Opjose relax.. I just said I hate arguing on rcuniverse with people.. it's just not me haha I agree that both simulators are very accurate and serve there purpose, as well as any other top notch sim.... I just feel that fs one feels more like it feels at the field to ME.. everyone has an opinion

NOT an "opinion", just point of fact.

Realflight has the most accurate physics modeling to date.

As I said I have a LOT of the planes in FSOne, and they behave NOTHING like the real things.

The user created models available for G3/G4/G5 are far more accurate than the same planes in FSOne.

Choose a plane that you have in real life and fly in FSOne, and I can start to list where the modeling is wrong.

As I mentioned the closest is the Alpha, but the drag ratios are wrong as is the overall wing lift.


In real life I've often instructed new pilots on how to land the alpha by doing nothing more than killing the engine at a distance and holding the plane level until it touches down. FSOne bleeds off the airspeed too quickly ( but it is closer here than in any other model it has ) and doesn't handle the stall as it should. Tweaking the plane in the editor does not correct the improper nuances.

Compare that with the "user created" Alpha in G4 ( plane available on the swaps ) which gets the same right.

Ahem: in part due to the fact that I did the modeling myself..... to mimic the actual plane characteristics.

Alright.. see you like to argue on here with people. Sorry I told my opinion I'll go ahead and leave this thread now

You made a statement, I rebutted it with a bit more than just a non-substantive response.

Call it whatever you wish, but if someone tells novices to use pure kerosine in their nitro glow engines, I'd be all over them too.

Maybe I should explain my opinion this way. I'm a full size aircraft pilot and a R/C pilot. If I want to practice flying the full size aircraft the cheap way, I fly my Microsoft Flight Sim 9 or X. The flight files are a bit off but they have the right idea on how a aircraft acts and re-acts to the things in real life. The Flight file programs were written by NASA, I should know... I've made 2nd party addons for Microsofts Combat Flight Simulator 3 many times.

For Combat flight I fly IL2 because Microsoft quit on having a public server. And I like shooting down real people on the other end of the PC (If you know what I mean).

I have Aerofly Pro Deluxe and Real Flight G4.5. Both have their good points and bad. And from what I read, FS has some good and bad points as well. The flight models are off, but like the regular flight sims for the full size pilots so are they for the R/C Pilots.

All I'm saying is; why do I want a Full size Flight Sim mixed with my R/C Sim? And what flight files are they going to use? Full size planes don't exactly fly like the scale models and vice-versa. Just doesn't make sense to me that's why I call the new G.5 a game. It's only a opinion not to be taken personally.

I just read that Hanger 9 is coming out with another R/C Sim with multiplayer and improved modeling. I might buy and try. My Video Card struggles with my G.4. I have to keep my settings medium to low. To where as my IL2, FS9 and Aerofly I can crank up the settings and still run smooth.

I not only won't be buying the G5 because I feel it's aiming its fan base towards the gaming market, I won't be buying it because the 4.5 isn't very PC friendly as it should be.

Pete

I have run both Real flight 4.5 and FS One and to me there is no comparison when it comes to simulation. The planes in FS One are not even close to Real Flight when it comes to flight simulation. That's my opinion, but to me, if 100 people tried them side by side and saw what I saw, 100 people would agree with this assessment.

I have a new pc that I just built with a quad core processor and decent video card, plus plenty of memory. G4.5 runs great at full resolution, even with video playing in another window, and a browser and microsoft word, all simultaneously. For anyone like me, with decent hardware, they will enjoy the stunning detail and graphics of Real Flight 4.5 (and 5.0 if it's even better). Anything added to 4.5 - planes, fields, realism, multiplayer capability and combat mode - are all pluses to me so it's a no brainer, I'm ugrading to 5.0 for $79.

Luftwaffe I agree and if hangar 9 is making a new sim I will PREorder it... I love hangar 9 and all there products and I know it will be a top notch sim.. they just need to add aircraft

Just to add a little fuel this fire... [X(] Tower has noted that Real Flight is offering an "upgrade" option from 3.5 on up for $79.00. You get the DVD but no controller.

That's not a bad deal.

But, I won't debate what is good or bad as far as simulators is concerned because I have always said that they are a tool, but no substitution for the real thing.

CGr.

Do you know if my controller RF-3.5 will work with the upgrade? We had a butterfly day yesterday and got several flights in. Even had a cessna 180 land at our field. Grass 560ft long. Was able to lift off before the end of the runway which is surrounded by a cut down bean field.

Gene,
According to the info on Tower's site the upgrade will work with everything from RF3 and up. You use your existing controller with it.

I'm going to throw my 2 cents worth in here. I find it funny how people condemn the entire package because of new features in the software. Yes, they may have added combat, online flying with friends, and other features that some say make this more of a game.However, there is nothing that says you have to use them. The core feature of Realflight is still a flight simulator and can be used as such without having to mess with the other parts of the software. There have parts of Realflight 3 and 4 that Ihave never even clicked on, but Istill use the simulator.

I use the simulator for keeping muscle memory up on flying during times that I can't get to the field. It's a great tool for practing manuevers, as well as working things out on how to do something without having to burn fuel. I'm glad that with RF5 they finally realized that there are those of us out here that simply do not want to pay ANOTHER$200 to get the latest version. At XFCthis year Ivoiced this to some of the people from Knife Edge Software and told them Iwouldn't upgrade again if they required me to buy the full package. I'd like to think they listened to me as they are now offering an upgrade that only costs me $79. Now I'll gladly pay that!!!

Ken

I must agree, Ken. I have three.. count em.. three controllers for the Realflights I've bought only to get an upgrade. So, I was not going to get the newest one because of that, until now. I don't have a problem paying their asking price for the upgrade without the controller. None at all. I have three USB controllers as well as the older one that used the modified 9 pin serial port.

So, my order is going in to Tower this afternoon.

CGr.

Ken,
Yeah, that's the reason I stayed with G3.5...why upgrade if you need to buy everything all over again. Although, maybe at first they thought they'd pull a MicroSoft... I would gladly only pay $80 to upgrade, and I will. Honestly, though, people who are griping never sit back to think about software. You do the same for say, Windows. I upgraded from 2000 to XP; XP did the same stuff as 2000, but there were a lot of new things also that I complained about. In retrospect, after using some of those new things, I rather enjoyed them. Give them a try, you never know!!!

RealFlight is actually somewhat unique in today pc market. They have done a number of things for their customers that are way out of the ordinary.

They had produced AddOns with earlier versions. With later versions they re-labeled that kind of package as Expansion packs. They had to move with the industry graphic hardware with new versions, and the industry doesn't do "backward compatibility". So their newer versions couldn't support the AddOn content. They listened to their older customers and took note of their discontent. Over time they rewrote the old AddOn content to work with the new versions. The AddOns are now free downloads that work with the newer RF versions. It cost RealFlight to do that and they made no profits out of the effort. They aren't your typical pc software company.

It's not surprising at all that they chose to market an $80 upgrade that benefits every customer back to RF3 (when the industry changed up the graphics). And that $80 is Tower's price, which will wind up actually costing me $65 to include the sucker in my next order.

How do you manage that? I only have codes for $15 off $100 order? Just wondering if there's a deal I can take advantage of I'm not aware of. Probably ordering with other stuff, right? Thanks.

if you have a speedy internet connection you would be crazy to pass this Sim up.( and fairly modern computer would help)

Right.
Of course, then the discount, whatever it winds up being, will not really be the entire $15 off the RF upgrade price, but a percentage off each item. Jeez, what made me explain all that? whatever................

I like to apply that stretched logic to things I want. In fact when I buy a number of things in an order like that, I pretend the $15 off applies to each item. All I gotta do is forget about the other stuff when I'm thinking of the price of each item. Holy buckets, what made me admit that...........

Oh wait.......... I'm not having to pay shipping, and I won't burn the $10 worth of gas to the LHS and back, and no sales tax. Lordy, I figure that upgrade is only costing me $15. Or maybe less.............

so, in 25 posts there is a lot of slinging crap about it from people that haven't tried it yet.

Are there any users here that can compare it to 4.5 for us? I have 4.5 and love it, but if its not better, whats the point? Does it do anything to improve on reality or anything like that to make it worth buying or are they just selling the new features to get everyone to buy it.

lets hear from the guys that have used it and let us know how you feel about it.

I guess I did not state it very clearly... I have plenty of PC Flying games... I would have prefered if they made this "Combat" like RC Combat so I could practice clipping streamers.

As far as unique things go, don't forget the swap pages on the knifeedge software web site where you can go and download a TON of other aircraft and aircraft variants, different color schemes and new flying fields. I must've downloaded 100 extra aircraft to fly for my G3.5 version once I had it. Also, you can put in a request on the forums and if someone has time, they might design it and put the physics behind. Heck, there is also a developers kit there, I think, that you could even develope aircraft yourself, but it looks pretty time consuming.

Wish I knew what the url was and how to find the planes that are accurately modeled.

Sorry, I could have at least put the URL in for those that didn't know about it. You can always go to http://www.knifeedge.com and look for forums, then click on swap pages....but here is the link directly. I created an account there...not sure if you can download without creating one or not. Here's the link: [link=http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php]http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php[/link]

Thank you. Is there any way to sort of get an idea as to how accurate the model is, and what types of files are best? ie. file extension that's best, file size, number of downloads, etc.

If you take a look when you click on the aircraft link to view the aircraft, the people who downloaded the airplane and used it have the chance to rate it. They also have the most popular ones listed to the left, and these are generally the best ones. Every one that I have downloaded has been really good. For example, the HobbyZone SuperCub acts very much like my real one, esp. when you crank up the wind in the sim. Many of these one person does the design and they turn it over to another person to add the physics to it. As far as file formats, it depends on which version of RF you have. My G3.5 takes G3X files and that's it. I have the option to import KEX files also, but I haven't seen any of that type of file on the swap pages. All of the planes that I've downloaded and used are quite good and have not found any issues with them as far as just flying them goes. I haven't flown RC versions of most of them, so I don't know how realistic they are, but the ones that I've flown that I do have are pretty darn close to the real thing.

Great info, thanks!

Now another question. When I try and download Stearmans, they're rfx files, but when I import them, I get the message "could not be loaded. It is based on an aircraft you do not have."
How do I search for just those that are complete airplanes and not vairants? Do you know of a good PT-17 Stearman complete? Thanks.

Yeah, you have to watch out what you download. You want to click aircraft and not aircraft variants after you click you version of RF. They are labeled as such if you look closely. You downloaded a variant, which requires the base airplane to be imported and already in RF. Also, hopefully you clicked and are downloading the correct files for your version. From what I understand, G3.5 files and up work with G3.5 to G5, as G3X, but the rfx G4 and 5 files won't work with G3.5. Any file that has a EA after it is an aircraft...any file that has an AV after it is an aircraft variant. Incidentally, here is a Stearman bipe that is ranked 9 out of 10 for G3.5: http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/down...o=file&id=1255