Does anyone know if this has been released. Link to seller? Any field reports-news other than this months issue MAN.

It would be nice if they returned e-mails Maybe then we would know!

I was ready to get one the first time I saw it in the mag. Now I found something I like better. I guess I should thank them for not getting it out or letting anyone know a realistic "on the market date".... If they are having production problems, I appreciate not putting it ou, but at least let me know whay the delay.....

This is a very complex model. I would think that you had rather them get it right, than have them rushing to production, and having you do the research and development for them, as some distributors do. I have been since the fiirst of March building one (this is my 4th one of these) and I can tell you that these are difficult to get right. It's not a throw down junker.

Bill, AMA 4720

I'm sure your craftsmanship is exponentially higher than the Chinese assembly line that the Cox version will get built on, but if you had their assembly jigs and could clone yourself a couple of times, you could build about four of these a day. I've drooled over the thought of one of these since I saw the first mention of them. I have a smaller Sportsman WACO, sport scale of a UPF-7, and love to fly it, but the YMF is much prettier, plus this one is plenty big for a gasser and smoke system. I'd love to build the kit, but I couldn't do it for what the ARF costs, plus I already have 4 bipes lined up to build, plus a couple of others. Just hope I live long enough and don't go blind first.

Stickbuilder... I agree, I mentioned that I understand production delays, but at least have some info on the website as to status of model.. release date.. I'd be happy to wait for quality, but give me an idea of how long......Maybe by the time it comes on market I'll be ready to buy it. not slaming Cox at all.......

Four of these a day? You have slipped a gear there khodges. You have obviously never seen the framework of the 1/5th scale PICA WACI YMF. I don't care how many jugs you have, that's not going to happen(at least if they folow the parts for the original kit). I could give a very good flame here, but I'll let it pass. I think that you need to do a little looking at the different threads in Kit building, and Vintage/antique forums. This might just open your eyes a tad.

No hard feelings, you have just never attempted the build on one of these.

Bill, AMA 4720

The point is that the Chinese will probably build a hundred of them a day. And they're going to look beautiful. And they'll be straight and true. And Cox plans to make a profit selling them over here, and will.

They're working out the production problems so that they wouldn't be painstakingly gluing a lot of sticks, one at a time. And they're changing the internal structure to suit an assembly line.

And even if they were going to produce one a day out of sticks glued one at a time, none of that explains why Cox can't be forthcoming and give their best estimate of when the model is probably going to be available for purchase.

I can't speak for their company policy. I don't work for Cox, and I never have. I was told that they would be bringing out the kit of the WACO, only to find out that It's only going to be an ARF. Sorry, but I'm not interested in that one. I'll scan the die cut parts from one of my kits, and will keep on building them. Might even punch one up a few percentage points. It might be interesting as a 30% scale or there about. The scale fidelity is better on this one than what is out there in the world of ARF's

Bill, AMA 4720

I think Darock got the jist of my post a bit clearer than you did, Bill. I've seen the framework, and although I haven't built one (yet) doesn't mean I can't appreciate the amount of work involved. But if the Chinese can't build them any faster than you, they sure can't afford to sell them for $400 each. Don't take yourself so seriously. It's just a hobby. I doubt if I could build one in less than a year, but I'd put my building skills , and the quality of my work, with anyone's.

Bill, Relax, why torture yourself arguing over an ARF when it is obvious that you prefer scratch or kit built planes? I don't come over to your forums and rag about your preferences, chill out. I lke ARF's because I don't have the skill you have in building kits. Besides, with my eyesight I couldn't tell an ARF WACO from a kit built at 50 yards... I'll wait paiently for the ARf, sorry I upset anybody....Cliff

Not trying to argue the merits of one over the other. I just don't think that the ARF will have near the parts count that the original did. I think that you will agree that this is a factual statement. Very few (if any) ARF's use the same number of ribs or formers that as did the Kits.

Khodges, I was not demeaning your skills. I just don't see anyone being able to turn out these in the numbers that you suggest. I'm sure that you are as skilled as anyone. I'm sure that the whomever is going to build this ARF can build them more quickly than I, since I don't build 8 or 10 hours per day. Building on my time schedule, It does require about 8 months to get one ready to finish. I have built 4 of these now, and you would think that I would know exactly what to do. This is not the case, since each kit of these has it's own set of quirks. One kit will have a landing gear that won't co-operate, and the next one will have perfect gear, and a set of issues with the ribs, and the next may have formers that the cutting die shifted on. They are not perfect, but rather give you a place to start.

I was promised the first kit from Cox, but it looks as though the kit version is not to be. I saw the prototype, and it looks as though it will be a good flying model. I hope they don't stray too far from that prototype when the model is finally released. Good luck to both of you in getting your hands on one of these. You won't be disappointed. Sorry if I came across as being anti ARF.

Bill, AMA 4720

Bill, I think we've cleared the air pretty well. I haven't seen an ARF yet that has the structure that a BIY kit has, most are minimal as you state. I visited Proctor Enterprises recently and saw one of their bipes in the bones. Lots and lots of scale ribis and formers, no way Cox or any other manuf. could ARF that with that amount of detail and be able to set a price where it would sell. Love to get that WACO if it comes out before April 15th.......... Cliff

I just hope I get mine finished by April 15th.

Bill, AMA 4720

Bill, Leonardo didn't rush the Mona Lisa either.... Have two friends that build high static score airplanes in ScaleMasters, amazed at
patience to do the detail. Being a type "A" person, patience is not one of my virtues.... (if I have ANY). that's why ARF's.... Cliff

Wow! Since when is it okay to refer to the Chinease as "Chinks" in a forum full of folks from all over the world?

WOW!!! Montana??? Know where Havre Is? Reference to "CHINKS..." let it go.... some people are not "politicaly correct".
Just ignore them and they will go away. "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me" Don't play the game....... Unfortunately some people live in the past and can't move on... forgive their ignorance and put yourself above it.
Let's concentrate on RC flying....Cliff

I reckon I ought to apologize for the "ethnic slur" regarding the Chinese. No insult intended, just a moment of poor taste on my part. Political Correctness aside, it was just poor manners on my part. I don't really give a ........about political correctness. Too often that just muddles meaning and sidesteps what you really want to say. But I was raised better than that.

Mabe me and Mel Gibson should get together.

If anyone is interested in the latest, I just got this from COX.....

Can't wait !!!!!

Hi Paul,
Hopefully we will be able to ship the PICA 1/5th WACO the first or second week in November. Sorry for the delay. We will be contacting all of our customers when they come in.
Thank you for your inquiry,
Amonda Garcia
Cox Hobby Distributors

Hmm... That's pretty much the same canned response I've gotten from them THREE times in regards to the 50CC Pitts Model 12 that they were SUPPOSED to be coming out with over a year ago. []

Well, you know, I have 2 other ARF's that are barely started, so I am in no rush.

I think it will be well worth the wait.

Thought I'd give y'all a sneak preview of what the, "Real Thing", looks like.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

That's bloody brilliant,,, [8D]

Now would you build me one for $400 ???????




I know, in my dreams [sm=bananahead.gif]

Not Hardly...That's the reason that I said I don't think the parts count will be close to the same.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

Why is the parts count so important?

If the kit has an item that is made up of 2 parts, but when the manufacturer decided to make this as one piece, whats the big difference. Or are you refering to the ARF, having less formers, or less ribs and such like?

Remember I have never built a kit. I opened the box on one once