VMAR Improving?
10-24-2004 | 11:20 PM
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RE: VMAR Improving?
I would never buy a VMAR but to be fair they do fly well. Try the CAP 231 and the Edge ... also the scale planes like your Beaver, Tomohawk, Subaru etc fly very nice. For the price I will go WM for sure ... just got my Super Chipmunk up and she flies so darn well. Brilliant knife edges ...
10-26-2004 | 06:19 PM
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I have the Vmar Aero Subaru, and it has suprisingly turned out to be a pretty fun Plane to fly and own. I was dissapointed when I first got it, because some of the glue joints were poorly done, but now after a good beefing up, and some good inspecting, the Plane is a ball to fly.
There have been a lot of opinions about the covering also. Is it better than Monokote or UltraKote?.....I have no idea! I will say though that I have had more compliments about how neat the Plane looks than I have from any of the other Planes I own. Exspecially from non fliers, who don't read post here on RCU.
There are issues about the wood they use to build the Planes out of. Personally I don't care if it is made out of Hedge, as long as it flies good, and will take a few rough landings. And happily my Subaru does both.
Sometimes you have to be able to seperate a planted image from a fact. For example.....I could probally get 30 buddies to start comming on here and talking down Sig Planes, and Sig would probally have a 1000 angry emails from Customers who were once happy, but now are not, because me and my buddies placed an image in everyones head about Sig.
I am not saying that there are not legitimate quallity issues with Vmar. I am just saying that some people will just jump on the Vmar hate bandwagon just because they have read alot of post by others on the hate bandwagon. Talk to the Flyers who have actually had experience with these Planes, and get those opinions. Somebody telling me that they had a cousin, who had a friend, who had a nephew who owned a Vmar, and said it was bad just don't mean *%it to me. I want to talk to other fools like me, who actually bought one, assembled one, and have flown one. Those are the opinions that really hold weight.
No matter what happens to my Subaru now, I have allready gotten my moneys worth of fun out of it. It don't owe me anything now. I went against what everyone told me about Vmar, and bought one anyway, and I have no regrets. I have many other Name Brand Planes like Great Planes/ Sig/ Hangar 9,etc., and I am just as proud to hang my Vmar Aero Subaru by any of them now. It is always good to get opinion about a product before you buy, and I would by no means tell anyone to rush out and buy a Vmar due to all the Customer Complaints. I am just saying that with all the bad Vmars people have bought, they at least have one customer who is happy with a Vmar Plane they bought.
There have been a lot of opinions about the covering also. Is it better than Monokote or UltraKote?.....I have no idea! I will say though that I have had more compliments about how neat the Plane looks than I have from any of the other Planes I own. Exspecially from non fliers, who don't read post here on RCU.
There are issues about the wood they use to build the Planes out of. Personally I don't care if it is made out of Hedge, as long as it flies good, and will take a few rough landings. And happily my Subaru does both.
Sometimes you have to be able to seperate a planted image from a fact. For example.....I could probally get 30 buddies to start comming on here and talking down Sig Planes, and Sig would probally have a 1000 angry emails from Customers who were once happy, but now are not, because me and my buddies placed an image in everyones head about Sig.
I am not saying that there are not legitimate quallity issues with Vmar. I am just saying that some people will just jump on the Vmar hate bandwagon just because they have read alot of post by others on the hate bandwagon. Talk to the Flyers who have actually had experience with these Planes, and get those opinions. Somebody telling me that they had a cousin, who had a friend, who had a nephew who owned a Vmar, and said it was bad just don't mean *%it to me. I want to talk to other fools like me, who actually bought one, assembled one, and have flown one. Those are the opinions that really hold weight.
No matter what happens to my Subaru now, I have allready gotten my moneys worth of fun out of it. It don't owe me anything now. I went against what everyone told me about Vmar, and bought one anyway, and I have no regrets. I have many other Name Brand Planes like Great Planes/ Sig/ Hangar 9,etc., and I am just as proud to hang my Vmar Aero Subaru by any of them now. It is always good to get opinion about a product before you buy, and I would by no means tell anyone to rush out and buy a Vmar due to all the Customer Complaints. I am just saying that with all the bad Vmars people have bought, they at least have one customer who is happy with a Vmar Plane they bought.
10-26-2004 | 06:34 PM
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... is this a reformed VMAR or are they not as bad as everyone says?
Most of the negative posts I've seen don't cite personal experiences, and some that do just tell me the pilot couldn't handle a low wing aerobat. I don't mind the covering issues, and there were no structural issues or bad flight characteristics. Oh, and two of my friends bought the old style Extra 300, on my recommendation. Both were satisfied.
Your call.
Dave Olson
10-27-2004 | 08:02 AM
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Speaking from direct $389.00 personal experience, these are the worst! From ground up, bad design, bad, cheap wood, unusable hardware, Lousy instructions, poor parts fit, cheesy shelf paper covering that wrinkles and fades and comes loose easily, easily cracked fiberglass parts, thin cheap plastic parts, and two of the dumbest looking pilots mounted and glued under the canopy making changing them impossible! Take the word of the VERY few who have had an acceptable experience with this crappy ripoff company, or take the word of the masses. If you are lured into the point of buying one of these abortions by their garish advertising only to find yourself the proud owner of one of the worst ARFs on the market, just remember, you were warned.
10-27-2004 | 11:15 AM
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From: frimley,surrey., UNITED KINGDOM
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they may be improving but they needed to didn't they?i owned one once and thats the way it's going to stay!i might as well have flushed my money down the pan.
07-22-2005 | 05:31 PM
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I have flew my stick-60 for two years now, have no idea how many can,s of fuel. Aeorobatic, gentle, what ever, it never let,s me down.
Also fly other planes, but this is what I allways fall back to. Vmar can,t be that bad!
Also fly other planes, but this is what I allways fall back to. Vmar can,t be that bad!
07-22-2005 | 06:08 PM
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I think i just got unlucky with my Vmar V-Stik. I ripped the covering off the right wing in about a 10-20 degree full throttle dive... Pulled out very slowly, yet it still came off.. I would buy another one, and just rip the covering off and re cover it.
07-23-2005 | 02:01 AM
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My advice is NOT to buy VMAR for the next 6-8 months, soon they will run out of that cheap wood they call "cotton wood", then you will have good balsa. This was the same for Black Horse, Phoenix. If you look at Black Horse ... they use balsa and its all laser cut. It will happen for VMAR soon too. The truth about VMAR is that its badly manufactured (method and material) but they do fly nice.
07-23-2005 | 06:45 AM
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Got the new mig 21..looks nice... I think they are improving. I find it funny how us people here in America complain about such non-important things.. Geez people its a wood rc airplane.. Some people cant be pleased.. THats why I'm glad I dont work for the public.......I wouldn't have a job long
...I'm not jumping on the bash vmar bandwagon... I personally get sick of trying to find information about them on here, and instead of flight reports or build threads, you get these horrible flame threads.. [:'(] Some of there planes look cheesy.. The mig I got here is really nice.. PLus how many mig 21 ars are there.....none.. If you want real quaility, dont flame on the cheap companys, go buy from yellow, dp, ect, and pay there rediculous prices..
...I'm not jumping on the bash vmar bandwagon... I personally get sick of trying to find information about them on here, and instead of flight reports or build threads, you get these horrible flame threads.. [:'(] Some of there planes look cheesy.. The mig I got here is really nice.. PLus how many mig 21 ars are there.....none.. If you want real quaility, dont flame on the cheap companys, go buy from yellow, dp, ect, and pay there rediculous prices..
07-23-2005 | 07:37 AM
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Hi,
I have a VMar 21Mig also, just bought it, after reviewing the set up book and fitting the vertical stab I noticed that it is very difficlut to get the printed throws of one inch left and right. Did you have the same problem? Does the control wire - rod that is installed in the rudder come lose on yours and did the rod when the rudder is moved left-right, when holding the rudder in your hand, move off center causing the drag when installed in the fuse? Any sugestions?
Bob
I have a VMar 21Mig also, just bought it, after reviewing the set up book and fitting the vertical stab I noticed that it is very difficlut to get the printed throws of one inch left and right. Did you have the same problem? Does the control wire - rod that is installed in the rudder come lose on yours and did the rod when the rudder is moved left-right, when holding the rudder in your hand, move off center causing the drag when installed in the fuse? Any sugestions?
Bob
07-23-2005 | 01:46 PM
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tIANci... please substantiate the following quote. Thanks.
ORIGINAL: tIANci
My advice is NOT to buy VMAR for the next 6-8 months, soon they will run out of that cheap wood they call "cotton wood", then you will have good balsa. This was the same for Black Horse, Phoenix. If you look at Black Horse ... they use balsa and its all laser cut. It will happen for VMAR soon too. The truth about VMAR is that its badly manufactured (method and material) but they do fly nice.
My advice is NOT to buy VMAR for the next 6-8 months, soon they will run out of that cheap wood they call "cotton wood", then you will have good balsa. This was the same for Black Horse, Phoenix. If you look at Black Horse ... they use balsa and its all laser cut. It will happen for VMAR soon too. The truth about VMAR is that its badly manufactured (method and material) but they do fly nice.
07-23-2005 | 02:25 PM
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Kelsey ... it was said tongue in cheek ... come on. Actually, the wood used in Vietnamese planes is some wood called cotton wood (just a generic name), manufacturers like Black Horse has run out of it and they are now using balsa, a lot more of it. As for VMARs manufacturing, I have seen all of their planes when the LHS brought them in the 1st time, all the plane a year ago. The quality is bad news ... well I used to manufacture hand made guitars, I work with wood so I can tell you what compared with other planes of the same price range (here in Malaysia that is), this plane is not worth it. Of course the LHS made a killing as they hyped the plane up so well that they sold no less than about 50 kits in the first one or two days.
Taildragger - its complaining, not whining. Also, its not bias ...
Taildragger - its complaining, not whining. Also, its not bias ...
07-23-2005 | 09:18 PM
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Do these things still smell as bad as they use to when you open the box ?... I think it is that green cottonwood they use that has a really bad odor...
Taildragger... I for one am also glad your not in public service... The quality there is bad enough already
Taildragger... I for one am also glad your not in public service... The quality there is bad enough already
07-23-2005 | 09:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: ckangaroo70
I have the Vmar Aero Subaru, and it has suprisingly turned out to be a pretty fun Plane to fly and own. I was dissapointed when I first got it, because some of the glue joints were poorly done, but now after a good beefing up, and some good inspecting, the Plane is a ball to fly.
There have been a lot of opinions about the covering also. Is it better than Monokote or UltraKote?.....I have no idea! I will say though that I have had more compliments about how neat the Plane looks than I have from any of the other Planes I own. Exspecially from non fliers, who don't read post here on RCU.
There are issues about the wood they use to build the Planes out of. Personally I don't care if it is made out of Hedge, as long as it flies good, and will take a few rough landings. And happily my Subaru does both.
Sometimes you have to be able to seperate a planted image from a fact. For example.....I could probally get 30 buddies to start comming on here and talking down Sig Planes, and Sig would probally have a 1000 angry emails from Customers who were once happy, but now are not, because me and my buddies placed an image in everyones head about Sig.
I am not saying that there are not legitimate quallity issues with Vmar. I am just saying that some people will just jump on the Vmar hate bandwagon just because they have read alot of post by others on the hate bandwagon. Talk to the Flyers who have actually had experience with these Planes, and get those opinions. Somebody telling me that they had a cousin, who had a friend, who had a nephew who owned a Vmar, and said it was bad just don't mean *%it to me. I want to talk to other fools like me, who actually bought one, assembled one, and have flown one. Those are the opinions that really hold weight.
No matter what happens to my Subaru now, I have allready gotten my moneys worth of fun out of it. It don't owe me anything now. I went against what everyone told me about Vmar, and bought one anyway, and I have no regrets. I have many other Name Brand Planes like Great Planes/ Sig/ Hangar 9,etc., and I am just as proud to hang my Vmar Aero Subaru by any of them now. It is always good to get opinion about a product before you buy, and I would by no means tell anyone to rush out and buy a Vmar due to all the Customer Complaints. I am just saying that with all the bad Vmars people have bought, they at least have one customer who is happy with a Vmar Plane they bought.
I have the Vmar Aero Subaru, and it has suprisingly turned out to be a pretty fun Plane to fly and own. I was dissapointed when I first got it, because some of the glue joints were poorly done, but now after a good beefing up, and some good inspecting, the Plane is a ball to fly.
There have been a lot of opinions about the covering also. Is it better than Monokote or UltraKote?.....I have no idea! I will say though that I have had more compliments about how neat the Plane looks than I have from any of the other Planes I own. Exspecially from non fliers, who don't read post here on RCU.
There are issues about the wood they use to build the Planes out of. Personally I don't care if it is made out of Hedge, as long as it flies good, and will take a few rough landings. And happily my Subaru does both.
Sometimes you have to be able to seperate a planted image from a fact. For example.....I could probally get 30 buddies to start comming on here and talking down Sig Planes, and Sig would probally have a 1000 angry emails from Customers who were once happy, but now are not, because me and my buddies placed an image in everyones head about Sig.
I am not saying that there are not legitimate quallity issues with Vmar. I am just saying that some people will just jump on the Vmar hate bandwagon just because they have read alot of post by others on the hate bandwagon. Talk to the Flyers who have actually had experience with these Planes, and get those opinions. Somebody telling me that they had a cousin, who had a friend, who had a nephew who owned a Vmar, and said it was bad just don't mean *%it to me. I want to talk to other fools like me, who actually bought one, assembled one, and have flown one. Those are the opinions that really hold weight.
No matter what happens to my Subaru now, I have allready gotten my moneys worth of fun out of it. It don't owe me anything now. I went against what everyone told me about Vmar, and bought one anyway, and I have no regrets. I have many other Name Brand Planes like Great Planes/ Sig/ Hangar 9,etc., and I am just as proud to hang my Vmar Aero Subaru by any of them now. It is always good to get opinion about a product before you buy, and I would by no means tell anyone to rush out and buy a Vmar due to all the Customer Complaints. I am just saying that with all the bad Vmars people have bought, they at least have one customer who is happy with a Vmar Plane they bought.
07-23-2005 | 11:06 PM
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07-23-2005 | 11:39 PM
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tIANci... for information about the wood used in VMAR ARF models please visit our Knowledge Base at http://142.179.114.175/novo/default....11&Lang=1&SID=
Richmond RC Supply Ltd
VMAR Distributor - The Americas
Richmond RC Supply Ltd
VMAR Distributor - The Americas
07-24-2005 | 12:17 AM
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Do these things still smell as bad as they use to when you open the box ?... I think it is that green cottonwood they use that has a really bad odor...
Taildragger... I for one am also glad your not in public service... The quality there is bad enough already
Do these things still smell as bad as they use to when you open the box ?... I think it is that green cottonwood they use that has a really bad odor...
Taildragger... I for one am also glad your not in public service... The quality there is bad enough already
07-24-2005 | 12:30 AM
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Hey taildragger, I just got a vmar plane and it blew my skirt up!!! It tops!!!!!! My vmar didn't smell that bad, It smells like woodHey maybe that iron cross dude is just smelling his own self....[8D]
Hey maybe that iron cross dude is just smelling his own self....[8D]
07-24-2005 | 01:44 AM
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Kelsey - don't get me wrong but I will tell you that the shipment that came to Malaysia last year was not 100% balsa. Its the same soft white 'damp' wood used in planes like Black Horse. It breaks differently. Some of the plane had some fake wood veneer sheeting on top of it, like what was called 'formica'. This was not used in all planes, some had it on the removable engine mounting system and some on the wing bolt mount. I saw no less than 15 planes in one evening and it was not a good sight ... the planes fly very nice but I am not here to flame it but to state what was seen. Like I said I work with wood and balsa it was not for sure. Sorry guys ...
I must say that after that first batch of VMAR madness sale ... no one bought them again. New people yes ... same ones? No ... sorry again Kelsey.
I must say that after that first batch of VMAR madness sale ... no one bought them again. New people yes ... same ones? No ... sorry again Kelsey.
07-24-2005 | 09:32 AM
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Vmar has some very good looking designs, and have a nice full lineup of Planes. To their credit, they offer alot of Planes, and are very creative. The problem is that they take their nice designs and try to build them as cheap as possible. I have the Vmar Aero Subaru, which is a great looking design. The problem is that the quality was low. I don't know why Vmar don't get out of the market of trying to be the cheapest, and start putting some quallity into their designs. I would easily have paid another $50 for the Subaru if the hardware was all top notch stuff and the Plane had been assembled straight, used CA, and epoxy, and contest grade balsa. Vmar has the right designs, and are very creative, but quality is where they suffer. If I was at the head of Vmar, I would drop the Vmar name, and come up with a new name. I would then take the great designs done formarly under the Vmar name, and start building high quality Aircraft using Name Brand Hardware, High Grade Balsa, and have them built to the strictest quality control standard. Sure the price will go up, and this new Name will not be the cheapest around, but they will begin to build a reputation as a great ARF Manufacturer/Distributor, and with Creative Designs like that of the Subaru they will become giants in the industry, and liked by all that do business with them. Even some simple changes in the Vmar line would be an improvement, and it seems they are at least straying away from using wood that is something other than balsa. They could also make their Cowls a little stronger, include Dubro Tires instead of the "out of round" things they currently supply. Supply Hardware that is usable or just leave it out, and have the customer buy their own. Steps could be taken to give people less reason to complain.
07-24-2005 | 10:49 AM
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Got the new mig 21..looks nice... I think they are improving. I find it funny how us people here in America complain about such non-important things.. Geez people its a wood rc airplane.. Some people cant be pleased.. THats why I'm glad I dont work for the public.......I wouldn't have a job long...I'm not jumping on the bash vmar bandwagon... I personally get sick of trying to find information about them on here, and instead of flight reports or build threads, you get these horrible flame threads.. [:'(] Some of there planes look cheesy.. The mig I got here is really nice.. PLus how many mig 21 ars are there.....none.. If you want real quaility, dont flame on the cheap companys, go buy from yellow, dp, ect, and pay there rediculous prices..
Got the new mig 21..looks nice... I think they are improving. I find it funny how us people here in America complain about such non-important things.. Geez people its a wood rc airplane.. Some people cant be pleased.. THats why I'm glad I dont work for the public.......I wouldn't have a job long
...I'm not jumping on the bash vmar bandwagon... I personally get sick of trying to find information about them on here, and instead of flight reports or build threads, you get these horrible flame threads.. [:'(] Some of there planes look cheesy.. The mig I got here is really nice.. PLus how many mig 21 ars are there.....none.. If you want real quaility, dont flame on the cheap companys, go buy from yellow, dp, ect, and pay there rediculous prices..
