who would suffer? Our hobby as a whole.
Yes, most RFI problems are within our clubs.
No, I haven't seen many.
But, with the introduction of many new electric models that are growing in numbers by the day, the problem will get worse if it is not addressed.
Education is the key. Whether it is by the LHS or by all of us, everyone must step up and at least recognize the possibilities
just my .02
Your last sentence may help mitigate the problem. Some LHS people are concerned enough - note that such a person started this thread. AMA has urged model distributors to take part in passing info to new modelers. It's a start, much more needed.
One thing we all need to realize is that to conform with AMA rules for separation from others using the same frequency requires some measure of control (in which we have no legal right to preferential status) over an area of about 30 square miles. If it isn't reasonably practical to surveil that area continuously and assure there are no other users that might interfere, then it isn't reasonable to rely on the club pinboard alone for frequency control. Reasonable or not, how many of us do? AMA needs to do some education within, as well as for the newbies beyond the club fence.
Abel
10-24-2005 | 10:20 PM
#81
Member
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: bakersfield, CA
RE: Important information????
abel
To answer Q1- Although I dont believe I would change any laws at this point for fear of opening pandora's box, I wouldn't be surprised(or disappointed) to see changes in the future requiring proof of some kind of minor education of basic FCC rules and regulations.
My point is, safety is the concern here. And although not illegal, I would question how responsible it is for a major manufacturer to produce in large volume a product that will no doubt make its way into the hands of someone that will without malice inadverantly cause at the very least for someone to lose a plane or worse.
If there was a law requiring this fcc card, then it would be the retailer who would police it by asking to see it prior to purchasing 72mhz transmitters. I know this doen't cover all the bases, but the LHS is where joe public will be purchacing these rtf models. I don't have the solution to the problem, but recognizing it is a start.
maybe AMA should spend some money on a program related this or supply pamphlets to hobby shops instead of sending me tons of junk mail.
To answer Q1- Although I dont believe I would change any laws at this point for fear of opening pandora's box, I wouldn't be surprised(or disappointed) to see changes in the future requiring proof of some kind of minor education of basic FCC rules and regulations.
My point is, safety is the concern here. And although not illegal, I would question how responsible it is for a major manufacturer to produce in large volume a product that will no doubt make its way into the hands of someone that will without malice inadverantly cause at the very least for someone to lose a plane or worse.
If there was a law requiring this fcc card, then it would be the retailer who would police it by asking to see it prior to purchasing 72mhz transmitters. I know this doen't cover all the bases, but the LHS is where joe public will be purchacing these rtf models. I don't have the solution to the problem, but recognizing it is a start.
maybe AMA should spend some money on a program related this or supply pamphlets to hobby shops instead of sending me tons of junk mail.
10-25-2005 | 04:30 AM
#82
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 710
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Berlin Center,
OH
RE: Important information????
WHICH frequencey did you guys start on??? Anyone can buy high end stuff off ebay dirt cheap. Many of the general public see these planes as toys, and you all know it. We're the ones who have to face the facts and use prevention to avoid it.
10-25-2005 | 04:34 AM
#83
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 710
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Berlin Center,
OH
RE: Important information????
This reminds me a little of the 50 caliber issue looming in this country. Politicians and some of the liberals are up in arms over civillians owning these firearms. They forget though, that it was the government who originally sold surplus ammo to the public in the first place though. These guns wouldn't even be considered by us joe blows, because there wouldn't have been any shell casings to reload!
10-25-2005 | 06:04 AM
#84
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Edmond,
OK
RE: Important information????
Our planes are toys, no matter how expensive. When you fly, you will get shot down, crash, etc. It is the price we pay to play. If you do not want to pay the price, don't play.
10-25-2005 | 10:42 PM
#88
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Boise,
ID
RE: Important information????
50+AirYears thanks for what you said in your letter and I know exactly what you are talking about about 1 bad apple spoiling the bunch let me give you a little background on me so you do not think that I am just blowing smoke I grew up in this hobby as my grandfather owned a hobbyshop locally till he started having health problemtos and was forced to sell the shop I have flown gas airplanes since I was 8 years old and am now 36 I paid the dues at the local club here for years to be able to fly and then just got tired of all the politics and fighting among the members and quit I live in the country here in boise ID and all I wanted to do was to be able to fly so I went about 2 miles from my house and asked the owner of a SOD farm here if I could fly there and he said no problem anyway it was great till last year he let about 10 guys and I fly there with no problems as long as we left no mess and had respect for the area then one guy new to the area went out there one weekend when no one was there and was buzzing the cows and horses in the surrounding fields and we lost all we had worked for to have a public flying field I got frustrated and sold everything that I had all of my gas stuff and 2 years ago I started flying again now electrics only and I am working very hard to make this a sucess this time because there are a lot of guys like me that just want to fly with no stress and just have fun so far the scholls we have set up to fly at are free and the gym time is free in the winter but I know there is going to come a time where it probably won't be but we will cross that bridge when we get to it. I am in the field of construction right now but things are changing because I buy everything for my hobby from the guy who purchased my grandfathers shop and the other day he told me he is ready to retire so I am in the process of getting a business loan to buy the shop back so hopefully in about 6 months I will be a hobby shop owner my life dream all I want to do is keep this hobby alive in this area for the people who for some reason or another can not afford the outragous dues they charge in this area to enjoy flying thanks for your time and taking the time to read this reply
Sincerely
Rick
Sincerely
Rick
10-26-2005 | 08:38 AM
#89
RE: Important information????
Good luck to you in keeping that shop open for another generation. And if you run into some of the customers I've seen that made things tough on the shop, remember the old adage, "Corborundum non iligittemi est", which is supposed to translate to "Don't let the B-----ds wear you down.
10-26-2005 | 11:24 AM
#90
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 710
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Berlin Center,
OH
RE: Important information????
That's it, I quit flying!!! I went to the Horizon webpage and I noticed that the radio comes with MY channel. Every kid and their brother will probably get one of these for christmas.
LOL, FCOL - Get a grip and go buy a Hobbico frequency checker with an antenna.
LOL, FCOL - Get a grip and go buy a Hobbico frequency checker with an antenna.
10-26-2005 | 11:27 AM
#91
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 710
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Berlin Center,
OH
RE: Important information????
I think if you're going to whine about this problem, and not do anything to prevent an interference issue, the best thing you can do is leave your models on the shelf. I'm sticking with ch54, I don't care how many park fliers have a 72mhz radio system.
10-29-2005 | 05:58 PM
#92
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Reno, NV
RE: Important information????
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
SLG
10-29-2005 | 07:02 PM
#93
Senior Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,644
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: St Augustine, FL,
RE: Important information????
ORIGINAL: slg1
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
Cupla things, SLG-
Re investing your time and money - apparently you think you are doing them a favor, somehow under the impression that you are giving more than they did. You aren't. You presume they are benefiting from enlisting new people in some some way, and so need to cater to you. Most are not. When people in clubs provide instruction, they don't do it for the pay and perks. Fact is, they're on their own time, and that part of it spent helping people like you is subtracted from the time they have to fly their own models, and I can assure you that the latter is preferred. Clubs don't help newbies, individual members do. When they encounter attitudes like you have expressed, they don't.
Abel
10-30-2005 | 11:22 AM
#94
RE: Important information????
".............. When people in clubs provide instruction, they don't do it for the pay and perks. Fact is, they're on their own time, and that part of it spent helping people like you is subtracted from the time they have to fly their own models, and I can assure you that the latter is preferred. Clubs don't help newbies, individual members do. When they encounter attitudes like you have expressed, they don't. "
Abel
Abel
There are simply some people in the world that have neither or either the ability to learn to be a safe RC pilot and/or the much more prevalent attitude to accept instruction to obtain that goal. Unfortunately they also do not have the insight to blame other than someone else for those deficiencies.
The proverbial: "We bought the airplane ready to go YESTERDAY, charged the batteries TWO WEEKS ago, [:-] and want to learn to fly TODAY" frequently defines the ATTITUDE.
10-30-2005 | 02:54 PM
#95
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,444
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Corona, CA,
RE: Important information????
ORIGINAL: slg1
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
The newbie brings his completed pride and joy to the field. He's really proud of the craftsmanship that he has displayed during the building process. Invariably, the THING is virtually unflyable. The control linkages are wrong and binding. The engine is not installed correctly and even if it is, it needs to be broken in. The rudder is crooked, the control surfaces are hanging by a thread and the gaps are way too big, or way too tight, epoxy is everywhere. The landing gear has tow-out and is pointed in a tight circle. Of course the ailerons are reversed.
The club member closest to the newbie takes one look and runs. He looks the two guys that might help a newbie, who, by happenstance are there on this day. They draw straws and the loser is pushed toward the newbie. The loser can see three hours just to make the plane flyable. Another hour to get the engine to run. The newbie does not have any of the parts or tools to make the repairs, so... the new found best-friend instructor is up and down the pits rounding up the needed items.. and the newbie waits. The new found best-friend instructor then has to chase down a buddy box for the brand of radio the newbie has, then find a trainer cord that will work (there is a rule somewhere that the newbie will never have the same brand radio as his new best-friend instructor owns).
By now the batteries are down. The new best-friend instructor tries to find someone with a field charger with the same leads that the THING has, and the newbie waits... and waits. Finally, the plane is ready. The new best-friend instructor takes IT off. After determining that IT has a warp in the wing, and putting in huge amounts of trim, he continues with the trim flight. He debates with himself as to whether the plane is flyable for a newbie. Finally the instructor lands IT.
The new best-friend instructor now decides its time to fly his own plane. The newbie sits and watches, and... waits, and.. waits... and.. waits.
Now it's time to adjust the linkages and the newbie waits. Finally, another flight is attempted. The newbie is on the sticks about 50% of the 10 minute flight.
Now the sun is setting. The newbie is told to come back next week. His new best-friend instructor is making plans to be somewhere else... anywhere else.
You now have two very frustrated people. The newbie thinks no one wants to help because he only got 5 minutes of stick time all day. The new best-friend instructor is talking to himself about taking up golf.
10-30-2005 | 05:24 PM
#96
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (3)
RE: Important information????
ORIGINAL: J_R
Did you reallly think you purchased this as part of a club membership?
The newbie brings his completed pride and joy to the field. He's really proud of the craftsmanship that he has displayed during the building process. Invariably, the THING is virtually unflyable. The control linkages are wrong and binding. The engine is not installed correctly and even if it is, it needs to be broken in. The rudder is crooked, the control surfaces are hanging by a thread and the gaps are way too big, or way too tight, epoxy is everywhere. The landing gear has tow-out and is pointed in a tight circle. Of course the ailerons are reversed.
The club member closest to the newbie takes one look and runs. He looks the two guys that might help a newbie, who, by happenstance are there on this day. They draw straws and the loser is pushed toward the newbie. The loser can see three hours just to make the plane flyable. Another hour to get the engine to run. The newbie does not have any of the parts or tools to make the repairs, so... the new found best-friend instructor is up and down the pits rounding up the needed items.. and the newbie waits. The new found best-friend instructor then has to chase down a buddy box for the brand of radio the newbie has, then find a trainer cord that will work (there is a rule somewhere that the newbie will never have the same brand radio as his new best-friend instructor owns).
By now the batteries are down. The new best-friend instructor tries to find someone with a field charger with the same leads that the THING has, and the newbie waits... and waits. Finally, the plane is ready. The new best-friend instructor takes IT off. After determining that IT has a warp in the wing, and putting in huge amounts of trim, he continues with the trim flight. He debates with himself as to whether the plane is flyable for a newbie. Finally the instructor lands IT.
The new best-friend instructor now decides its time to fly his own plane. The newbie sits and watches, and... waits, and.. waits... and.. waits.
Now it's time to adjust the linkages and the newbie waits. Finally, another flight is attempted. The newbie is on the sticks about 50% of the 10 minute flight.
Now the sun is setting. The newbie is told to come back next week. His new best-friend instructor is making plans to be somewhere else... anywhere else.
You now have two very frustrated people. The newbie thinks no one wants to help because he only got 5 minutes of stick time all day. The new best-friend instructor is talking to himself about taking up golf.
ORIGINAL: slg1
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
Most of this issue comes down to the local clubs. The local club here is a disaster. Very little help, or orginazed help anyway. To get and keep members, clubs need to cater to new people. Teach them about the ins and outs of flying and Frequency uses etc. They do pressure you to join, but give you absolutely nothing in return for investing your time and money in them. As long as clubs treat newer flyers like intruders, the more they will have to deal with people going "independent." If those who lead these clubs do not realize this point, they need to wake up.
SLG
The newbie brings his completed pride and joy to the field. He's really proud of the craftsmanship that he has displayed during the building process. Invariably, the THING is virtually unflyable. The control linkages are wrong and binding. The engine is not installed correctly and even if it is, it needs to be broken in. The rudder is crooked, the control surfaces are hanging by a thread and the gaps are way too big, or way too tight, epoxy is everywhere. The landing gear has tow-out and is pointed in a tight circle. Of course the ailerons are reversed.
The club member closest to the newbie takes one look and runs. He looks the two guys that might help a newbie, who, by happenstance are there on this day. They draw straws and the loser is pushed toward the newbie. The loser can see three hours just to make the plane flyable. Another hour to get the engine to run. The newbie does not have any of the parts or tools to make the repairs, so... the new found best-friend instructor is up and down the pits rounding up the needed items.. and the newbie waits. The new found best-friend instructor then has to chase down a buddy box for the brand of radio the newbie has, then find a trainer cord that will work (there is a rule somewhere that the newbie will never have the same brand radio as his new best-friend instructor owns).
By now the batteries are down. The new best-friend instructor tries to find someone with a field charger with the same leads that the THING has, and the newbie waits... and waits. Finally, the plane is ready. The new best-friend instructor takes IT off. After determining that IT has a warp in the wing, and putting in huge amounts of trim, he continues with the trim flight. He debates with himself as to whether the plane is flyable for a newbie. Finally the instructor lands IT.
The new best-friend instructor now decides its time to fly his own plane. The newbie sits and watches, and... waits, and.. waits... and.. waits.
Now it's time to adjust the linkages and the newbie waits. Finally, another flight is attempted. The newbie is on the sticks about 50% of the 10 minute flight.
Now the sun is setting. The newbie is told to come back next week. His new best-friend instructor is making plans to be somewhere else... anywhere else.
You now have two very frustrated people. The newbie thinks no one wants to help because he only got 5 minutes of stick time all day. The new best-friend instructor is talking to himself about taking up golf.
I think what many on these forums miss and fail to inform is that we (AMA clubs) do teach, but the student has to be willing to learn. There are tricks to encourage folks to desire learning, but it does take a little extra commitment that some people are simply unwilling to give. If that is what is in your neck of the woods, then the learning job is all yours to do. It is not a function of denying you a 'return on your investement' but a simple fact of life. It is kind of like you get back what you are willing to give. If you make the moves to learn, there are teachers there willing to share, but many want to see evidence of your efforts first. Sorry, but that IS the way it is in all hobbies I know of. Well, except making money. There is a hobby that the participants are very close mouthed about...
10-30-2005 | 05:26 PM
#97
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Reno, NV
RE: Important information????
So, if I follow your logic, you "experienced" flyers at these clubs just came that way. In other words you just knew everything you needed to know, flew perfect the first day, your plane was in perfect shape, the first day. I hate to say it, but your attitude is why people will get park flyers on "your" same frequency. They see attitude when they attempt to join this hobby. I say join, not take over. Seems some of you have the idea that new poeple have no business being there. Who cares if his plane has "epoxy" everywhere. Who cars if all the control surfaces are messed up, that's what he is there for, TO LEARN. You sarcastically saying the "instructors" are drawing straws is exactly why people will attempt to fly unsafe planes. They FEEL they are intruding on your time, don't think new poeple are that stupid or unable to pick up on your holier than thou attidude. As far as 'my" local club. They advertise their instructors, but when you get to the field, they have no time or little time to help. The point I was trying to make, was that if the club wants or needs new members, they had better realize that setting up schedules or even sending an inex*****ve welcome packet to a new club member outlining who instructs, at what times and MAYBE even set up a schedule, so that not all their time is taken up instructing. The way it works now, you have to stand around and INTRUDE on their time. I for one do not want to do that. I am not there to intrude or take over. I am just there to learn and enjoy the hobby, just like You. The attitude that "We dont need you" will kill this hobby.
10-30-2005 | 06:01 PM
#98
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,444
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Corona, CA,
RE: Important information????
ORIGINAL: slg1
So, if I follow your logic, you "experienced" flyers at these clubs just came that way. In other words you just knew everything you needed to know, flew perfect the first day, your plane was in perfect shape, the first day. I hate to say it, but your attitude is why people will get park flyers on "your" same frequency. They see attitude when they attempt to join this hobby. I say join, not take over. Seems some of you have the idea that new poeple have no business being there. Who cares if his plane has "epoxy" everywhere. Who cars if all the control surfaces are messed up, that's what he is there for, TO LEARN. You sarcastically saying the "instructors" are drawing straws is exactly why people will attempt to fly unsafe planes. They FEEL they are intruding on your time, don't think new poeple are that stupid or unable to pick up on your holier than thou attidude. As far as 'my" local club. They advertise their instructors, but when you get to the field, they have no time or little time to help. The point I was trying to make, was that if the club wants or needs new members, they had better realize that setting up schedules or even sending an inex*****ve welcome packet to a new club member outlining who instructs, at what times and MAYBE even set up a schedule, so that not all their time is taken up instructing. The way it works now, you have to stand around and INTRUDE on their time. I for one do not want to do that. I am not there to intrude or take over. I am just there to learn and enjoy the hobby, just like You. The attitude that "We dont need you" will kill this hobby.
So, if I follow your logic, you "experienced" flyers at these clubs just came that way. In other words you just knew everything you needed to know, flew perfect the first day, your plane was in perfect shape, the first day. I hate to say it, but your attitude is why people will get park flyers on "your" same frequency. They see attitude when they attempt to join this hobby. I say join, not take over. Seems some of you have the idea that new poeple have no business being there. Who cares if his plane has "epoxy" everywhere. Who cars if all the control surfaces are messed up, that's what he is there for, TO LEARN. You sarcastically saying the "instructors" are drawing straws is exactly why people will attempt to fly unsafe planes. They FEEL they are intruding on your time, don't think new poeple are that stupid or unable to pick up on your holier than thou attidude. As far as 'my" local club. They advertise their instructors, but when you get to the field, they have no time or little time to help. The point I was trying to make, was that if the club wants or needs new members, they had better realize that setting up schedules or even sending an inex*****ve welcome packet to a new club member outlining who instructs, at what times and MAYBE even set up a schedule, so that not all their time is taken up instructing. The way it works now, you have to stand around and INTRUDE on their time. I for one do not want to do that. I am not there to intrude or take over. I am just there to learn and enjoy the hobby, just like You. The attitude that "We dont need you" will kill this hobby.
It is your attitude that you are "owed" something that brought you the responses you got. Did you go out and offer to cut the lawn for the club before you expected to be trained, or in some other way give of yourself? Just what did you do? We put out our own effort, without expecting anthing in return. Can you say the same?
Clubs generally charge just enough to maintain the fields they have. Very few are looking to make money. Your attitude is what turns the likes of the four of us off and leaves those that feel as you do standing alone wondering what happened.
10-30-2005 | 06:27 PM
#99
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Reno, NV
RE: Important information????
Where in my post did I say I was owed something? I have said many times, I DO NOT want to intrude on anyones flying time. You post things verifying the feeling that new flyers have when going to clubs. As in drawing straws, a badly built plane etcetera. Again, you must have been perfect the first time out. As far as helping the club, I am willing and able to help in many areas. However, I DID pay for something when I paid my dues. Seems you think a new person not only has to pay dues but must pay some sort of homage to the "experienced" people. What do you expect, that I come to the field with brooms and shovels and cleaning equipment, prior to getting some help? This isnt the Karate Kid. Teh club is expecting dues from people who join, my question is, how is the club helping them feel welcomed and in turn getting help with the field and any other areas they may need assistance in. Your's is the idea that they pay and we'll help them when we feel like it. That will not fly and anyone with a bit of common sense will know that. The local club here has pushed so many people away, that many go to a dry lake bed to fly and the atmosphere is wonderful. Everyone is helpful. I am not the only one who has this opinion here, as the amount of people who come the the lake bed have the same story. Pompous, rude and cranky club people who just want everyone else to go away. As I have read through many other forums here, this is a growing sentiment everywhere. Club people need to realize this. Especially in western stated where there is plenty of land to go and fly without feeling you are intruding on the 'established' folks. Open your arms to the new people, they will respond.
10-30-2005 | 07:07 PM
#100
Member
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: , FL
RE: Important information????
Why not just develop a TX/RX system that uses a digital encrypted signal that relies on set algorithms to prevent interference. Kind of like your remote keyless entry for your car works. When you hit the button to pop the trunk, only your trunk opens, despite the thousands of other cars with keyless entry in the area. You could also have it set up so that a person could just buy one TX and then be able to buy as many RX's as they want by linking the RX's up to a computer so that the proper compatible algorithm could be loaded to the RX for decryption.
