AMA charges too much
12-07-2009 | 11:08 PM
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AMA does not cost me a dime simply because I refuse to pay for NOTHING! Myself and my flying partners are considered RENEGADES by AMA'ers and by AMA standards. Who gives a rip!!! We fly, we crash and we have a hell of a lot more fun than people at the AMA fields(all I hear from clubsters is whining and club politics). I was a member for a year back in the 90's and went clubs locally and to Muncie for what??? Basically I went to Tri-Valley R/C in South Bend, IN to listen to the old guys ***** about us young guys(kinda like NASCAR these days) and then down to Muncie,IN which is a nice place but was treated like a second class citizen. ''I don't need that crap nor do I need AMA''. I know where the AMA sites are and I simply stay away! I will continue to fly at places I elect to fly at for free and laugh my you know what off when reading stories like this. Grow a pair, take a stand and go fly. If you want to throw your $$ away to AMA that is your choice. If you want to pay club dues and argue about what you can and cannot do at the field go for it! I choose the more inexpensive route which is being a RENAGADE and is more fun and allows me the time to read all these horror stories. And don't let this fact scare you, I give instruction and help many people that are new in the hobby get started all without the AMA. I rarely hear a good story come from a newbie that has ever had the pleasure of going to an AMA sanctioned field to learn how to fly. AMA suck's, get used to it or simply elect to be a RENEGADE! ~FLYIN'J~ [sm=bananahead.gif]
AMA does not cost me a dime simply because I refuse to pay for NOTHING! Myself and my flying partners are considered RENEGADES by AMA'ers and by AMA standards. Who gives a rip!!! We fly, we crash and we have a hell of a lot more fun than people at the AMA fields(all I hear from clubsters is whining and club politics). I was a member for a year back in the 90's and went clubs locally and to Muncie for what??? Basically I went to Tri-Valley R/C in South Bend, IN to listen to the old guys ***** about us young guys(kinda like NASCAR these days) and then down to Muncie,IN which is a nice place but was treated like a second class citizen. ''I don't need that crap nor do I need AMA''. I know where the AMA sites are and I simply stay away! I will continue to fly at places I elect to fly at for free and laugh my you know what off when reading stories like this. Grow a pair, take a stand and go fly. If you want to throw your $$ away to AMA that is your choice. If you want to pay club dues and argue about what you can and cannot do at the field go for it! I choose the more inexpensive route which is being a RENAGADE and is more fun and allows me the time to read all these horror stories. And don't let this fact scare you, I give instruction and help many people that are new in the hobby get started all without the AMA. I rarely hear a good story come from a newbie that has ever had the pleasure of going to an AMA sanctioned field to learn how to fly. AMA suck's, get used to it or simply elect to be a RENEGADE! ~FLYIN'J~ [sm=bananahead.gif]
12-07-2009 | 11:20 PM
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This guff that AMA dues are prohibitively expensive is just sheer stupidity. My AMA dues are roughly the equivalent of a roll of covering, a can of fuel, and a spare prop or two at the hobby shop. Anyone who flies at a field without membership that AMA had anything to do with building is a freeloader.
For "renegades" who have a place to fly and don't need AMA's help, that's fine and dandy for you. I hope you enjoy yourself, but don't expect to come to an AMA compliant field and get treated like welcome guests.
AMA is dirt cheap for the good it does the hobby. It's tough to get immature guys to think of that, due to the instant gratification and selfishness traits mentioned above. Others have supported the AMA which makes the hobby far easier and safer for you than it would have been. How about doing your part now to support it for those who will come after you?
For "renegades" who have a place to fly and don't need AMA's help, that's fine and dandy for you. I hope you enjoy yourself, but don't expect to come to an AMA compliant field and get treated like welcome guests.
AMA is dirt cheap for the good it does the hobby. It's tough to get immature guys to think of that, due to the instant gratification and selfishness traits mentioned above. Others have supported the AMA which makes the hobby far easier and safer for you than it would have been. How about doing your part now to support it for those who will come after you?
12-07-2009 | 11:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: combatpigg
How can you possibly argue with all the people who silently choose not to join because of the cost? Just because you and I think it is affordable has no bearing on anyone else. People are voting with their wallets, as we speak.
How can you possibly argue with all the people who silently choose not to join because of the cost? Just because you and I think it is affordable has no bearing on anyone else. People are voting with their wallets, as we speak.
When something is offered at a given price, it is can be a steal, priced fairly, or too much depending entirely on the buyer's assessment of its value. The cost of AMA membership is accordingly a terrific deal if one is a member of a club, engages in competition, enjoys the magazine, has less other liability insurance (HO, PUP) than he should and his interests tend to the high risk (extreme speed and weight, e.g.) end of the R/C categories, and AMA actually represents his views before regulatory agencies instead of just some vague socialistic concept of us.
Those among us that are sport modelers, indie flyers, have made provisions for adequate insurance based on individual assessment of prudent coverages, and don't feel that the views of a dozen old guys in another part of the country about what is good for us is really good for them as individuals, may or may not like the magazine but wouldn't it buy bundled with a lot stuff they don't have any use for. Some basically pay AMA what they view as a tax on the price of admission to a site where they can fly, and to them the cost AMA is what the OP says it is.
We modelers run the gamut between those extremes, and I suppose some push the envelope further than the limit cases I described. Still, we are all correct no matter how diverse our views on the matter of value.
12-07-2009 | 11:34 PM
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RE: AMA charges too much
ORIGINAL: jester_s1
This guff that AMA dues are prohibitively expensive is just sheer stupidity. My AMA dues are roughly the equivalent of a roll of covering, a can of fuel, and a spare prop or two at the hobby shop. Anyone who flies at a field without membership that AMA had anything to do with building is a freeloader.
For ''renegades'' who have a place to fly and don't need AMA's help, that's fine and dandy for you. I hope you enjoy yourself, but don't expect to come to an AMA compliant field and get treated like welcome guests. AMA is dirt cheap for the good it does the hobby. It's tough to get immature guys to think of that, due to the instant gratification and selfishness traits mentioned above. Others have supported the AMA which makes the hobby far easier and safer for you than it would have been. How about doing your part now to support it for those who will come after you?
This guff that AMA dues are prohibitively expensive is just sheer stupidity. My AMA dues are roughly the equivalent of a roll of covering, a can of fuel, and a spare prop or two at the hobby shop. Anyone who flies at a field without membership that AMA had anything to do with building is a freeloader.
For ''renegades'' who have a place to fly and don't need AMA's help, that's fine and dandy for you. I hope you enjoy yourself, but don't expect to come to an AMA compliant field and get treated like welcome guests. AMA is dirt cheap for the good it does the hobby. It's tough to get immature guys to think of that, due to the instant gratification and selfishness traits mentioned above. Others have supported the AMA which makes the hobby far easier and safer for you than it would have been. How about doing your part now to support it for those who will come after you?
Same thing goes the other way round too.
12-08-2009 | 12:01 AM
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RE: AMA charges too much
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AMA does not cost me a dime simply because I refuse to pay for NOTHING! Myself and my flying partners are considered RENEGADES by AMA'ers and by AMA standards. Who gives a rip!!! We fly, we crash and we have a hell of a lot more fun than people at the AMA fields(all I hear from clubsters is whining and club politics). I was a member for a year back in the 90's and went clubs locally and to Muncie for what???
AMA does not cost me a dime simply because I refuse to pay for NOTHING! Myself and my flying partners are considered RENEGADES by AMA'ers and by AMA standards. Who gives a rip!!! We fly, we crash and we have a hell of a lot more fun than people at the AMA fields(all I hear from clubsters is whining and club politics). I was a member for a year back in the 90's and went clubs locally and to Muncie for what???
12-08-2009 | 12:29 AM
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Well Bob, unlike your club RCU does not require AMA. Low prices, BOB. And lastly I am free to offer my opinion, Bob! RCU members, Park Flier's, RENEGADES and AMA'ers are allowed to post here BOB, any other question's??? BOB??? Bob when I decide I don't want to belong to something that I do not care for or stand behind, I simply choose what I want to do! I don't let others dictate my every move. I have current AMA members that drive up to two hours for my flight instruction because they do not feel welcome at their local AMA club that is only 10 minutes from home and want to learn how to fly. And then I spend up to 5 hours per session enjoying my hobby with them at NO COST, try to get that kind of help at a AMA sanctioned club BOB! Do they make that kind of attempt or spend that much time on a newbie at your club BOB? I highly doubt it! 23 years in the HOBBY Bob, I remember how I was treated. Renegade for life BOB... Why didn't you post my entire quote Bob???
12-08-2009 | 02:38 AM
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In reply to (on your six) statement that he would like to hear from anyone who had ama paid a claim I can said that I have had ama pay for 2 incidences with no problem (1) was when my truck was broken into and my trans. was stolen and (2) I was at our flying field and a friend of mine had a large airplane with a gas engine crash thur the hood and windshield of my wifes mini van on my brithday and after his home owners insurance paid the first $500 and ama paid the rest. So I may not like the amount that I have to pay it is still cheaper an renters insurance.
12-08-2009 | 08:31 AM
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RE: AMA charges too much
Simple enough.
AMA open membership cost $58 per year with all the listed benefits.
Option 1.- Great value/price. I'll take it.
Option 2. -Too much $ for me and of little value. No thanks.
I keep hearing that if AMA were cheaper without the excellent magazine they would sign up. Well, that option exists now. You can sign up with the USAMA, get primary coverage, and be happy as a clam. Or just wing it on your own with or without insurance.
Another thing I have noticed is that the most vehement detractors of the AMA use "AMA" and "Club" interchangably. Not all AMA members are club members and not all clubs are AMA chartered. In fact ahalf of the clubs within a 30 mile radius of me are not chartered clubs and only half require AMAto fly.
Why the need forAMA hate rants from people over something assimple as a price/value descision?
Carry on.
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12-08-2009 | 08:44 AM
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Three pages complaining about $60 bucks. Are you serious? LOL
Three pages complaining about $60 bucks. Are you serious? LOL
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12-08-2009 | 10:03 AM
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YADA, YADA, YADA,YADA, They will probably delete this post too! all I hear is a lot of yada yada about a lot of yada yada
YADA, YADA, YADA,YADA, They will probably delete this post too! all I hear is a lot of yada yada about a lot of yada yada
You've been watching to much Seinfeld.....[8D]
12-08-2009 | 10:09 AM
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RE: AMA charges too much
How low does the member roster have to go
before we wonder why folks aint buying it at $58 (or next few years TBA price increase via JC article)
When your business volume drops, and drops, and drops some more
do you increase volume by raising prices?
... or do you consider that folks aint buying at $x so you berter reduce price to 90% X... and maybe lower if folks still aint buying what you're selling. Lemonade Stand 101
Everyone that said that folks should just get out of AMA if they think it is too expensive
need to see that the DROP in membership is telling them just that.... folks aint buying what AMA is selling at the price AMA set.
Good for you, you are gettng what you want- folks aint signing up with AMA.
(and apparently they aint singing up with PPP either, so the 'PF in parks' card dont really apply to this)
before we wonder why folks aint buying it at $58 (or next few years TBA price increase via JC article)
When your business volume drops, and drops, and drops some more
do you increase volume by raising prices?
... or do you consider that folks aint buying at $x so you berter reduce price to 90% X... and maybe lower if folks still aint buying what you're selling. Lemonade Stand 101
Everyone that said that folks should just get out of AMA if they think it is too expensive
need to see that the DROP in membership is telling them just that.... folks aint buying what AMA is selling at the price AMA set.
Good for you, you are gettng what you want- folks aint signing up with AMA.
(and apparently they aint singing up with PPP either, so the 'PF in parks' card dont really apply to this)
12-08-2009 | 10:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bigshark
Gerry, Your HO deductible doesn't apply to liability coverage. As an insurance agent, $58 is pretty inexpensive for anything these days. It's less than most people at my field pay for a single servo or a couple gallons of heli-fuel. I know some balk at the price and do not see the value but I'm not among them. I for one will morn the passing to internet only of the AMA magazine. The insurance will likely never pay for me but you can never have enough liability coverage these days......
Gerry, Your HO deductible doesn't apply to liability coverage. As an insurance agent, $58 is pretty inexpensive for anything these days. It's less than most people at my field pay for a single servo or a couple gallons of heli-fuel. I know some balk at the price and do not see the value but I'm not among them. I for one will morn the passing to internet only of the AMA magazine. The insurance will likely never pay for me but you can never have enough liability coverage these days......
Eventually the magazine will go on line because of cost. Many of my professional organizations have done that. A shame because I work 10 hours in front of a monitor in my home office (for almost 20 yeasrs now), and I do look forward to sit in a couch to read a magazine...
Gerry
12-08-2009 | 11:18 AM
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sorry been away for a couple days, but back the the NRA thing. I don't have to be a member to go shoot at range, pay a small fee, and shoot all day. Think that might work for flying planes? Join a club fly free, or pay a small fee to fly at an AMA field? Might work for some, but i'm sure you'll still get those that wish not to pay. But would be good for places with little to no flying sites.<div>
</div><div>I'm not saying the AMA is bad, but i completely understand why people don't want to pay for something that won't do anything for them. could be like sending money to your senator every year.</div>
</div><div>I'm not saying the AMA is bad, but i completely understand why people don't want to pay for something that won't do anything for them. could be like sending money to your senator every year.</div>
12-08-2009 | 12:24 PM
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Well, we are cursed in today's litigious age with everyone wanting to sue everyone else for anything they can get. Especially the folks or companies with deep pockets.
So virtually all the flying fields need insurance to protect those who control or own the field from damages that might occur if a accident was to happen.
it only takes one accident to ruin it for everyone at a flying field.
So sorry, AMA provides a service with insurance to help protect those involved. If it wasn't for the insurance we basically would have lost 98% of the flying fields we have now. That would have very likely have been the end of model airplane flying for most purposes here in the USA, probably many other countries with equivalent groups like the AMA too. AMA did get the insurance service and plan many years ago just to prevent the loss of flying fields and actually get us even more places to fly.
For those who refuse to want to take advantage of it for whatever reason, more power to you. You are lucky in having places to fly larger planes than Park Flyers without needing insurance. But if you ever had a accident and wound up being sued for huge sums of money you may come to regret that decision.
Most of us are not that lucky.
So virtually all the flying fields need insurance to protect those who control or own the field from damages that might occur if a accident was to happen.
it only takes one accident to ruin it for everyone at a flying field.
So sorry, AMA provides a service with insurance to help protect those involved. If it wasn't for the insurance we basically would have lost 98% of the flying fields we have now. That would have very likely have been the end of model airplane flying for most purposes here in the USA, probably many other countries with equivalent groups like the AMA too. AMA did get the insurance service and plan many years ago just to prevent the loss of flying fields and actually get us even more places to fly.
For those who refuse to want to take advantage of it for whatever reason, more power to you. You are lucky in having places to fly larger planes than Park Flyers without needing insurance. But if you ever had a accident and wound up being sued for huge sums of money you may come to regret that decision.
Most of us are not that lucky.
12-08-2009 | 01:10 PM
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First of all, I am sorry to hear of your friend's accident... if he collected the maximum, then I would assume his losses were substantially more. Did anyone make him whole?
I would look on the AMA site... but my electronic membership is messed up and each time I call it is not fixed (3 times). Yes, I have homeowner insurance. I only hope that I have enough to cover any possibility as a result of my flying. That is my problem in a nutshell... I don't like the current liability situation, it looks like it could be a future problem for me. It is not about the money, it is about what I am buying... am I getting a fair value for what I am buying. I have no way to evaluate that. If I had to pay more for primary RC insurance, I would like the opportunity.
I would look on the AMA site... but my electronic membership is messed up and each time I call it is not fixed (3 times). Yes, I have homeowner insurance. I only hope that I have enough to cover any possibility as a result of my flying. That is my problem in a nutshell... I don't like the current liability situation, it looks like it could be a future problem for me. It is not about the money, it is about what I am buying... am I getting a fair value for what I am buying. I have no way to evaluate that. If I had to pay more for primary RC insurance, I would like the opportunity.
ORIGINAL: bradpaul
The information is on the AMA website if you want to do your own work and look.
And yes my friend collected the max $25,000.00 on the medical after a RC heli injury.
By the way AMA is only secondary if you DO NOT HAVE homeowners or renters insurance. Since a few here are complaining about the $48.00 in these economic hard times, I hope you can pay your homeowners insurance bill.
ORIGINAL: on_your_six
Yes you are right.... secondary insurance. Now imagine for a second that your homeowners insurance picked up the cost of your automobile accident. I can only imagine how my homeowner's insurance will balk when I hit them with the bill for ''Fred'' cutting off his finger helping me start my ''toy'' airplane. I won't have homeowner's insurance for one nanosecond longer. I have only heard of one guy specifically including RC in his policy as an add-on. Does anyone else do it? or are you waiting to see what happens? I have posed this question several times; does anyone know of anyone collecting on AMA insurance? I have never received any response.
Yes you are right.... secondary insurance. Now imagine for a second that your homeowners insurance picked up the cost of your automobile accident. I can only imagine how my homeowner's insurance will balk when I hit them with the bill for ''Fred'' cutting off his finger helping me start my ''toy'' airplane. I won't have homeowner's insurance for one nanosecond longer. I have only heard of one guy specifically including RC in his policy as an add-on. Does anyone else do it? or are you waiting to see what happens? I have posed this question several times; does anyone know of anyone collecting on AMA insurance? I have never received any response.
And yes my friend collected the max $25,000.00 on the medical after a RC heli injury.
By the way AMA is only secondary if you DO NOT HAVE homeowners or renters insurance. Since a few here are complaining about the $48.00 in these economic hard times, I hope you can pay your homeowners insurance bill.
12-08-2009 | 01:32 PM
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You've been watching to much Seinfeld.....[8D]
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YADA, YADA, YADA,YADA, They will probably delete this post too! all I hear is a lot of yada yada about a lot of yada yada
YADA, YADA, YADA,YADA, They will probably delete this post too! all I hear is a lot of yada yada about a lot of yada yada
You've been watching to much Seinfeld.....[8D]
12-08-2009 | 02:36 PM
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The people that believe it cost to much are a drop in the pound, if they have decided not to particapate fine!, that is up to them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! and that is all I have to say about that.
The people that believe it cost to much are a drop in the pound, if they have decided not to particapate fine!, that is up to them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! and that is all I have to say about that.
12-08-2009 | 03:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: rolsen12
If you think that the AMA insurance is worth anything, you are wrong.
Put the money on a good homeowners policy or a mgood renters insurance policy with a ridetr for R/C.
tHERE ARE MORE WAY'S FOR THE ama to get OUT OF PAYING ANY THING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
The insurance is not worth the paper that it is writen on.
If you think that the AMA insurance is worth anything, you are wrong.
Put the money on a good homeowners policy or a mgood renters insurance policy with a ridetr for R/C.
tHERE ARE MORE WAY'S FOR THE ama to get OUT OF PAYING ANY THING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
The insurance is not worth the paper that it is writen on.
12-08-2009 | 04:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bugalooob
AMA just charges too much and thats why their membership is falling, I'll pay up to 50 bucks a year which is fair and they can keep their magazine.. I just need the insurance to fly at my field like most of us..I'm still debating whether to renew my membership for 2010 because of the cost, I may just fly my electrics at the park where all the parkflyer people go
AMA just charges too much and thats why their membership is falling, I'll pay up to 50 bucks a year which is fair and they can keep their magazine.. I just need the insurance to fly at my field like most of us..I'm still debating whether to renew my membership for 2010 because of the cost, I may just fly my electrics at the park where all the parkflyer people go
12-08-2009 | 05:21 PM
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The accident was his fault so he was not looking for any body to make him whole for his error. But he did appreciate the $25,000.00 from the AMA medical policy.
I won't go into details for his privacy, but you would be astonished what it costs for correcting major damage to your hand and fingers. One point to consider is the AMA Medical is a cost reimbursement for medical expenses and not "medical insurance". If you don't have your own medical insurance with negoiated rates for medical procedures you pay the "cash" rate for the services. That is much higher.
Brad
I won't go into details for his privacy, but you would be astonished what it costs for correcting major damage to your hand and fingers. One point to consider is the AMA Medical is a cost reimbursement for medical expenses and not "medical insurance". If you don't have your own medical insurance with negoiated rates for medical procedures you pay the "cash" rate for the services. That is much higher.
Brad
12-08-2009 | 10:06 PM
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won't go into details for his privacy, but you would be astonished what it costs for correcting major damage to your hand and fingers. One point to consider is the AMA Medical is a cost reimbursement for medical expenses and not "medical insurance". If you don't have your own medical insurance with negoiated rates for medical procedures you pay the "cash" rate for the services. That is much higher.
</span></font></div><div><font size="3" face="Verdana, Arial"><span style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">You can always negotiate the cost of medical service as well. Especially if paying cash. Almost every doctor would be happy to take your cash right now, rather than wait for insurance to pay them, so there for they will reduce the stated cost. could be like paying sticker price for your new car... [X(]</span></font></div>
12-08-2009 | 11:09 PM
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I honestly think the drop in AMA memberships is due to the simple decline in aeromodeling interest. Flying isn't the high tech and cool activity it once was and that shows in the number of younger people who want to do the hobby. People who really want to fly models will mostly join clubs and it seems that most clubs understand the value of supporting the AMA. Renegades will always be on the fringe and park flyers are a different kind of modeler. I do believe that AMA will continue to decline as younger people pursue other interests. What I hope is that they don't try to change aeromodeling to make it more palatable to potential members who aren't interested, or start trying to milk their members in order to maintain the budget and staff that they've gotten used to.
