Alright i have narrowed donw my choices down too 2 planes. The Dazzler And Super Sportster. I just don't know which one would be the best 2nd plane. The super sportster is a bottom wing with a thin wing so it will be faster. I just can decide. AHHHH. I need your opinions.

What kind of airplane are you looking for?

It all depends on what kind of flying you like.

The Dazzler is more of a FunFly. It flies slow, will fall apart at high speeds. They are a "bang the sticks around" type of airplane good for spins, flat spins, tumbles, and all that fun stuff. It's good for low and slow aerobatics...

The Super Sportster on the other hand is a fast airplane that isn't that great at slow speeds. It's a loop and roll with a spin here and there type of plane...It goes where you point it and does it in a smooth way.

Are you going to get the kit or the ARF? The Dazzler ARF is covered with some cheap "shelf-covering" while the Super Sportster is covered with Ultracote. The "shelf-paper" is hard to repair, hard to keep looking nice, and tends to fade. If you're going with the kits both are pretty good. The Dazzler is a much quicker build that can be throw together in a weekend or two. The Super Sportster will take some more time...

I've had two Dazzlers and loved them both...They get my vote.

Huh? Sportster too fast?

The Super Sportsters have a fat symmetrical wing. It is almost the same they used on their Trainer 40.

They will fly nice an slow. I had the .20 size for 16 years. It was my first non-trainer. One of my trainers was the GP Tainer 40.

Loved the plane. Built the SS Bipe and flew that for years. Now have built giant scale versions:

Giant SPortster: 89" wing G-62, 17 lbs.
Giant SS bipe: 66" wing, Q42, 15 lbs.

These are easy to fly planes. Due to their thick airfoil they have a wide speed range. They are responsive, but with small throws they are easy to fly. I actually trained one student on a SS .40.

The Dazzler is basically the same. It has a relatively thick symmetrical wing.

IMO the sportster looks much better Both would be fine.

Well I'm not doing kit because i don't have the patience and afraid that i will mess up. I kinda want a plane that will rolls flip dip you know that kinda stuff. But i don't want some cheap covering too. I love how the super sporster looks but if its just a plane that fly around and does nothing then well that sounds kinda boring. I'll ask my instructor.I'm almost thinking a profile plane like the one gold berg makes.Well I'm going to fly my trainer a little longer then will get some major thoughts. But I'm selling my trainer to my dad so i need the plane now so i can start building and then when i sell the trainer i still have a plane.

Get the one that has the best color scheme to you. If this is your second plane, they both will be an improvement to you.

Impulse, as you probably know, they're 2 different kind of planes, the super is a sport plane, while the dazzler is a fun fly sort of thing.

Since you're going for ARF versions, I say choose the Super Sportster.
The dazzler ARF is not a very good plane, has very weak structural problems and the covering... well there's a post on it allready.

P.S. I have both planes! Both in kit, and still building both of them...

Impulse,
I think you need to be honest with yourself about your abilities.

The Dazzler (or one of the profile planes) is probably capable of faster turns, rolls, loops, "twitchier" flight in general than the Sportster. But I'd guess that it's capable of much more than you are, or will be soon.

The Sportster is still plenty aerobatic, can probably do most of what the Dazzler can do, but more slowly, smoothly. It will also most likely fly ANY stunt you'll be capable of doing for the next year or so.

Again, be honest about your ability AND what you want. If you imagine youself doing violent, non-scale 3D manuevers, then get a fun-fly type plane. If you think you can take the time to learn to fly with precision and accuracy, then go with the Sportster.

Personally, I think you should learn to fly accurately first. It makes 3D flight more precise and much better looking. What most people don't realize is, the best 3D pilots learned to fly pattern type manuevers first, then "morphed" those manuevers into 3D. (3D started at the Tournament of Champions, which IS 75% pattern style aerobatics.)
Dennis-

Alright. I'm probably going to do this. I will get the super sporster for these reasons.

1. The price is a little high but and extra servo which the dazzler needs almost is the same price (dazzler takes 5 and super takes 4.)

2.The look is great. I like the wheel shoes and the canopy. i like how its a bottom wing too.

So i just have to decide too buy it on-line or at the hobby shop. O and how much would shipping charges be from tower hobbies for a TX,plane,engine and accessories. Total price is about $450

In my opinion tower's s/h charges are nothing, the lowest ground shipping is $5 and I receive the ordered items in 2 days. Allways.

Their club membership of $15 is great, since it doesnt charge for the s/h on orders above $150,

Plus they have a $15 off coupon which you can apply to orders more than $150, How about this.

make an order for $150 buy the membership for $15 and apply $15 off coupon. free s/h, then make an order for +150 apply coupon and $135 no s/h repaet this for the remaining $150

You will end up paying only $420 including s/h and membersip, no tax, fast shipment. Also note hat they add an extra servo for free with Futaba radio's that might work for you.

I do that very often as long as I can make $150 I love $15 off coupon. You can understand form the reply that I am also a fatwallet.com member. buy everything with copouns.

I couldn't find any LHS that can match Tower on prices, if they do tax is killing. I only buy fuel from LHS since Tower's cheapper (FEDEX) charges $20 fee for fuels.

the dazzler is more aimed tward experianced pilots.

Thx for you opinions everyone. Im going to get the super sportster hopefully soon.

i think you will want something better soon so i say buy the super then get a tower uproar kit and build that there only like $30..............then you will have a dazzler like plane for when you want it.............i've only been flying fo three months and can do flat spins hovers (for 5 seconds) and some other 3d stuff but i really like patten i can fly the sportsman very wel and can also fly the intermediate i will be flying my first compition at the end of next month.

Impulse,
Good advice from Cobra regarding Tower & shipping. (Use the $30 you saved to take Raptor's advice and buy an Uproar. )

Leave the wheel 'pants' off (shoes was close though) if you fly from grass. Trust me, the wheel pants will absolutely ruin your day!

With my first Sportster, my first landing (extremely smooth by the way), on a grass field, put one wheel pant right up through the wing. There was a hole from the bottom to the top of the wing. Funny thing is, the landing gear was right back where it belonged. If the hole didn't line up so perfectly, I wouldn't have known where it came from.

I thought it must have been a fluke, so I put packing tape on the wing and flew it again. Next landing was at least as gentle as the first. You guessed it, right through the bottom of the wing on the other side!

Now, I couldn't move the gear more than a half inch or so by hand (I was afraid of ripping the wing apart if I pushed any harder), so the forces of the wheel pants catching in the grass must be extreme.

I removed the pants and never had another problem. (Except I had to apply patches to the wings of my nice new Sportster.)
Dennis-

you have only been flying 3 months and you age getting a quest!!? if you have a bit more power and have much bigger control surfaces, you will be able to hover indefinatly. my thrust/weight ratio is 130%, so i can rocket out of hovers now. you need about 115% in order for you not to loose altitude when you correct for unwanted gyrations. when you only have prop wash going over your control surfaces, a lot of deflection is not the answer. you ned bigger control surfaces. while they may have the same effect, at lower speeds, larger control surfaces with less deflection will have more effect than smaller control surfaces with masive deflection. The reason is that a lot of deflection at low speeds causes so much turbulance over an already almost usless surface, that you will just stall. A larger control surface will generate the same amount of pressure, but you don't need as much deflection. With your quest, you may be able to hover, but you will not have large enough control surfaces to allow you to keep hovering there. ailerons have no effect when you are in a hover.

The uproar sounds like a good idea. But i want the super sportster because i really want to get my pattern flying down then starting doing tricks with it.

pattern flying is a sequance of tricks........you could get the super then build the uproar while flying the super then just flop back and forth