whatwheel

COMING BACK AFTER A LOT OF YEARS I THINK I HAVE A PLAN.

#1 HOBBICO HOBBISTAR 60 MK III WITH FS.91 SURPASS.

#2 SIG 4 STAR 60 WITH 91 SURPASS.

#3 I WOULD LIKE TO TRY SOME SLOW BIPES.

IS THE 91 ENOUGH FOR A 76 INCH CUNNINGHAM LAZY ACE? AND WOULD IT BE TO
MUCH FOR A 58 INCH TIGER MOTH WITH 980 INCH AREA FROM AN OLD RCM PLAN?

INTERMEDIATE FLYER. GOOD BUILDER.
A REPLY ON ALL OR PART WOULD BE GREAT.




SPARKY

TPierce

#1&2 Sound good.
Go with the .91 FS for the trainer and 4*. Get on the buddy box with an instructor and youll be fine. Im not a bipe guy so I cant really help you there.
good luck,
Trent

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do you really want to put that much power into a trainer?

TPierce

That engine will be perfect. You can put a .72 on a .40 size and the .91 will be fine for the .60 size

BlenderBender

I have a 91 on my 4* 60 and love it

John

JohnBuckner

My Feedback: (1)

You got yourself a great plan there and don,t be shy about getting help from a mentor. I,ve tested a number of new Lazy Aces for folks with everything from a K&B .61 to a G-26 gasser and they all were ladys. The .91 would probably be OK for the Tiger Moth but can,t say for sure. The only real problem would be if the engine weight caused an CG problem and that I doubt.

John

whatwheel

BOY THAT WAS QUICK!! YOURS IS THE FIRST REPLY I HAVE HAD , MAKES MY DAY.
I STILL DO NOT UNDER STAND A LOT ABOUT THESE FORUMS,HOPE YOU GET MY REPLY.

THANKS,
SPARKY

whatwheel

GEE I DONT KNOW TOWER LIST IT AT TOP OF ENGINE SIZE, COULD BE TYPO FROM
TOWER, IT IS A LARGE TRAINER AND I HAD NO PROBLEMS LEARNING ON A 60 INCH HEADMASTER 40 WITH A 60 ON IT 20 YR. AGO.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO END UP WITH AN ENGINE I CAN USE DOWN THE LINE ON MY FIRST LOW WING AND BIPE.BUT YOU MAY HAVE A GOOD POINT THINK A 70 4 CYCLE WOULD BE BETTER?
I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP,THAT IS HOW I LEARN.

THANKS,
SPARKY.

whatwheel

THANKS TRENT, SOUNDS GOOD, I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWORD TO FLY AGAIN,
BOY!! HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED.


SPARKY.

whatwheel

THANKS, JOHN.




SPARKY.

whatwheel

THANKS JOHN, I AM GOING TO TRY TO LOCATE MORE INFO ON THE TIGER MOUTH.


SPARKY.

Wayne Miller

Hi Sparky,

I returned to the hobby late last year after about 30 years. I have found many things have change, for an example, the .45 2 strokes now have the power of the old .60's, the new computer radios will do such things as automatically applying rudder in aileron turns and storing information for the different models you fly and much more.

One thing that helped me get the "feel" of the sticks again, and help with orientation was the Realflight G2 flight simulator. This is a program that runs on your computer and allows you to use the supplied transmitter simulator, or use your own transmitter. You may want to ask around and see if someone will show you what it is like. Its great to practice on.

I got a little confused with the new "lingo" and short forms and put together a list of the terms with definitions. Do a search on "acronyms" and you'll find the post - the latest information is always at the end of the post. To go to the end of any post, look for an arrow that points right in the description of the post and click on it.

One word of caution, most people interpret words that are capitalized in a post as shouting - you may want to turn them off. Also, they are harder to read smoothly.

Glad to have you back! Hope you enjoy the hobby as much as I.

Fly4Fun,

Wayne Miller

Live Wire

Glenn before some one comes unscrewed , your caps lock is on!!!!!
And don't worry thing have not changed that much in 20yrs, 4st's are better now all you have to do is go by the instructions. 50s & 70s take place of 40 2c and 91 take the plave of 60s look like you have a handle on it.
Larry

whatwheel

Oops, I thought things were going to good to be true, sure hope i dont have anyone
upset with me,Iwill do better next time,Thanks for the tip on the uppercase letters,
and for your reply it was good to hear from you Wayne.

Thanks again. Wayne.



Sparky.

whatwheel

Yes..... I just found out from another member, thanks.And thanks for the tips,Larry.


Sure hope i can fly better than i type.


Sparky.

Stripes

My Feedback: (19)

Glen, what you don't say is how good you got 20 years ago. I know you said intermediate but what does that mean. If you never escaped the trainer phase then you need to keep your costs low now because of the inevitable crashes (yes plural). That expensive engine you are planning on is more fragile than a good 2 stroke at half the cost. Hopefully, a good instructor can minimize the damage while he is there but sooner or later you will want to fly alone and it will crash. I would counsel the more expensive equipment for later when you are sure you are not likely to plant them. As to radio, however, skip all the lesser equipment and get a good 9 channel. They cost a bit more but you won't need to replace it.

I was out for over ten years and found I could get my "sticks" back using the G2 simulator. Although a hot flier years ago I had several bad crashes that first year back. (and one just recently due to a downwind takeoff. . .a lesson a seem fated to relearn periodically) What I noticed was that judgment became an issue. Hard to judge the landing approach and hard to judge how far away the plane was. . . when not to takeoff downwind. . .

whatwheel

Hi stripes,
Thanks for the reply,you have given me something to think about.
As for flying skills you ar right , what does intermediate mean?
My first kit was a top flite headmaster sport 40,with a 60 on it,
60 inch span,do not know area,semi-symmetrical high wing about
7lbs. very little dihedral,flew and landed like it was on a wire.
I could not learn on a trainer box with the instructor telling me
to go up when the plane was going down,daa.So i went out with a non
flying friend took off into a south wind made a few rounds then landed.
Did this a few days then one day the wind was out of the north,took
off to the north landed from the south,it felt real werid but i did ok.

Next was something like a sig kougar 60 size low wing,did not fly this long
enough to get real comfortable with it.You are right,that was about 20 yrs.
ago.Ijust do not like 40 size flat bottom wing floaters.
Again you are right about the high buck engine and plane,i will look for a
less expensive setup. thanks again.

sparky

Live Wire

Glenn
Look at Magnum 4st before you change your mind, I love mine. And look at the fuel used.
Just think we built our old radios , man what a change you will enjoy the new ones , they are great. Still have to watch the batteries , what a change there!

Wayne Miller

Hi Sparky,

After reading your last post, I'm wondering if you may want to try something like an Ugly Stik, yup, they are still around. The have a semi-symetrical wing, fly slow enough for a beginner, but still acrobatic enough as you get more comfortable and great as a second or back up plane.

Hope this helps.

Wayne Miller

whatwheel

Thanks Larry, i will look into that,boy sometimes i think i analyze things to death.
When i was younger i just did something and did not plan ahead, i am trying to
get the engine sizes now that will carry me to my goal , 4 stroke slow flying
biplanes, scale or sport scale,90 size ,65 to 75 inch range?
Thanks again.
sparky.

grizzydog

I think your plan is a great one. You will have a great motor for later too! I have had my times with which engine on what plane. I like power thou. I put a 80 satio on a midwest starduster, works great, wished I would have went with the 90 all thou it might have prop clearence trouble. I then built a 60 size Top Flight p47 which I thought a os 60 with a pump would work. (not) It overheated because it just didn't have the power. I went radical and put a 180 satio four stroke on and opps. Might be such a thing as to much, left the ground in about 2 ft. Didn't seem to want to fly unless it was climbing to the moon! Had enough speed to buzz the whole airplane to destruction. Had to buy a sig arf 1/4 scale extra 300 to settle that motor down. (darn) I finally bought a 120 satio and its the most perfect motor for the p47. I can't tell you how impressed I am with its idle and transion of throttle, its user friendly on fuel unlike the 180 too. But the 180 does make good use of the fuel, 28 oz a flight but it has power. Gas might be the answer to a 1/4 scale but haven't tried one. Just thought I would share what worked for me.[/size]

whatwheel

You know Wayne......I never thought about the ugly stick,and it comes several different sizes
now right? When they first came out a lot of flyers ,[good ones...hotdogs]
to me anyway,were flying them at fun flys and at that time i thought they
were to much for my skills.
Maybe i should take another look.
Thanks.


sparky

whatwheel

Hey grizzydog, glad you like my engine choice, i thought the 90 would fit in something
like a lazy ace at a later date, much laaaater.
Thanks for the help.
sparky

Wayne Miller

Hi Sparky,

Your right, the Ugly Stiks do come in different sizes and the new ARFs seem to be built stronger and lighter than the old ones - they will get you into the air quickly. In my opinion, it would be an excellent choice if you have had flying time in the past. They have good low speed characteristics and will stunt as you progress.

You may want to consider asking around your club and see if anyone has one and ask for some "stick time" on a buddy box, someone may even have one for sale - they are very popular.

Also you may want to check www.spadtothebone.com they have free plans to make some up out of coroplast (plastic sign material used in elections etc.). The SPAD's (Simple Plastic Aiplane Design) are very tough, but a little heavy.

If you want to get an ARF, check the following links:

http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1220.html

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...675&pc=HAN1675

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...700&pc=HAN1700

There are more out there but I just did a quick search.

I've been using the 2 stroke GMS engines for my fun planes, they are very "tight" engines with a lot of power on 10% or 15% fuel (I always use castrol blend in my fuel) and the newer ones are easy to set up. Besides that, they are cheap!!!

Hope this helps.

Fly4Fun,

Wayne Miller

whatwheel

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To stripes and all members.

After looking back at my reply of 8/11/2004, 9:02:47 pm i realized that i have probably
offended a lot of people associated with this great hobby,this was not my intention,my
comment about trying to learn with the help of an instructor was a feeble try to say that
my concentration is so easy to break i did better by myself.
I am so ashamed , i apologise to all and will proof read all post from now on.
I have nothing but the best thoughts for the people who are willing to give there time to
help others learn to fly and reply to others as you did for me. thanks.



sparky