My wife wants me to get a Scale ARF Piper J-3 Cub. I have limited building experience, however my flying skills is in the intermediate range. What ARF kit is better for great quality, good hardware, scale looks, something I can put everything together the easiest without correcting factory defects... in about a 5 to 10 hour range.


What's better, Goldberg 40 Cub ARF Yellow .40-.61,76.5!QUOT!


http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHEM1&P=7



or... Great Planes Piper J-3 Cub 40 Fabric ARF .40-.46,81!QUOT!


http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLWH2&P=7


I've been eye balling the Graupner Piper Cub J-3 Model Airplane at hobby Lobby because the build looks super easy, I just don't like the Foam wheels.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pipercubj3.htm


I read the reviews and one review I don't trust. He gave the Goldberg a 10 rating all the way... hmmm something smells fishy. The Great Planes review was in the very good range, and there was no review for the Great Planes.


So please, anyone who has built any of these planes... I could sure use your opinions. My wife wants me to get the J-3, because I soloed in a 1947 J-3 Cub in 1983. I have nothing but good things to say about the plane and my wife feels I should get the R/C Version , so I can fill that void a little bit. I'm sure you "full size pilots" can understand.


Thank You,


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

What about the new H9 Cub. Cheif Aircrafts website says it can be put together in an hour. No glue either. Thats a little hard to believe. Horizons website doesn't say this, but this is suppose to be the PNP ready to fly Cub but, just the plane. It is also a two-piece wing. I had their previous Cub a few yrs ago and it was very nice. Can't go wrong with a H9. Have owned several.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4000

Please post a picture of any of your wife's sisters, along with contact info!

I have the Great Planes J3 & I cut the cowl on a hanger 9 Cub. The Great Planes Cub is fabric covered is a very good flyer, has a 1 piece wing so transporting it is more difficult than the Hanger 9 Cub with its 2 piece wing. The landing gear on GP's Cub isn't scale at all. I'm putting Robart landing gear on mine. The Hanger Cub has more scale like landing gear & looks like a very nice Cub. The only thing that struck me on the Hanger 9 Cub is the N numbers are on the left upper wing instead of the right. I haven't seen Goldbergs Cub so i can't comment on it.

Hanger 9 is more scale like... and it goes together real nice? Thanks guy's I'll look into it, and the price is very nice. I heard alot of good things about Hanger9, but it was mostly about the warbirds.


Couldn't that be a factory goof up? []


Thanks,


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

I'm really looking into the Plug-n-Play Cub that Hanger 9 has at Tower Hobbies. My wife and I both agreed this J-3 Cub seems to be the best. I guess it will take me a half hour at the field to assemble everything, but hey that's part of the fun.

On those Plug-n-Play planes, what are they? Isn't it the same to the RTF ? Just charge the Batteries, Ballance the Plane and Prop and go?

I'm not sure what a Plug-n-play really is, so please teach me.


Thanks, man that is a nice plane.


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

The Goldberg Cubs are really good planes. We have had several at the field and they fly great and are durable. I haven't heard any bad comments about them.

Rod

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I'm more of a sport/aerobatics/fun fly flyer than a scale enthusiast. I built a couple Goldberg Cubs from kits and flew them for a few years. I like hot rodding them. Yeah, I know, all of the scale purists just wretched...<G>

The Goldberg Cub has strip ailerons, which are my preference, though not scale-like at all. I like strips better because of less chance of flutter. This model does amazingly well in informal club fun fly events, if powered with a large engine. While I really like the full sized J-3, the last thing that I want to fly as a model is one that flies like the real J-3. YMMV

I want my Hanger 9 to fly like the full size one. I tell you that 40 Horsepower Engine was perfect. Every time I went to flare on the landing, she wanted to keep flying. Her Stall was about 40mph, and I did everything on the Grass and dirt, She was slow and very forgiving. One of the Best planes designed was the J-3 Cub.

Anyone who has flown them will tell you the same thing. One thing I always got a kick out of... was that Cork & Wire Gas Gauge in front of the Canopy. A simple design that worked well, and sometimes I wish we could go back to that simplicity.


Now anyone out there can tell me about what is Plug-n-play mean for Hanger 9? What does it in tale?




Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

I have a Hanger 9 cub arf with a os 46 fx and it flys very well. I liked this one bacause of the landing gear and the two piece wings. The struts need to be on the plane when flying because the wing can fold if they are not used. This plane also comes with the most visable inside pieces painted yellow to match the plane and the front windshield also has the edges painted to match. Plus this plane comes with a fiberglass cowl with the fake engines molded in and its a very nice looking piece. The struts are installed one the wing and you dont need to take them all the way off they just stay on the wing. Then when you get to the field you slide the wing on the wing tube and install two nylon bolts thru the opening on the top of the fuse then there are to small bolts on each side that hold the struts to the fuse and to finish you install four screws to hold the fuse top hatch in place. By the way the hatch comes with a little plastic window that makes it easy to see how much fuel is left in the tank. I put a plywood plate on mine to hold a pilot figure and with th 46 i ended up using a 1/2 ounce of lead on the tail to balance so if you decide to go with a four stroke it may be close to perfect. Check the parts out for it the cowl is like $13.99 and some others are near $20.00 and are plain. It's a sweet plane.

I also kit built the Great Planes Piper 40 but i made the clipped wing version and installed a os 70 four stroke. This plane is a lot sportier to fly but to me it is no where near as good looking as the Hanger 9 cub.

Hi i forgot to ad that the Hanger 9 also has the tail wires and bolt on elevator halves if you need to take them off to get it in your car. It has nice cub wheels and tires. If the pilot could turn to look at you when it goes by it would be perfect.

But i'm sure you will be very pleased with any of the cubs mentioned here. Good Luck

I think it is very cool that your wife WANTS you to buy an airplane, that's all. I read good things about The World Models ARFs. They have lots of cubs to offer.
http://www.airborne-models.com/Index.asp

PLUG n PLAY is almost the complete system..Plane, servos and engine. Here is hanger 9's description.

Rod

Thank You: dan4466, ghost-RCU, Artisan, Plum Crazy and heli_Rod. You have all given me insight and because of it I'll be getting the Plug-N-Play Hanger 9 J-3 Cub. I might add a plywood tray and pilot. Plum Crazy, can you post a pic so I can see how you did it? Plus I can see what pilot you used? The plane comes with a Evolution® .46NT engine, what do you suggest for a FS to balance her perfectly? I'm planing on getting the Great Planes Balance Machine so I can make sure she's right on the recommended CG. I think it's a must have for all R/C Pilots.


N7OR, my wife is very protective of her family and she reads some of these posts here. I was cool with it, but she's more on the mature side of things if you know what I mean. I feel that you could have worded it a little better that's all.

The Post was removed, and the Apology is excepted. Personally I'm very good at pissing someone off everywhere I go. I have to keep my political, family history, religion all out of everything I write here and just talk about airplanes.

I wasn't put on Moderators Watch for handing out flowers and being a good little boy. The German/Irish side of me loves a good fight, but I hate paying for it. I learn so much here and most of you are good people... and I don't want to ever loose my privileges here.

Plus if my Club members read any of my Posts, I don't want them mad at me... I've just recently earned my acceptance there if you know what I mean. I'm one of the youngest members there and I'm 40!



Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

the world models cub is very nice, flies great and looks very nice in the bigger sizes, plus they do have alot of different sizes for you to choose from, and it goes together real easy.

I wonder if Hanger 9 and Horizon fixed that broken rudder problem with the shipping. Also, I want to know why some are saying the stock landing gear isn't so good. I also am wondering if they fixed the fuel vent tube problem? I was reading it's hard to remove it from the muffler for fueling.


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

I have arf version and when i installed the engine i also installed a quick filler valve so i dont need to take off the cowl or try to get to the fuel lines. You could get the quick fueler and install it and a fuel filter separate. here's the one i used but i'm sure that horizon sells something like it. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXK135&P=0

Please explain how you managed that!

Thanks Plums, I saved it in my favorites so I can order it later. I'm sure I can install it in a Plug-n-play. I'm going to order my plane on the phone so I can ask them to look in the box to make sure there is no damage to the rudder before they send it. I'm going to do all I can not to play "Post Office Tag" with them so to speak... if you know what I mean.


Listen, anyone who has IPAC Aerofly Pro Deluxe Sim 8.0 or 9.0 and is interested in Beta Testing a J-3 Cub in comparison to the flight characteristics to the Hanger 9 Cub, Please PM me and I can send it to anyone through E-mail to anyone who is interested.






I gave it a O.S. 46ts in it for power and sound. It fly's very close to scale. It's a little hard to loop from a straight and level flight at full power, but not impossible with a 46ts. I could put a 40ts in the plane, it would make it more scale like. If anyone has the Hanger 9 Cub and has my sim, please contact me... I need testers before I upload the plane for others to enjoy. I added a R/C Universe advertisement on the tail just for kicks.

Someone else did the modeling for the original Aerofly version. I exported it to work for the newer Simulator. If anyone has the new addon pack, I'll send you a TMD file so it will work on the updated APD Simulator.


It's called love my friend. I'm fully supportive to what she does and vice versa. Been married for over 5 years, and still going strong so far. My wife has always been around airplanes... One uncle flew for the Luftwaffe in WWII, and she has a living Uncle who flew in Vietnam and Desert Storm. He was shot down by small arms fire, and was a POW in Desert Storm. When he ejected he got busted up really bad, plus he was tortured a bit as well from what he told me.

When my wife married me she got wind from my family that I used to fly, and I used to buzz my parents house when I had my Solo Permit many years ago. When she heard that, I think she thought it was cool. She won't fly with me today... she thinks I'm crazy. She stated if I ever got a Ultralight that she wants me to get Life Insurance. I don't know if she's smart... or evil, maybe a little of both. lol She enjoys watching our Club fly, she gets with the other Ladies while us boys play with our airplanes. lol


Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY

you might want to try the dave patrick models it is an arf a little more must be put together but more realistic i have a 1/4 scale piper super cub with a gemini 1.60 twin cylender four stroke awesome plane it is from sig was built from a kit about 15 years ago id say fabric covered original a little weary though but it look realistic i might add a landing light to it so i know which way its heading

Thanks CRAZYRYAN, I like the Hanger 9 version. I think it's very realistic to most of the ARF's out there and you can't beat the price for the quality. The last ARF that I trashed was a CMP Focke Wulf, I'm kind of disgusted because I could have bought something with better hardware and quality for the price I paid for that Warbird. I want to have Scale planes without the hassels of factory defects or having to build something that would take me a week to get flying. I'm willing to pay for good quality and lack of put together so I can be at the field in no time. With the Plug-n-play, I just add a reciever, pray that my rudder is OK without damage....charge the batteries, add the fuel dot, hook up the Servo's, get a prop, buy a realistic prop nut, Ballance Plane and Prop, add a few realistic details and go flying.

I like that, that's what a ARF should be. JMO



Peter Dowling aka Luftwaffe Oberst
AMA District II # 56404
Aero Modelers Club
Pulaski, NY