MCOCCIA...stick with the O.S. 50 engine Bud....I have the O.S. 61FX in mine, and LOVE IT!!!!!!!Lotsof smooth, reliable power!!!I love O.S engines!!
Of course...it is a personal taste/choice, but it looks like your set up is very nice the way it is. I would recommend you stick with it and fly...fly...fly....flyyyyyyyyyy

Adam....I second your opinion!!I think the .46 size handles better too, and actuallly...my friend who owns the .60 size...thinks the .46 size handles better too....

Had a couple of great flights on the .60 sized electric Twist today. Now that I have the CG dialed, she is flying very well. I have settled on a 16x10APC-E prop and I am having great results. Flew for ten minutes, and still had over half a battery pack left on the first flight. Topped them off and flew a good 15 minute flight with power to spare. I think the .60 has potential. Not quite as quick, but the longer tail moment has it's advantages.

Adam

This thread really starts to stall out come winter, nes pas? Hello............................................. ................*echo*Hello....................... ..................................*echo*Hello..... .................................................. ..................*echo*Hello


40degrees and what little snow we have is melting..............this "global warming" thing ain't half bad!


downtrodden

I hear ya'. As of now they are predicting sunny and mid 40's over the weekend around here so I'm praying for no (or very little) wind so I can finally mained my .60! Hoopefully all of the melted snow won't floof the runway out.

Here's a good arguement for an electric twist, like mine. Very little ground support equipment to deal with... just plug in, screw on the wing, and go. If you are feeling hardy, just recharge it while you sit in the truck listening to tunes...

Bob

Bob...I think you are somewhat an exeption here...most of us "die hard" Twist flyers are somewhat addicted to the sound of our engines and the smell of nitro[8D]..plus...we like to fly longgg....I have never timed my flight time..but darn..it sure looks like I can stay up there forever!!I have never flown completely out of nitro. And...I can fill her up in less than a minute and be airborne again!The nice part however of electric is there is less to clean up, since my T _ _ _ T's wings have the fuel marks on wing and fuselage, but I still would not trade it for electric. So with all respect, I make a long nose to ya!!

I have to go with the smell of Nitro myself, Last Saturday I couldn't make it to the Field so I had to quickly Buzz my foamy around the back yard for my flight day, its just not the same, I really don't feel like I have flown until the purr of my 70 - 4 stroke is idling on the runway, and then nothing but hot flashes of Yellow and purple streaking by my head, [X(][8D] No wonder I'm so groggy during the week, Nitro-methane must be my Caffeine,,,,I'm always dragging during the week but Saturdays I feel ALIVE...

DownT I agree there are less stories come winter time from the North part of the country, but the stories that do hit the page are usually pretty good, Pilots fighting the elements, freezing there Nubs off for the shear satisfaction of flying, I love that kind of devotion, My wife wanted me to make an Ice Skating rink in our back yard, I told her I would, and it is going to be at least 200 yards long, by about 30 yards wide, She said it doesn't have to be that big just a little Circle, I said not if its going to be my winter runway as well.

They are predicting 45 for this Saturday and we still haven't received any snow, so we may be able to get out there yet again.

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I'm going to have to build an R/C Waldo,,,, That way maybe someone would like the Idea and Mass produce me, so I can go flying all the time and just send my clones to work, to gigs, to building garages with friends,, Etc....... And I could build & fly planes and watch football all day while my clone was with my wife He'd have to have more Stamina then I do. She would be very happy indeed.

Maybe some of you Geniuses could help me in my caper. it could benefit us all

Hmmmmmmmm, I think I forgot to mention something...

y'see, I have two Twists..... the other one has a Saito .56 in it, which can be changed out for a Saito .82 with no trouble....

Maybe I should fly them in tandem???

Seriously, I made up the electric twist for winter flying - don't have to drag so much gear to the field for one or two flights....

Bob

Is there such a thing as having only one or two flights during an outing? Maybe if the plane gets trashed, but otherwise I say go for the gallon!

Well, normally I would agree with you... but if the temps are in the 20's, electric is much easier to deal with...

Like I said, that's why I have two Twists... one glow, one electric.

Bob

Bob,

Forget trying to convince these boys that electric is easier, especially in the cold. I have been trying for a long time now, and it just doesn't work. I have 3 Twists, a .60 size electric, a .61 OS, and a .46 evolution. I love them all for different reasons. I will side in with you that electric is great in the winter. I leave the wings on so all I have to do is hop out of the warm truck and take off. Never take the gloves off. When I am done, no cleaning. It is great.

I brought all electrics out on Saturday because it was pretty cold. I just built a new Extreme Flight Yak, so I maidened that and flew a bunch of flights. I have 4 battery packs for that one, so I can fly non stop all day with that one if want! (na na na na boo boo Down). I also flew my Twist 1 flight, and my T-Rex heli 2 flights. No clean up needed. Threw them all in the back of my truck in one piece, and broke them down in my warm garage.

Gonna be warm this weekend, so out come the glow models! Glow is still my favorite, but electric is awesome. Electric actually is easier to 3D and has many great performance benefits. Instant throttle reaction, and no dead sticks. Glow is noisy and smelly, and you just can't beat that in my book. I am torn.[sm=spinnyeyes.gif]

Don't get me wrong,,,, anything that is controlled by R/C is fun as hell in my book,,, But Glow & Gas is where my heart will always be. Clean up time for me no matter how cold, is always a great thing, As I'm wiping off the Oil and chewed up grass particles, it is quiet and I get to reflect on the days events, Usually if I have busted up in a crash I don't clean anything until I get all the pieces home, so I miss out on the tranquility of break down. I don't care if its just me or with the whole club, I'm usually the last one to leave, very rare that it isn't just me at the end. But to be standing on the big open field after the smoke has cleared, batteries all drained & out of fuel with your craft, You know you just had an awesome day, Your an R/C pilot,[8D] is there anything better in the world?

Yeah I know its weird, But to me you just can't beat that type of a day,,, Priceless..

I think that AdamG and I are on the same page. I have mostly glow and I like it, but I am growing to like electric an awful lot for the reasons explained...

I think that some of you are misunderstanding me. I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other... I'm saying not to ignore one just because of the other....

My main reason for mentioning this is to demonstrate that the TWIST makes a great electric conversion. I'm sure that there are better ways and combinations out there, but however you do it, the TWIST makes a great electric model, as well as a great glow model.

I don't want to get this thread off of the Twist to discuss electric, just wanted to discuss the possibilities of electrifying the Twist.

Bob

Electric, glow or gas...........its flying just the same. I have to agree with Waldo...................cleanup gives you a chance to go over your model with a fine toothed comb. That electric that you're so quick to put away (Adam) is bound to bite you in the rump. I don't think anyone here is offended............keep them posts coming!

downtrodden

You Guys need to move a little further South. Weather in the high 60s and Great for flying. I am a GloBug myself.

I am just trying to stir up a little trouble to keep the thread rolling. Plus, any excuse I can find to give Down a bit of a hard time is a plus. We had a long discussion about glow versus electric over one of the best steaks I have ever had when I went to the U.P. I better be careful not to piss him off because I am going to make him show me where the spring Walleye are up there come June.

Down,

Do you mean the fact that I don't wipe down the bird I may miss a loose linkage or something when you say it may bite me in the rump? That would make sense. Although I do make it a habit to inspect them pretty throughly in the shop between outings.

Waldo,

You certainly are a purist when it comes to this hobby. You have been flying for a very long time, and you still squeeze in every minute you can at the field. That is awesome.

Adam

Stir away! I think you forgot, Adam, that I began on electrics.........and I agree with everything you said, but................BUT I'm stuck with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of dead batteries. I'm still not convinced that the return on your dollar is good enough to make a financial comparison. You pay through the nose for the convenience electric offers. I just figure I'll let guys like you keep paying for the advancements in battery technology and when the price drops to reasonable levels........I'll get back into the electrics. Until then, keep buying them electric birds fellas.

I don't think this thread could possibly ever end unless they close down RC Universe, Too many friends with the same passion here, We all share the same thing, we all love the T_ _ _ T no matter what power house is used.

Bottom line is its one crazy plane to have in the hanger, I've never had a plane that is so responsive, fast and slow all in one bird, Highly acrobatic and as easy as a trainer to land, I don't think I've rebuilt a plane as many times as this one either, I have only had to rebuild this one because once your on the edge of the envelope with her, you just have to push it even further, I do anyway. just when I thought i couldn't get any closer to the ground inverted, hmmmmmm how close can I get while snap rolling, or hovering, or knife edging, then lets just see how fast or slow you can do all that as well, can you death spin all the way to the ground from beyond the clouds and pull out just in the nick of time,, Of course you can, but mis judgment will cost you some more glue,,, No Big deal,, its worth the extra spin just to watch the cringing faces of the people looking on, God I love that the sky is endless and so are the capabilities of this bird.

I have flown many different models and they are all great for one reason or another, like people, every plane has its own character, but this is the plane I always fly the most when ever I am out there. Its by far not the prettiest, not the fastest, not the greatest in aerial Maneuvers, buts a blast for sure...

Like Waldo said, it is a great all around fun airplane, whether it is electric or glow. That is what is great about this hobby.

Although we have put engines in it between 2 stroke OS-.61 and a Saito .82 4 stroke, you did not need a PHD to figure out what engine you needed for a .40 size plane. Electrics are convienent and no clean up but you need a PHD to figure out what motor/esc/gear box/battery combo. If you make a mistake you will end up with a very expensive lesson. Buy a $20 foam airplane and put $350 worth of batteries and electronics in it.

Like DownT, I too have lots of money tied up in dead batteries. Mostly from mistakes and the learning process. Without a Watt-meter of some kind you are the road to the school of hard knocks. The other thing with Lipos unless you are very,very careful, one mistake and your house, car, or whatever could go up in smoke. Electrics are fun. I have 5 of them but there is nothing like the smell and clean-up of nitro. I also think glow powered planes seem to fly better.

Once the motor goes dead on the electrics it seems like they turn into flying bricks. Only 1 of the 5 electrics I have seems to fly like a glow powered plane. The 1 is a balsa/ultracote ARF, three others are all foam and the fifth is a balsa kit. Adam, can you tell any difference in the flying characteristics between your electric and glow powered T***T?

Just wondering how long the flights are with a E-Pwr Twist?

Assuming you dont charge the batt quite full, and of course

dont discharge it too low. And dont nurse the throttle either.

Is it possible to go 5 min & still have full pwr?

decay,

My charger charges my lipo's exactly full every time. My speed controls warn me when the batteries reach the lowest safe level by slowly shutting down power. When this happens, I get set up to land. I get 10-12 minutes 3D, and 15 minutes sport flying. You do notice a decline in power towards the end of a charge, but mine is so grossly overpowered, it doesn't matter.

thebluemax,

My electric Twist is a .60, and my two glows are .40 so it is hard to make a direct comparison. I would say the .60 Twist does not have quite as much power as my .40 sized OS .61fx Twist, but way more power than the .40 sized with a .46 evolution model. It is plenty. I could prop it for even more power, but then I would drain the batteries faster. This same setup would pull a .40 sized Twist around with more power than the .61. It is a very powerful set up. It would be overkill on the .40, and a bit heavy. It is perfect for the .60.

Main performance advanages are instantanious response with no spool up time, and precise rpm variation. In a hover one click of throttle will give you about 150 rpm. This is nice for maintaining altitude in a hover. You have precise control of rpm's, great for 3D. That is about it. Other than that, it flies the same.

Adam

My Twist has an Axi 4130/14 outrunner with a 4S2P 4200mAh pack. I routinely get two 8-10 minute flights out of them, with battery management. I'm not flying it at wild 3D rates which might require full throttle a lot more than I use it.

I'm using a 13x8 MA wood Scimitar prop (yes, I said 'wood'). The performance is about the same as my APC 13x8. I just prefer wood props. The weight difference is only about 2 grams.

I'm thinking about experimenting with a 5S 4200 - 5000 mAh pack if I can find one that will fit into the Twist's fuel tank compartment. I'm sure that would curl my lip a little if I can find that.

There might be a photo of the engine setup and a short write up in Peter Young's RCR "Around The Circuit" column in a couple of months or so.

I'm still new to electrics and still experimenting, but if you have any more questions about my E-Twist (my name for it), just give a holler.

Bob

Thanks Adam.
I agree with everything you say about the instant acceleration, power differences, etc. but how about with the power off? Obviously power off in a hover is no comparison there. You're a gonna with electric or glow. I mean such as gliding or dead stick landings, etc? That is where I am seeing the differences or at least think I do.

My electric Spacewalker seems to glide and fly dead stick like a glow powered plane. My Alfa Models FW-190 and my GWS ME-109 do not. Maybe it is because they are warbirds and even though they are foam and small sized they are still warbirds and are suppose to fly that way. My Mini-Hawk flying wing is worst than the warbirds. As soon as the power is off she is coming down. The balsa Mini Laser 3-D is better than the warbirds but not as good as the Spacewalker. Maybe it is just me.... (left the door wide open there......)

Anybody see the new twist 150 yet?
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdId=HAN4525

-Eric