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Bought the sim, bought and builtfrom the list of the recommended trainers, found a club/instructor.... 3 rd lap around = lawn dart. Ouch !!!!!That was a costly trial run. Some dont have it what it takes. Me. </p> |
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Where was your instructor, bad thing to happen on first flight[:@] Don't give up it takes time and a lot of practice. Can the plane be rebuilt or is it a total loss.
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Instructor was standing next to me.
Powerplant, coms and assorted small parts seem salvedgeable. Alot of time and soft costs. building that sucker |
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That isn't your fault at all, that was crap for an instructor!!You were supposed to be hooked up to a buddy box. When I instruct I let my students know in advance not to worry, there is nothing they can do to crash the plane as long as I have them flying high enough to give me time to sve it. That isn't very high at all. To date I have never lost a trainer to a student while I had him on the box. All I have to do is release the trainer switch and I have complete control of the plane. It happens so fast there isn't any lag time.
As an instructor I have my own buddy box and cord. If the student wants to use his trainer instead of mine I just install my RX into his plane. It's a no brainer!! If the instructor didn't have a buddy box to use then he isn't an instructor. We haven't used the hand off and pass the TX in years. Last time I did that I think I was wearing a bow tie and high button shoes. No one has what it takes when they just begin, it's not a you problem. My students can't crash my plane, I won't let them!!!! I'm the person in charge!! Not the student!!:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: AugerDawger Bought the sim, bought and built from the list of the recommended trainers, found a club/instructor.... 3 rd lap around = lawn dart. Ouch !!!!! That was a costly trial run. Some dont have it what it takes. Me. </p> |
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I agree with GB, You never had a chance in the first place. I also instruct but make sure the student has a chance to learn to fly.
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He is a good man..... not his fault.... mine...I knewthe option to do or not do without the buddy box.
The whole time I was headed out to the line I was telling myself ...I am not going to do this w/out the BB but when it was at altitude and trimmed and he asked...Ijust took it. It is not like RealFlight....which I am pretty proficient at flying in a realistic manner. That plane was flat moving out.....I didnt expect the high wing trainer to be so fast. I was pretty good till the downwind leg and the 15 mph increase instantly toward me. |
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Just 2 seasons ago when I first started I could tell a big couple of differences between the SIM and the real thing.
1. No nerves when flying on the SIM. Only a "reset button" away from starting over again. 2. SIM flight seems a lot more slow than the real deal. Combine the 2 it makes it pretty intimidating to fly. Add to that the other flyers that are standing around watching you...made me even more nervous. My thumbs literally shook for the first couple of months. Even after I had my first solo. Now, after 2 complete seasons under my belt, I am flying much more confidently and the nervous thumbs have gone away. I dont even own a trainer any longer and flying almost everything in my hangar these days. Small electrics up to a gas cub! Even flying CP helis too! Since you declined the buddy box. I'll go ahead and agree with you that it was your fault. Thing is to not get discouraged and get it fixed and back at it. Just like riding a horse. Dont quit after the first time you fall off or you will never get back on. goodluck |
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Get yourself a buddy box and an instructor used to teaching with a buddy box. The instructor should be able to save your model from all your worst efforts UNTIL you start on take offs and landings. Even then he should save your plane most times.
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ORIGINAL: ATVAlliance Since you declined the buddy box. I'll go ahead and agree with you that it was your fault. Thing is to not get discouraged and get it fixed and back at it. Just like riding a horse. Dont quit after the first time you fall off or you will never get back on. goodluck I actually was saying to myself..."When is the Buddy Box coming in to play".....but i knew better to fly without and guess got caught up in the excitement of seeing something I made fly and really wanting to do it Yeah I am super intimidated at this point no doubt. |
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Just wondering, what plane was it?
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Great Planes PT-60 kit
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You know Dawg, I'm still going to blame your instructor NOT you.
You are new to this, you shouldn't have to bring up the use of a buddy box. That's his job and he gets an F. The instructor should take every new pilot as knowing absolutely nothing until proven wrong. He set you up for failure. Do not become discouraged because of this. Learn from it and move forward! Just my thoughts. |
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First flight in a 15 mph wind?
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ORIGINAL: bogbeagle First flight in a 15 mph wind? This time of the year you fly in 10-15 or dont fly was what I was told. |
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ORIGINAL: pdm52956 Do not become discouraged because of this. Learn from it and move forward! Just my thoughts. It is a longer drive for me....but Icould never show my face at this other field again ! I will be at least a month or so out from having another plane completed. More CA on those fingers |
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Oh don't let a little crash make you feel embarrassed at the field. I guarantee that if you show up the club meeting and ask for a show of hands for people who have totaled out an airframe, 3/4 of them will admit to it. The first "walk of shame" is a rite of passage in this hobby and nothing to be embarrassed about. If I were you, I'd look around at the local classifieds (Craigslist is great as is RCU) and find another trainer, then get a DIFFERENT instructor who doesn't let the newbie make the critical decisions and go learn to fly. While you're learning, choose your second plane and be building it.
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ORIGINAL: jester_s1 Oh don't let a little crash make you feel embarrassed at the field. I guarantee that if you show up the club meeting and ask for a show of hands for people who have totaled out an airframe, Its not the crashing. Its crashing within 5 minutes of the plane being in the airfor its and my first flightand the entire senior cadre of the club standing theredisapprovinglywondering *** I was doing flying while I stand there looking stupid with theRXin my hand. A man must know where he falls within the order of things. I want to build and am so far pretty good from the old cats initial air worthiness cirtique ofmy airframe at the field.Just wasnt looking tonecessarly start over within days of finishing and paying for the first one !!! |
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I agree it was the instructors fault. Flying in the wind is something you need to learn but not on your first time up. The first time up the plane should be so slow you should be able to run faster than its going. Start with circles and then figure 8's. Dont be embarrased about wrecking. Almost everyone has wrecked and if you havnt you have not learned to push yourself and have fun flying.
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I am suprised your instructor did that. LAst summer I began flying and he always brings up my plane and let me fly, never any danger of crashing. Then after a few flights we started landings, This was hard since the control has to be tight, I of course flipped the plane on the third landing and had to fix the tail. The benifit to this was I learned about repair the structure and recovering so I gained something from the crash. Most of the senior guys on the field were very encourging and I turned it into a joke. I still haven't soloed yet but I am fine with that since I want to get good skills set and be better when I finally solo. Don't let it get you down and always take something from your mistakes, this will make you a better flyer and club member.</p> |
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ORIGINAL: AugerDawger ORIGINAL: ATVAlliance Since you declined the buddy box. I'll go ahead and agree with you that it was your fault. Thing is to not get discouraged and get it fixed and back at it. Just like riding a horse. Dont quit after the first time you fall off or you will never get back on. goodluck I actually was saying to myself..."When is the Buddy Box coming in to play".....but i knew better to fly without and guess got caught up in the excitement of seeing something I made fly and really wanting to do it Yeah I am super intimidated at this point no doubt. Now that you know your mistake...just ask to be buddy boxed till you get used to flying the "real thing". And as far as being too embarrassed to go back to the same club. Dont let that get to ya. Even experienced pilots drive them into the ground and everyone laughs it off. I take it as laughing together rather than "AT" someone elses misfortune. I dont know the guys in your club...but Im sure they have seen much worse. And really...the only time to laugh at something like that is when its an experienced pilot dorking one in. Its to be expected with someone brand new. Anyway...hang in there. You will be flying solo with great confidence soon! Goodluck |
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Hey Auger. Terrible thing to have happen! You have nothing to be ashamed about. Your instructor should have had a BB. You stated that you are good with the sim, then you will be good with the real thing. Give it time. Get another plane, and carry on. This sport / hobby really is a blast.
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Get a GWS slowstick or something foam. Built up airplanesare relatively hard to repair and damage easy.I started on a parkzonestryker, excellent trainer and tough as nails. A bottle of gorrila glue willkeep you up and running. Get some normal servos and a few sets of gears.
Personally I would never recommend a built upglow plane these days for a trainer.Its old school sure, but there are much more forgiving options from many different facets. A GWS slowstick is not ailerons, but can be up and running less than $100 even if you upgrade to brushless. |
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I agree with everyone here, your instructor should have never hand you the transmitter. His job on the first flight was to trim the plane and test its airworthyness then land and inspect the plane for any anomalies. The next flight is on a buddy box or no next flight...no options. As for being embarrassed, don't be...during my training, my wings decided to separate during flight turning the fuselage into a missile. My instructor nervously laughed as we walked out to retrieve the scraps while the peanut gallery made their comments about the spectacular impact. Upon inspection of the wings, turned out I didn't use enough epoxy to join them...lesson learned. New trainer and 1 month later, I'm back in training, solo'ed a couple of weeks later to the applause of the same peanut gallery. Hang in there and get back on the horse in front of the same crowd, just insist on the buddy box until you are completely comfortable with all phases of flight including the mandatory landing.
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The seniors of the club viewed it not as the inevitable crash.................but a *** are you doing flying moment. Many the type of Southern men I would work to someday gain the respect and wisdom of. That plane was clipping along at a very quick pace in an out of control fashion and in a banked base leg turn the thought of the appropriate time and manner in which to hand off and say I am out of my lane with this ....was crossing my mind. I really fly in a controlled, scale manner on the sim and bigscreen tv....nothing like the real thing in my 3 min of experience. I have looked at every trainer option and really dont want an ARF.....the USA Balsa stik could work....but I like that 70 inch wing size. Maybe another PT-60 and three more rolls of Solartek.......</p> |
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If you are worried about your first 5 minutes i got you bet in my first minute of flight i crashed it right in front of everyone including my wife. never crash in front of wife when you are a newly wed. as far as not in front of your club if your club is a good one they should have instructors who are real instructors that know how to use the BB and would not let you fly without it. By the way i started flying in 87 i lost an airplane just 2 months ago to a dam Hawk mid air crash both where lost. och by the way i have 3 trainers on hand to remind me of the basics and you will learn to fly dont get upset about flying and crashing it happens to all. it will specially happen win you take it as you know everything. as far as your teacher not instuctor fire him hethe instructoris incharge not you and your club should make him pay for your plane. if i was instructing you that wouldnt have happened ever.
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what size prop/engine were you useing? if you were useing a 60 i would recommend a 13x4, if a .75 a 14x4 and a .90 a 15x4. the key for trainers is slow flight, gives you plenty of time to react. i am guessing you had aa 12x6 or something similar which causes the plane to haul....not good when starting out. drop your prop size and keep the throttle low....should be much closer to realflight
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Tower Hobbies and all the other dealers will be real happy to hear about your crash. :)
I'd be finding me a new instructor...He should have never let you fly below 2 mistakes high...why didn't he take over? |
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ORIGINAL: jimmyjames213 drop your prop size and keep the throttle low....should be much closer to realflight It wasan OS.60 and 13".....that plane was flat getting it on. I was told not to touch the throttle or the rudder and do pattern laps......I have done a million controlled ones on the sim with everykind of plane...eh pretty decent......but the real deal was screaming hair on fire...wow As he flew it around I was thinking the bands would pop at any minute. |
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ORIGINAL: bigdanusa Tower Hobbies and all the other dealers will be real happy to hear about your crash. :) I'd be finding me a new instructor...He should have never let you fly below 2 mistakes high...why didn't he take over? I dont come from a culture where we over talk our ability or set false expectations.......but I guess he thought I was 10-4. |
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ORIGINAL: Gray Beard That isn't your fault at all, that was crap for an instructor!!You were supposed to be hooked up to a buddy box. When I instruct I let my students know in advance not to worry, there is nothing they can do to crash the plane as long as I have them flying high enough to give me time to sve it. That isn't very high at all. To date I have never lost a trainer to a student while I had him on the box. All I have to do is release the trainer switch and I have complete control of the plane. It happens so fast there isn't any lag time. As an instructor I have my own buddy box and cord. If the student wants to use his trainer instead of mine I just install my RX into his plane. It's a no brainer!! If the instructor didn't have a buddy box to use then he isn't an instructor. We haven't used the hand off and pass the TX in years. Last time I did that I think I was wearing a bow tie and high button shoes. No one has what it takes when they just begin, it's not a you problem. My students can't crash my plane, I won't let them!!!! I'm the person in charge!! Not the student!!:eek: I knew I was ready to solo when one day I had an engine out with him about 10 feet away. I yelled to have him take it and he yelled "NO! - You do it." I did and it stopped at my feet - no more instructor needed. |
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What transmitter are you using? I might have a spare BB I can send you, so you have your own. I also have a NIB PT-60 kit that I'd let you buy cheap.
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When I learned to fly this year, I didn't have a BB, but my instructors were used to training without it. My first crash was also less then a month from soloing, that was horrible. The worst part was bringing it to my uncle, who had been flying and building for over 30 years. He looked at it and said "Even I can't fix that"! I knew at that point I did a good job crashing. But I was able to pick up from that and move on. His other greatest quote was "You show me someone who hasn't crashed and I'll show you someone who hasn't flown". I once saw one person crash 3 planes in one day, talk about bad luck. I guess what I'm saying is don't give up!!!
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ORIGINAL: JH313 I once saw one person crash 3 planes in one day, talk about bad luck. |
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Realflight isn't that much different.... Exept when you are learning 3d. RF 3Ders seem to be able to hover way to easily.... unless my planes fly like crap.
anyways, when I learned to fly, The 72 mgh futaba transmitter would not release control to a second transmitter connected via BB, so I learned with the "pass the transmitter" techniqe. I must be a natural or something, because the only time I have truly "crashed" my trainer ( a sweet stick 40 no less) was after my solo.... an not much was broken, for it was moving pretty slow. back on topic: while a BB is a good idea, it is not truly neccesary. your instructer should have grabbed the trannsmitter when you fist showed signs of trouble. That would have kept the plane from crashing. |
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I agree with what the others have already said. Find the trainer on Real Flight and edit it, add some weight to the wing and fuselage so it weighs about 7 lbs. It will be a little more realistic.
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If it was the speed of the airplane that contributed to the crash then my suggestion would be to get a hobby king bixler powered glider for $60 there are lots of tips on how to strengthen it on youtube learn how to fly this while you build another nitro trainer use an instructor range check your radio send it in for repair if needed don't get discouraged.
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ORIGINAL: gmeyer-RCU If it was the speed of the airplane that contributed to the crash then my suggestion would be to get a hobby king bixler powered glider Found it......if i can use my 6ex......and fly at a unoccupied park / lands ? No threat of kamikazee-ing the club regulars ka ching That slow scale flight appeals to me.....I fancy and gravitate towardshigh wing, cabinedairframes |
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When you use your simulator, try it with some wind. I use the Realflight sim and I find it is a very good tool to learn to fly planes and helicopters.
Keep in mind that there is always some wind you have to deal with. 15 mph is a lot for a trainer, even for a 60 size. Not the best conditions for your first flight. A buddy box helps a lot and is the only way to prevent a crash if you make a mistake. There is no time to hand over the tx when you are in trouble, things happen to fast. I don't think anybody at that field will look down on you for crashing. That happens to everybody, not just beginners... If someone would walk around on our field, you'll find enough parts to build a few planes :eek: That is part of the hobby. Get a new plane and try again - with little wind and a buddy box. |
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I understand and am fine with the crash aspect......I knew what happened was wrong. In retrospect and with the next "instructor" I will not say a flip about flight and that I bought my plane on craigslist and roll with it i will bail on my gut like I should of last week</p> |
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