Super Skybolt ARF
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RE: Super Skybolt ARF
Thanks for the pics marco. I like the idea of smoke on this plane. Once I get mine,I may have some questions for you about that. Do you know where your cg is with all the stuff you have up front? A lot of what i've read indicates that the recommended starting point is nose heavy and that the rearward range of the suggested cg is more desireable. I've found that to be true on other great planes ARFs. Seems like the smoke pump might take the place of all the nose weight that others add to hit the suggested starting point.
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RE: Super Skybolt ARF
ORIGINAL: marcoferretti
Hi Rock!
The vertical piece and the vertical plate are things I added to place the smoke-pump and battery the most forward to get the correct CG without adding lead. Let me call it ''useful weight''.
Hi Rock!
The vertical piece and the vertical plate are things I added to place the smoke-pump and battery the most forward to get the correct CG without adding lead. Let me call it ''useful weight''.
I also moved everything forward to get the C.G. as per the manual, then after several flights moved the battery, etc. back into the fuse. The plane flies MUCH better this way.
I have the C.G. a good 1"-1.8" BACK from what the manual states and it still could go further back to make the plane more neutral.
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ORIGINAL: marcoferretti
Hi Rock!
The vertical piece and the vertical plate are things I added to place the smoke-pump and battery the most forward to get the correct CG without adding lead. Let me call it ''useful weight''.
When mounting the kit, I did reinforce all glue joints in the firewall area. I don't know if this was helpful or not.
Next, I brushed finishing-resin on the firewall before installing engine mounts. Even the best ARF manufacturer will say its models are perfectly fuelproofed, it is not so. Did the resin help to make the liteply firewall more robust? Could be. My firewall is actually holding the engine, the smokepump and battery weight, all these items plus mounting plate etc.. are worth about 2.4lb. The acceleration of flight/aerobatic maneuvres applied to such weight will result in an impressive force applied to the firewall itself. So far I had no issues, hope I'll never have any...
BTW, I agree a firewall should not be made of liteply. True this ARF is ''the'' lighter version of the kit-skybolt, but there is no reason in making the front area so light if some ballast is to be added in any case to get a correct CG. Oh yes, I got it: it's just a matter of cost....
Hi Rock!
The vertical piece and the vertical plate are things I added to place the smoke-pump and battery the most forward to get the correct CG without adding lead. Let me call it ''useful weight''.
When mounting the kit, I did reinforce all glue joints in the firewall area. I don't know if this was helpful or not.
Next, I brushed finishing-resin on the firewall before installing engine mounts. Even the best ARF manufacturer will say its models are perfectly fuelproofed, it is not so. Did the resin help to make the liteply firewall more robust? Could be. My firewall is actually holding the engine, the smokepump and battery weight, all these items plus mounting plate etc.. are worth about 2.4lb. The acceleration of flight/aerobatic maneuvres applied to such weight will result in an impressive force applied to the firewall itself. So far I had no issues, hope I'll never have any...
BTW, I agree a firewall should not be made of liteply. True this ARF is ''the'' lighter version of the kit-skybolt, but there is no reason in making the front area so light if some ballast is to be added in any case to get a correct CG. Oh yes, I got it: it's just a matter of cost....
Liteply is an extremely variable material because of the type wood the middle ply is made from. It can be fairly strong. It can also be worthless. And worst of all, it can vary greatly in each piece.
There are thousands upon thousands of models flying with liteply firewalls and surviving. But if anyone out there is like me, I want mine to stand up to a lifetime's use. Most of us don't want just 10-20 flights out of any of theirs, which is a possibility with the design of this ARF and it's wood selection.
Yes, painting the finishing resin helped the compression problem quite a bit. Finishing resin actually strengthens soft wood that'll absorb it, and liteply's veneers are certainly soft woods.
I hope you never have issues either. My "advertising" of this issue is to help others avoid them when they get their new Skybolts and start assembling. It'll at least give them a head's up.
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@ orangepeal: it's just fantastic to se a bipe "smoking"!! I first fitted the engine compartment with lead to get che correct CG, just unuseful weight. I had a 12V pump, so I bought a brushed motor controller, plugged on a free channel in my RX and that's it!
I suggest you maiden your Skybolt first, then you may thing about of fitting a smoke system. For your first flight, just set the CG on the foremost point. It will surely be nose-heavy but that's OK, it will be very easy to handle and and will land on its own! Get confident with your bird and gradually remove weight to shift CG back till you feel the model is really yours.
@ rock: You just did right, informing other modellers of these issues is very important!! Thank you!!
I suggest you maiden your Skybolt first, then you may thing about of fitting a smoke system. For your first flight, just set the CG on the foremost point. It will surely be nose-heavy but that's OK, it will be very easy to handle and and will land on its own! Get confident with your bird and gradually remove weight to shift CG back till you feel the model is really yours.
@ rock: You just did right, informing other modellers of these issues is very important!! Thank you!!
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My LHS made me a deal that I couldn't pass up and so I took the Skybolt ARF home Friday. In anticipation of getting it at some point, I had previously picked up some 1/5 scale cockpit gauges from Hobby Lobby. I made a cockpit dashboard out of 1/8" birch ply and drilled it for the gauges. Here's a couple of pics.
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I just got a GP Super Skybolt for Christmas. I am thinking of putting a OS 61 SF ABC in it with a Bison Pitts muffler because, IIRC, this is the engine for which the plane was originally designed. Has anyone done this type of installation? If so, did the muffler have to be cut for either the head of the engine or for the muffler?
The other choice I have is a Enya 80 4C. I am not sure that this engine has enough power for a Skybolt. The Enya will turn a 13x6 prop at a little under 10,000 rpm. Has anyone tried this combination?
Bruce
The other choice I have is a Enya 80 4C. I am not sure that this engine has enough power for a Skybolt. The Enya will turn a 13x6 prop at a little under 10,000 rpm. Has anyone tried this combination?
Bruce
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ORIGINAL: landeck
I just got a GP Super Skybolt for Christmas. I am thinking of putting a OS 61 SF ABC in it with a Bison Pitts muffler because, IIRC, this is the engine for which the plane was originally designed. Has anyone done this type of installation? If so, did the muffler have to be cut for either the head of the engine or for the muffler?
The other choice I have is a Enya 80 4C. I am not sure that this engine has enough power for a Skybolt. The Enya will turn a 13x6 prop at a little under 10,000 rpm. Has anyone tried this combination?
Bruce
I just got a GP Super Skybolt for Christmas. I am thinking of putting a OS 61 SF ABC in it with a Bison Pitts muffler because, IIRC, this is the engine for which the plane was originally designed. Has anyone done this type of installation? If so, did the muffler have to be cut for either the head of the engine or for the muffler?
The other choice I have is a Enya 80 4C. I am not sure that this engine has enough power for a Skybolt. The Enya will turn a 13x6 prop at a little under 10,000 rpm. Has anyone tried this combination?
Bruce
Did the cowl have to be cut?
I use an OS61 in my Skybolt. Got an older style Slimline Pitts muffler on it. Had to cut a hole through the bottom of the cowl for the two pipes to stick out. They didn't stick far enough to blow all the exhaust clear, so I stick silicone extensions on after the cowl is on. Almost no residue to wipe off after a day of flying. Sorry I don't have a better picture.
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I'm fairly certain the Bison would fit the same, only needing a hole for the pipes. I've got Bisons in a couple of other close cowls and it takes up about the same area as a Slimline.
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da Rock, thanks for information. IIRC, you used a 61 FX which in size is similar to the 61 SF. Also I have an old style Slimline I can compare the Bison to for size. Did you have any muffler presure/fuel flow problems with the Slimline muffler?
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da Rock, thanks for information. IIRC, you used a 61 FX which in size is similar to the 61 SF. Also I have an old style Slimline I can compare the Bison to for size. Did you have any muffler presure/fuel flow problems with the Slimline muffler?
Bruce
da Rock, thanks for information. IIRC, you used a 61 FX which in size is similar to the 61 SF. Also I have an old style Slimline I can compare the Bison to for size. Did you have any muffler presure/fuel flow problems with the Slimline muffler?
Bruce
OK, I just ran down to the shop and looked into the cowling. The Bisons have a large tank where the old Slimline has a tube, but it is positioned perfectly to keep the size out of play. It should fit into the cowling with space to spare.
The Bison's tubes are longer than the Slimlines. They might be a bit further back. The hole I made in the lower cowl for the tubes actually wasn't very large. You need it of course for the pipes to exhaust outside the cowl, but sometimes it has to be longer to let the cowl fit over the pipes as it's being put on. Sometimes what I do is saw the pipes shorter and put on longer silicone tubes. This cowl didn't need that for the Slimline, and I don't think it'll need it for the Bison.
It's a nice flying airplane. Just messing with it just now made me wish it wasn't raining.........
You'll like yours.
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I hope the pictures loaded. Here is yet another Super Skybolt. I think it is a very good looking plane. It is powered by a Thunder Tiger .91 FS. The smoke "module" can be easily removed. The smoke oil tank had to be flattened a bit in order to clear the wing saddle.
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I'm finally getting around to putting mine together this week. I pulled out the cowl and put it on the fuse just to see the effect and it's a very different shade of red compared to the covering. The covering is more of a deep red, almost maroon, while the cowl is bright red. Did others have this issue? In looking at the photos posted on this thread, it seems everyone's cowl matches the covering perfectly. Did anyone have to paint there cowl to get a match? If so, what paint did you use? Thanks!
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The non-color match is unfortunate.
I've had the GP Skybolt in the box for a year. I'm not sure I want to take a look.
Orangepeal, you did a great job on the panel. Neat and clean! Feel like making another?
Charles
I've had the GP Skybolt in the box for a year. I'm not sure I want to take a look.
Orangepeal, you did a great job on the panel. Neat and clean! Feel like making another?
Charles
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ORIGINAL: Avaiojet
The non-color match is unfortunate.
I've had the GP Skybolt in the box for a year. I'm not sure I want to take a look.
Orangepeal, you did a great job on the panel. Neat and clean! Feel like making another?
Charles
The non-color match is unfortunate.
I've had the GP Skybolt in the box for a year. I'm not sure I want to take a look.
Orangepeal, you did a great job on the panel. Neat and clean! Feel like making another?
Charles
As far as the cowl goes, I realized that it matches the red on the checkerboard underside of the wings exactly, but not the darker red on the fuse which it butts up against. I thinkI'll just plan to live with it.
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Orangepeal,
Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately I do build but realistically, I don't currently have the time to do a tedious task like making the panel. Your's looks great! Plus you already made one. That's good experience.
If you want to order the stuff needed, I'll pay the cost for the parts and for the panel. Or we can trade graphics or lettering. I trade graphics all the time for R/C stuff. You decide. If you don't want to make it for a trade, that's fine, I'll understand.
Remember, my GP SS is still in the box, so there's no rush.
I'm busy trying to get building space in my small garage. We moved to FL and I no longer have a basement. Wife won't let me build in the house.
www.cfcgraphics.com
One quick thing. I've heard of guys putting 120 two strokes in the GP SS. Has anyone used a 120 two stroke in one?
I'll get my address to you.
OK? OK!
Charles
Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately I do build but realistically, I don't currently have the time to do a tedious task like making the panel. Your's looks great! Plus you already made one. That's good experience.
If you want to order the stuff needed, I'll pay the cost for the parts and for the panel. Or we can trade graphics or lettering. I trade graphics all the time for R/C stuff. You decide. If you don't want to make it for a trade, that's fine, I'll understand.
Remember, my GP SS is still in the box, so there's no rush.
I'm busy trying to get building space in my small garage. We moved to FL and I no longer have a basement. Wife won't let me build in the house.
www.cfcgraphics.com
One quick thing. I've heard of guys putting 120 two strokes in the GP SS. Has anyone used a 120 two stroke in one?
I'll get my address to you.
OK? OK!
Charles
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Orangepeal,
Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately I do build but realistically, I don't currently have the time to do a tedious task like making the panel. Your's looks great! Plus you already made one. That's good experience.
If you want to order the stuff needed, I'll pay the cost for the parts and for the panel. Or we can trade graphics or lettering. I trade graphics all the time for R/C stuff. You decide. If you don't want to make it for a trade, that's fine, I'll understand.
Orangepeal,
Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately I do build but realistically, I don't currently have the time to do a tedious task like making the panel. Your's looks great! Plus you already made one. That's good experience.
If you want to order the stuff needed, I'll pay the cost for the parts and for the panel. Or we can trade graphics or lettering. I trade graphics all the time for R/C stuff. You decide. If you don't want to make it for a trade, that's fine, I'll understand.
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I'm progressing. I should finish it this week. Here's a pic of the build so far and of the cowl color difference. I guess it's not really that bad, but not the perfect match I've gotten in the past.
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Orangepeal,
About the cowling. Some auto body paint supply stores scan colors for correct paint match and provide them in aerolsol cans.
You could call around, local, and see what you can come up with for this service?
Any auto body shop will paint clear over your new color for pennies. Have to get them when they are painting clear on a car.
I've done this before.
Could work.
Charles
About the cowling. Some auto body paint supply stores scan colors for correct paint match and provide them in aerolsol cans.
You could call around, local, and see what you can come up with for this service?
Any auto body shop will paint clear over your new color for pennies. Have to get them when they are painting clear on a car.
I've done this before.
Could work.
Charles